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[Master Pain]

I was playing cw, the other team rushed lights. I was chasing a firestarter with my 3erLL shadow hawk. He was running in a straight line, and i fired my 3 erll 7 times each into his back. that was 189 points of damage i fired from fairly close range. none of his rear armor was breached. I feel like i have fairly good aim. with the amount of damage i thought i should have done i could have killed 2 or 3 firestarters. Is laser hit reg that bad, or are firestarter hit boxes that broken?

[Disapirro]

Yes, Tom, **** and Harry say so.

[Monkey Lover]

Seeing you're using a laser on his back most likely covering the whole back how can it have broke hitboxes? Are you saying the back to a firestarter has no hitbox? Wouldnt you guess it has more to do with hitreg in general than a firestarter?

Edited by Monkey Lover, 14 December 2014 - 06:34 PM.

[Mainhunter]

Happened 2 times today to me. Last was a nova i shot my mpulse at his ct with no colour showing up, instead both legs were hit, ok I thought, lets ty it again and again the ct stayed unharmed, at least you couldn see any color, it looked factory fresh.

Finally, as most novas do, they overheat, he did it twice were I could carefully aim.... it took at last 5 alphas a 32 dmg to kill him true ct. May I had a packet loss or something.

[CheeseThief]

I blasted a Madcat with some medium lasers and got nothing until the git decided to stop and having a staring content with my Vindicator, despite having about 5 goes.

Then I turned around and beaned a speeding Raven with PPC's at 400m+ repeatedly.


Hit Reg is as Hit Reg does.

[LordKnightFandragon]

It might be lag so bad our lasers are literally being side stepped.

Just now in the CW fight I was chasing a Spider, a CDA, a FS and despite firing right at it, my lasers always seemed to not be hitting...instead hitting beside it...it was derpy.

[Andi Nagasia]

hit reg is very bad at the moment, i cant play Cw as my FPS drops to 5 in CW,
i get 35 in all outside games, but cw = 5FPS for me,

[Rakshasa]

It's probably the hitreg. Spiders used to have a similar level of resilience back in the day until PGI had a look at the issue and tweaked their hitboxes. They'll probably get around to looking at the Firestarter too eventually

[3rdworld]

Hit reg has seemed bad lately.

[Zoid]

Yeah, it's pretty terrible right now. Firestarters are running in and out of entire teams with barely a scratch.

It does make running a streak boat SCR really fun though. Little Firestarter thinks he's going to just dance in and out but then SURPRISE ************!!

Edited by Zoid, 14 December 2014 - 08:33 PM.

[Karamarka]

Hit registration is awful right now, like most times.

Think of it like this. The game is based on server side hit registration, so if u have 100 ping you have to lead your lasers by 100 ping + the base game has bad hit registration /hitboxes + wonky HSR. If it was client side, if the lasers hits on your screen - it does damage, no questions asked (that's why hacks are easier tho)

The game is international yet they chose server side hit registration, i could understand this choice if everyone had less than 75ping to a local regional server. (Battlefield series uses client side for instance EVEN with less than 75 ping)

look at this, 21/24 people have over 125 ping and suffer cause of server side hit reg. The only good thing about server side is that it reduces the amount of hacks. They had to make HSR to try and fix hit reg, thats how bad it is.

Edited by Karamarka, 14 December 2014 - 09:30 PM.

[Master Pain]

I just failed to kill i firestarter with no rear armor left on any of his rear torso and all 3 torso internals cherry red. I alpha fired all 3 erll with 100% beam duration on his rear torso areas and he didnt die. This is F****** ridiculous.

[MrMadguy]

Yeah. Just recently on Forest Colony map, when only 2 mechs on each side left - me in Timberwolf and other Warhawk (both damaged, but not critically) against Firestarter and critically damaged (no front armor on CT and STs at all) Victor. And guess what? Warhawk killed Victor, but then... Firestarter killed both of us. Because damage is not registering on Spiders and Firestarters at all.

And just now. I was fighting with Firestarter on my DWF-Prime in almost stock variant - 4xCERLL + 2xCUAC5 + some other weps. Firestarter was cycling just in front of me - ie. at extremely close distance. And I was turning right at his speed and alphaing all my weps right into his face. You may think, that you just can't miss target, that is so close to you. Even if you would just randomly push some buttons, at least something should hit him. Yeah. But not in Firestarters case! What I saw - is beams of my 4xCERLLs melting his face. But... Guess what? Yeah. No red crosshair! And then he ran from me and used jumpjets to jump to the top of hill. And while running from me, he was moving strait. I alphaed right into his back and...of cause no damage registered.

