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[Glaive-]

zagibu, on 07 December 2014 - 06:31 PM, said:

Their dynamic visual geometry system isn't very flexible. The hardpoints are fixed, no matter what you put there, so they can't do a centered, larger gun, when it's possible to mount 2 or more there. The gun will be attached to one of the two fixed points, so you can't really give it the required diameter.
I guess it would get too complex if there were additional hardpoints for when you only mount a certain number of guns.

But you can't even mount more than one AC/20 in each arm anyway, so they absolutely could have centered the cannons.


Anyway, I agree with most of the people in this thread. The AC/20s look much too small, especially next to the huge, hulking size of the King Crab. I don't understand why they couldn't have at least made the outer radius of the barrels thicker, or given them an armored sleeve like the old PPC barrels on the CPLT-K2.

I see where Sean Lang is coming from with the "shooting cars" thing, but aesthetics don't always need to be sacrificed for "realism".

Edited by armyunit, 07 December 2014 - 06:45 PM.

[BlackBeltJones]

Like playing Counter-Strike, I always used the MP5 when I was CT because the CT MP5 is so much smaller than the T one.
Oh wait...

[Tennex]

armyunit, on 07 December 2014 - 06:44 PM, said:

But you can't even mount more than one AC/20 in each arm anyway, so they absolutely could have centered the cannons.


Anyway, I agree with most of the people in this thread. The AC/20s look much too small, especially next to the huge, hulking size of the King Crab. I don't understand why they couldn't have at least made the outer radius of the barrels thicker, or given them an armored sleeve like the old PPC barrels on the CPLT-K2.

I see where Sean Lang is coming from with the "shooting cars" thing, but aesthetics don't always need to be sacrificed for "realism".

yeah either way no cars would fit through tthat thing. And its really hard to say how big these rounds are in the universe. I'd say go with the closest thing we have; concept art

Alex hasnt steered us wrong yet

[Glaive-]

Tennex, on 07 December 2014 - 06:50 PM, said:

yeah either way no cars would fit through tthat thing. And its really hard to say how big these rounds are in the universe. I'd say go with the closest thing we have; concept art

Alex hasnt steered us wrong yet

Fully agree.

It would be a dream come true if there was a Mechwarrior game that had mechs that looked exactly like Alex's concept art.

[Bill Lumbar]

Jin Ma, on 07 December 2014 - 03:56 PM, said:

If the AC20 is that small will the AC5 look like MGs

I am not concerned with how the AC/20's look...or the AC/5's, or the MG's.... I want to see 4 ultra AC/5's in that baby!

Edited by Bill Lumbar, 07 December 2014 - 09:31 PM.

[Naduk]

They need to stop scaling weapons at all
Its stupid that an AC20 takes the entire side torso of a hunchback, when a centurion can take it arm mounted and its no bigger than a AC5

Its equally stupid that a gauss rifle does not fit into the AC20 hump and needs its barrel poking out when it will fit just nicely on a raven

Its completely spastic that a ppc is a behemoth of a weapon a k2 or awesome, takes up the whole arm of a Orion but will is no bigger than a small laser on a jenner or blackjack

Its bloody stupid
A raven is 35 tons
This is what happens when a 35ton mech wants to field 15tons in 1 gun
http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Hollander

[D34DMetal]

Sean Lang, on 07 December 2014 - 02:48 PM, said:

It's not shooting out cars people. The scale is actually correct, just visually it will look smaller compared to the rest of the mech. It's also behind the covers until you fire and then they are covered again, so again not a big issue.

Oh, because you speak for everyone? I think it is an issue, especially considering the lack of a fix for the scale of the AC20 on the CN9-AH, which was supposedly being fixed (except it hasn't actually been fixed). I still don't understand how crap like this makes it through QA prior to release.

[Tarogato]

I agree, it looks tiny. Maybe it is physically the same size of an Atlas' AC20, but the perspective throws it off and it just don't look fearsome.

Naduk, on 07 December 2014 - 09:29 PM, said:

...completely spastic that a ppc is a behemoth of a weapon on a k2 or awesome, takes up the whole arm of an Orion... but is no bigger than a small laser on a jenner or blackjack

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This is what happens when a 35ton mech wants to field 15tons in 1 gun http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Hollander

This. All the way.

I was also hoping there would be a firing delay if you left the claws closed, so you'd have to make tactical designs as to whether you leave them closed or open depending on the situation you're in, similar to the splatcats in the old days.

Edited by Tarogato, 07 December 2014 - 09:44 PM.

[Sean Lang]

It's not the size of my AC/20 gun tube... it's how I use it that matters! AC/20 CRIT-SEEKING-GOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Reitrix]

Agent 0 Fortune, on 07 December 2014 - 03:12 PM, said:

Just so I understand, you are saying the gun that encompasses the entire shoulder of my Hunchback is designed to the same scale as the King Crab AC20.

