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[Vanderwild]

When I was desiring to buy my third Shadow hawk I looked at stats of the remaining 3 (wasn't getting a Hero). The 5m was awesome - two of each, ballistics, energy, and missiles. It was soooo expensive but I put in the time and bought it.

But it turned out to have
1 ballistic
1 energy
2 missles

WHAT????? What a waste of time. It's just okay compared to the others. How can they show stats that are different that the mech's true stats?

If your confused, go to the store and put your mouse over the 5m - the slide-out is what I used to determine how many hard points it had.

Why is this mech so expensive? - it has one one of the worst hard point configs.

Just checking I find that other mech slide-outs have the same mistakes. What is this?

Edited by Wild Vanderskill, 11 December 2014 - 08:42 AM.

[N a p e s]

ummm what? the 5M definitely has two of each...

It doesn't come equiped with all the hardpoints full though and thats up to you to fill (or not)

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Edited by Napes339, 11 December 2014 - 08:43 AM.

[Revis Volek]

Come with XL engine as well?

[Lily from animove]

The price of a mech is the sum of its base chassis + components.

if you use your standard SHD and upgrade to endo + DHS, you are at over 6 millions, now add the same Xl engine that the 5M has and you have a similar huge price. even more since you paid for a non XL engine that you throw away or sell for a fraction of the price you bought.

what sucks about IS mechs is the superexpensive engines. Especially when you wan to go only a few ratings higher you gonna have to buy an etirely fully new engine.

Edited by Lily from animove, 11 December 2014 - 08:46 AM.

[Reverendk]

Proponents of the high elo lifestyle know that low drag means a high speed but subscribers to the HELDCGGC livejournal will also remember that slow is smooth and smooth is fast.

With this mantra in mind I often find that it is beneficial to slow down and take a long hard sensual look at every aspect of a mech I'm planning on buying to make sure that when I discover the actual hardpoints listed are not the hardpoints I perceive that it is actually an error and not a mistake on my part.


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K.R
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[Myke Pantera]

Ähm, i run the 5M with two AC/5s so it definitely has 2 ballistic hardpoints (HP) in the LT additionally to the 2 energy HP in the RA and 1 missile HP in RT and HD each.

The price is high because of the XL engine, endo steel and double heatsinks (like others have said already), but it's totally worth it.

So what was your issue again?

Lily from animove, on 11 December 2014 - 08:45 AM, said:

what sucks about IS mechs is the superexpensive engines. Especially when you wan to go only a few ratings higher you gonna have to buy an etirely fully new engine.

This is actually the one big thing that goes for IS mechs (compared to clan).
1) We don't have to buy the expensive XL engine for every #### variant we buy (unlike clan).
2) We can tweak around with the XL engines quite a bit, which gives us some freedom in how we wanna build our mechs. I gladly pay for that freedom. Clans have omnipods, we have omniengines.

On the negative side:
1) We buy some STD engines we don't use (not all of them are useless but quite a few, and depending on what mechs you play. Many Heavies and Assaults rely on STD, even some medium mechs do)
2) We need to swap around or have multiple versions at our disposal.

Edited by Myke Pantera, 11 December 2014 - 09:04 AM.

[Barantor]

5M checklist....

Xl engine? Check
Double Heatsinks? Check
Endosteel? Check
Modern Weapons (uac5, ssrm2)? Check

There is your price increase. It is the variant that got all the star league updates that were recovered in the helm memory core. The FWL did this to a lot of the "M" variant mechs and sold some of them to the other houses, but kept a lot of them for their own units.

[Lily from animove]

Myke Pantera, on 11 December 2014 - 08:54 AM, said:

Ähm, i run the 5M with two AC/5s so it definitely has 2 ballistic hardpoints (HP) in the LT additionally to the 2 energy HP in the RA and 1 missile HP in RT and HD each.

The price is high because of the XL engine, endo steel and double heatsinks (like others have said already), but it's totally worth it.

So what was your issue again?



This is actually the one big thing that goes for IS mechs (compared to clan).
1) We don't have to buy the expensive XL engine for every #### variant we buy (unlike clan).
2) We can tweak around with the XL engines quite a bit, which gives us some freedom in how we wanna build our mechs. I gladly pay for that freedom. Clans have omnipods, we have omniengines.

On the negative side:
1) We buy stupid STD engines we don't use (not all of them are useless but quite a few, and depending on what mechs you play. Many Heavies and Assaults rely on STD, even some medium mechs do)
2) We need to swap around or have multiple versions at our disposal.

For newbies who hardly earn a few bucks, IS mechs and trying to elrn the ropes by experimenting are a horrible money grave by this feature.

It may have been better to upgrade/downgrade engines fr a smaller fee as well. So rating +5 for some c-bills.

IS emchs are fun experimens for the rich litle boys,

Edited by Lily from animove, 11 December 2014 - 09:06 AM.

[Yosharian]

Oh dear....

[Myke Pantera]

Lily from animove, on 11 December 2014 - 09:05 AM, said:

For newbies who hardly earn a few bucks, IS mechs and trying to elrn the ropes by experimenting are a horrible money grave by this feature.

It may have been better to upgrade/downgrade engines fr a smaller fee as well. So rating +5 for some c-bills.

IS emchs are fun experimens for the rich litle boys,

Still better than fixed engines that you have to buy with every variant and can't swap around don't you think?

But yeah i agree that the economy isn't very noob friendly, if that's what you are trying to say. IS mechs are still easier to manage financially than clan mechs though. After all i only need one XL295 to be able to elite 3 Firestarters properly. But like always, the more choices you have, the more errors you can make, so choosing the engine wisely is key to get a grip of your finances in this game.

[Lily from animove]

Myke Pantera, on 11 December 2014 - 09:11 AM, said:

Still better than fixed engines that you have to buy with every variant and can't swap around don't you think?

But yeah i agree that the economy isn't very noob friendly, if that's what you are trying to say. IS mechs are still easier to manage financially than clan mechs though. After all i only need one XL295 to be able to elite 3 Firestarters properly. But like always, the more choices you have, the more errors you can make, so choosing the engine wisely is key to get a grip of your finances in this game.

actually, you still buy fixed engines with IS as well, you do of yourse just not pay as much as a clanner sicne they have always XL's. but in the end you 100% use exactly the engine you paid for. So you never spend "dead" money.

[The Boz]

IS can buy a mech that comes with an entine, then dump the engine for pretty much no profit, and buy a better suited one.
Clan mechs can't upgrade or downgrade their engine, but they never have to, and don't lose money on exchange.

Yet another thing that Clans have *different*, but clanners insist are *weaker*.

[Vanderwild]

Thanks for the replies - I'll take a second look at my mech when I get home. Perhaps I had 1 weapon in the first point and so it registered only 1 point available. Not sure, but I do appreciate the feedback.