I just got sick of this. Ping is not excuse, because MWO - is online game and therefore devs should design it with average ping in mind. And average ping of 90% players - is 100+. They just should not use "running stick" hitboxes on targets, that are running with 100500kph speed.

I officially state, that I'm not going to pay a cent to PGI, till this official cheat won't be removed from this game - via limiting max speed (cuz game engine just can't handle such a speeds) or via adjustment of hitboxes (no matter, if hitboxes won't match mechs' geometry - but they should be big enough to be hittable). Or via both. Clan lights are just fine. IS lights have to be fixed.

P.S. And keep your "L2P, noob". Cuz this is what I call "Paladin syndrome". When some class is overpowered, unbalanced and cheating, then players, who play it are always suddenly becoming soooooo skilled and other players are all suddenly becoming handless noobs. Yeah.

Edited by MrMadguy, 15 December 2014 - 01:47 AM.

[SteelKiller]

Had the same issue the other day with a Firestarter. I watched a teammate pump 3 x 2xGauss into one that was making a really poor attempt to maneuver on our same ledge in Veridian. In fact I think the Firestarter pilot realized he wasn't getting damaged and just stopped, continuing to fire on my teammate. When I saw what was happening, I moved up to fire streaks, which connected. He seemed surprised and started panicking to get off the ledge. Fortunately I was able to finish him off as he went over the side.

[Walluh]

..Firestarters have always had awfully broken hitboxes. I thought this was common knowledge?

[aniviron]

Hit reg is fine in the regular drops, but it's abysmal in CW. Lasers, autocannons, SRMs, pretty much anything except guided missiles is a crapshoot whether you hit or not.

It seems to start out alright, and get worse the longer the match takes. Had a 12v1 against an FS9 on open ground tonight- he was the last one left, and it took 12 clan mechs almost 30 seconds of continuous fire to take him down in open terrain with no cover. I know I was firing dead on with my lasers in a Stormcrow, looked like everyone else's aim was fine too. Wasn't even getting hit markers most of the time when tracking perfectly.

Edited by aniviron, 15 December 2014 - 02:21 AM.

[Daelen Rottiger]

Experienced this as well a cpl of times now - seems to have come in with the CW patch

aniviron, on 15 December 2014 - 02:20 AM, said:

Hit reg is fine in the regular drops, but it's abysmal in CW. Lasers, autocannons, SRMs, pretty much anything except guided missiles is a crapshoot whether you hit or not.

I have seen the same Hitreg issues on public matches yesterday

[MrMadguy]

aniviron, on 15 December 2014 - 02:20 AM, said:

Hit reg is fine in the regular drops, but it's abysmal in CW. Lasers, autocannons, SRMs, pretty much anything except guided missiles is a crapshoot whether you hit or not.

Currently I'm playing public matches only, cuz yesterday I remembered the reason, why I don't play any game modes, except skirmish - yea, dat stupid objectives, that are forcing players to do some weird things and preventing them from actually playing the game. In CW attack objective - is to rush to generator, completely ignoring enemy team, cuz otherwise attack team don't have any chances to win due to better position for defenders and...you know...turrets. So. The second case, I've described, happened in public match at Turmaline map.

And don't tell me about leading targets and "sweeping" crosshair moves. I've tried to do it. Really tried. But it's extremely unreliable. Sometimes it works, but sometimes I don't see any damage registering and see it only when I'm shotting exactly at target. So at some point I just decided to shot at "leading edge" of the target. This thing is random and in a heat of fight, when you are aiming at 150kph target, you just don't have a time to determine, which way hitreg works today. I don't know, what it is depending on - on mech or on server load. But anyway. Spiders and Firestarters are special case - damage not registering on them anyway, no matter what you're trying to do.

Edited by MrMadguy, 15 December 2014 - 03:33 AM.

[Willard Phule]

Master Pain, on 14 December 2014 - 05:59 PM, said:

I was playing cw, the other team rushed lights. I was chasing a firestarter with my 3erLL shadow hawk. He was running in a straight line, and i fired my 3 erll 7 times each into his back. that was 189 points of damage i fired from fairly close range. none of his rear armor was breached. I feel like i have fairly good aim. with the amount of damage i thought i should have done i could have killed 2 or 3 firestarters. Is laser hit reg that bad, or are firestarter hit boxes that broken?

The long and short of it is that the Cryengine can only render objects moving up to a specific speed. IS lights, because they can swap their engines, often exceed that speed.....and gain a "lag armor" effect when the server can't accurately figure out where they are for HSR.

And....HSR has been rotten for a while.

[topgun505]

Maybe until they resolve it, switch to a 2D2 and run 2x ERLL 4x SSRM2?