The entire shoulder of the Hunchback is filled with the reinforcement that a 50 ton 'Mech needs to handle an AC20 firing on its upper shoulder.
The Centurion gets away with it because the actuators provide the recoil suppression that the Hunch of the Hunchback provides, the lower arm also provides the reinforcement required to handle the weight of the gun.

Thats my take on it anyways.

[MonkeyCheese]

Another vote for it being bigger and in the middle, it takes up all the slots there is ZERO point to having that other hardpoint spot with the X on it there. Other smaller weapons sure but not the AC20.

[The Wakelord]

MonkeyCheese, on 07 December 2014 - 11:15 PM, said:

Another vote for it being bigger and in the middle, it takes up all the slots there is ZERO point to having that other hardpoint spot with the X on it there. Other smaller weapons sure but not the AC20.

The point is from a 3D modelling side of things. If they can't fix the cat-a1, they can't fix this

[Jin Ma]

Naduk, on 07 December 2014 - 09:29 PM, said:

They need to stop scaling weapons at all
Its stupid that an AC20 takes the entire side torso of a hunchback, when a centurion can take it arm mounted and its no bigger than a AC5

Its equally stupid that a gauss rifle does not fit into the AC20 hump and needs its barrel poking out when it will fit just nicely on a raven

Its completely spastic that a ppc is a behemoth of a weapon a k2 or awesome, takes up the whole arm of a Orion but will is no bigger than a small laser on a jenner or blackjack

Its bloody stupid
A raven is 35 tons
This is what happens when a 35ton mech wants to field 15tons in 1 gun
http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Hollander

they just need to look at their rules for the customized weapons overall.

The thing is alex doesn't do the weapon customization visuals. He just does the mech concepts. And a modeler is responsible for swapping weapons. This is the reason why a lot of times the mech ends up not looking like the concept. For example, the blackjack. Which was concepted to have a lot more than a simple tube for its barrel





Lets remind ourselves that the actual mech looks great. Its the customized portion that is lacking:




Poor fella got neutered. I don't see why they don't just superimpose the oldAC20 arm mesh on the new stump when an AC20 is equipt


There has to be some sort of quality control

The Wakelord, on 08 December 2014 - 02:16 AM, said:

The point is from a 3D modelling side of things. If they can't fix the cat-a1, they can't fix this

so much this. If theres a concept, the modlers shoudl really try their best to match it. At least try to look like an effort was made

Edited by Jin Ma, 08 December 2014 - 04:32 AM.

[John80sk]

+1

The tiny AC20's need to go. The Cent/Blackjack's AC20 makes me sad... and yes, weapons as a whole need their scaling looked at.

[Walluh]

I'd rather have no dynamic weapon models than see them get neutered like the Centurion's arm.

[Fustercluck]

e: Redundant post in hindsight. Never mind.

Edited by Fustercluck, 08 December 2014 - 04:27 AM.

[Kodiak Jorgensson]

if the Ac20s are any larger the mechs going suffer form mist lynx arm syndrome, thanks to weapon standardization the mist lynx suffers easy arm destruction where as other no doubt the king crab with its already massive arms will suffer the same issue.

[Tennex]

Kodiak Jorgensson, on 08 December 2014 - 04:33 AM, said:

if the Ac20s are any larger the mechs going suffer form mist lynx arm syndrome, thanks to weapon standardization the mist lynx suffers easy arm destruction where as other no doubt the king crab with its already massive arms will suffer the same issue.

All weapons will be tiny! And the AC5/AC10/AC2 will be the exact same size while we'r at it, to prevent hitbox issues.

Lol in all seriousness i don't think customized mesh have hitboxes. That would mean 10x the work for them to create these hitboxes for every single switchout and i doubt they went through that.

[Joseph Mallan]

Sean Lang, on 07 December 2014 - 02:57 PM, said:

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haha nice one!

Or a Sad one that his wife considers his to be... visually unimpressive.

Not all AC20s are big bore cannons. Thus the Art MAY be accurate to the fluff's caliber.

However we seem to have lost something from the King Crab's arsenal.

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The firepower of these weapons is enough to destroy a medium 'Mech in one salvo.

Edited by Joseph Mallan, 08 December 2014 - 04:42 AM.

[Walluh]

Kodiak Jorgensson, on 08 December 2014 - 04:33 AM, said:

if the Ac20s are any larger the mechs going suffer form mist lynx arm syndrome, thanks to weapon standardization the mist lynx suffers easy arm destruction where as other no doubt the king crab with its already massive arms will suffer the same issue.

Still going to be housed in the same claws that don't need to be any larger, and again..10% damage reduction, 86 armor.