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[Silversynch]

Alright, so I have seen some hatred, some rage, and some suggestions involving Clan Lights and the scouting meta.

"Adder is terrible!"

"WTF is with the Kit Fox"

"Buff Myst Lynx and I'll play it"

You wanna know why you die like a Locust when you try scouting?

WELL GUESS WHAT: CLAN LIGHTS ARE NOT SCOUTS.

Surprise! It's Clan Mediums that fit that bill! The Ice Ferret especially.

So what are Clan lights suppose to be? Well, they're suppose to be support.

Yes, if you want those C-Bills rollin' in on your Myst Lynx, you better play it like a teeny tiny Catapult.
When playing as a Clan Light, keep close to Brawling mechs. Never get into a position where the enemy will target you. Always attack from the sidelines and NEVER SPEED INTO A BATTLE. Speed is your escape method.

Alright, I'm done here. Think of your Adder differently from now on.

[SaltBeef]

Clan Lights are Escorts
The Myst Lynx was supposed to infiltrate enemy lines and attack the rear supply lines and HQ. A Headhunter design. No Place for it yet in game unless your a really ,really, talented light pilot. Works in conjunction with the Dasher to hunt enemy reconnaissance teams , place artillary TAG, Attack rear armor. The Dasher was often killed by Rasalhag units in column while trying to attack the rear armor of a mech only to get cut down by a medium hundreds of yards behind. Kit fox definately a escort mech.

I agree the Adders. Minus the Adder A. The A model is just mean , 2 to 4 kills a match if I do not derptard. 500 damage at least. It is a streak Srm monster with BAP at 107kph. Stay near your forces weave in and out of the perimeter occasionally pick a freindly to escort swap escorts every once and a while it is good for killing squirrels rapidly. firestarters, Commandos, spiders Most mediums it can kill including shawks and Cents. The other models not as good.

Edited by SaltBeef, 07 December 2014 - 01:55 PM.

[FETTY WAP]

I love the Myst Lynx.

[Deathlike]

I wrote a thread about it a while ago.

I drew the conclusion that it wasn't good for anything that something else could do better. Even the awful Raven-2X BEFORE the engine cap increase was a better Light mech escort than the Mist Lynx.

They barely succeed at scouting... if anything, they barely excel at anything of consequence.

The Lolcust is most useful. That's all I have to say.

[Ultimax]

Aside from being completely wrong and not understanding why "not being a scout" and being "mini-fire support" is about as irrelevant a role as you could imagine - you have on the other hand come up with an excellent moniker.



We hereby dub thee, "The Mist Stynx".


Now go, and join your brothers: The Crap Fox and The BAdder.

Edited by Ultimatum X, 07 December 2014 - 02:07 PM.

[Keira RAVEN McKenna]

Comparing anything IS to Clan is pointless as there are SOOOO many differences and with faction war you wont have the option of filling the gap in a clan team with a raven or locust.

If you want a scout take the Ferret, if you want a spotter with tag and some electronics to fill a drop load, take the Kitfox or Lynx. If you want ECM cover take the Hellbringer. If you need ERPPCs and are light on drop loads, take the Adder.

Clan lights in Faction wars will become gap fillers. The clans dont really have or need true scouts, they work better moving enmasse.

Edited by Keira RAVEN McKenna, 07 December 2014 - 02:04 PM.

[Deathlike]

Ultimatum X, on 07 December 2014 - 02:02 PM, said:

Aside from being completely wrong and not understanding why "not being a scout" and being "mini-fire support" is about as irrelevant a role as you could imagine - you have on the other hand come up with an excellent moniker.



We hereby dub thee, "The Mist Stynx".

Not to spoil the party... but that was used back then. It's holding up.

Keira RAVEN McKenna, on 07 December 2014 - 02:03 PM, said:

Comparing anything IS to Clan is pointless as there are SOOOO many differences and with faction war you wont have the option of filling the gap in a clan team with a raven or locust.

If you want a scout take the Ferret, if you want a spotter with tag and some electronics to fill a drop load, take the Kitfox or Lynx. If you want ECM cover take the Hellbringer. If you need ERPPCs and are light on drop loads, take the Adder.

Clan lights in Faction wars will become gap fillers. The clans dont really have or need true scouts, they work better moving enmasse.

The Ferret is closer to a fatter Cicada that doesn't have ECM. Even then, the current set of omnipods are pretty weak on it. I've gotten it to work, although the builds have no imagination or variety due to inherent arm loss that I had to work against.

Besides, using a 45 tonner to scout when it comes to tonnage consumption is "waste" when you compare it to the IS... heck, even the Stormcrow can do the Kitfox's job, and then some.

[Lefty Lucy]

"Support" is not really a viable role. If a mech needs to be shot at last to be good, that means it's not good.

[QuantumButler]

"Support" AKA "Useless drag on the team"

[Brody319]

when I tried to make this kind of topic when we just had the adder and kit fox, people were like "hur, my ***** adder n fox ain't no pathetic escport. i'm a big braler!"

[Deathlike]

Brody319, on 07 December 2014 - 02:24 PM, said:

when I tried to make this kind of topic when we just had the adder and kit fox, people were like "hur, my ***** adder n fox ain't no pathetic escport. i'm a big braler!"

Um, no?

The first reason referenced is using a Stormcrow since they have the same speed, thus firepower becomes the determining factor.

If tonnage and/or weight classes are a factor, then the Kitfox is better than the Adder generally due to ECM and JJs.

While noone will argue against the fact that the Adder has the most firepower of the Clan Lights, you still have "Medium level speed" while running "Light level armor". This means you really can't show yourself until the opportunity arises. Even the Shadowhawk can reasonably take some hits. The Adder or Kitfox don't quite have the same luxury.

[Silversynch]

"Support is not a viable role"

Tell that to the Blackjack. I see those things so often. Their purpose? Support. You can't run out into battle in one.

Support also makes Brawlers viable. Without the firepower to finish off their opponent, they might as well be left behind.

[Mcgral18]

Silversynch, on 07 December 2014 - 03:08 PM, said:

"Support is not a viable role"

Tell that to the Blackjack. I see those things so often. Their purpose? Support. You can't run out into battle in one.

Support also makes Brawlers viable. Without the firepower to finish off their opponent, they might as well be left behind.

BJs can kill things. They can kill fresh things.

That's because they can mount guns. Guns are needed to support things.

[Brody319]

Mcgral18, on 07 December 2014 - 03:16 PM, said:

BJs can kill things. They can kill fresh things.

That's because they can mount guns. Guns are needed to support things.

yea I mean that 6 UAC 5 direwolf is pretty good for support since it has a lot of guns.

[Aresye]

The Mist Stynx has a role.

It's serves the role of being a really tall Elemental very well. And it does Elemental like damage too!

[Kodiak Jorgensson]

I don't pilot lights often especially my clan lights and when I did I didn't use them as a scout, that being said my opinion on the clan lights is they are simply too big and too slow, their armour and firepower doesn't compensate for their psychical size and low speed they simply too easy to hit they really need to be rescaled to at least Jenner proportions to even make them be a considerable choice over other more popular chassis

I.S lights on the other hand have a decent balance, good proportions, ok armour, good hit boxes, good firepower and amazing speed. not to forget there high speeds allow them to take advantage of the hit reg issues in game giving them a sort of lag shield. there small size contributes largely to their survival as its harder to hit something circle strafing you at 150+ KPH with hit reg issues

scaling Adder and Kit Fox to jenner proportion in my opinion would be a good first step to balancing them out. as for the mist lynx they needs smaller weapon pods to help keep its arms intact.

[Mcgral18]

Brody319, on 07 December 2014 - 03:30 PM, said:

yea I mean that 6 UAC 5 direwolf is pretty good for support since it has a lot of guns.

It's certainly not a false statement. It's not hard to track a light. Remove a leg, bam, instant support.


Supporting by using two lasers and a Jesus Box? Well, Cute Fox does that better. With 3 lasers. And a Cannon.



All the Lynx does better is jump, which the Spider 5V does better. Albeit, the Lynx can mount more usable weapons than the 5V. It wins there...maybe.

[Vassago Rain]

>it's an escort light.

What does it escort? Heavies and mediums that move almost as fast and are better in every way? Is it escorting c-bills and XP to my account when I kill it?

[NovaFury]

The only thing a slow light mech is doing around heavies and assaults is getting hung up on their legs and catching stray AC20 rounds while pretending it's doing something important.

I could escort things in my FS9A, but I don't, because it's insane.

[Bigbacon]

you don't even have to compare it to IS mech to see it sucks.

its slow. mediums and heavies can keep up with you.

its under gunned.

it excel at nothing at all. I'd take the fox or adder any day.

Sure, once you compare it to IS, its even worse.

Needs more speed. even like a 135 would be nice. it should be faster than the Ice ferret at least.