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[Gyrok]

Noesis, on 30 December 2014 - 01:32 AM, said:

So much for the strong and fearless Clan Wolf. Or maybe it should be known as Clan Steiner?

All the accusations of being honourless leveled at me and then Clan Wolf forms a non agression pact with the enemy.

How dezgra is that? What a "howler" perhaps?

Please, please, lets talk about honour again, I really, really, really need a good laugh.

Honor is having a universal 2 week ceasefire negotiated on your behalf, without your consent, and being upheld under the conditions it never happens again.

[Noesis]

Gyrok, on 30 December 2014 - 06:11 AM, said:

Honor is having a universal 2 week ceasefire negotiated on your behalf, without your consent, and being upheld under the conditions it never happens again.

[Xavier]

via Imgflip Meme Maker

Edited by Xavier, 30 December 2014 - 08:39 AM.

[lpmagic]

Noesis, on 30 December 2014 - 04:04 AM, said:

Please, convince PGI to allow the option to represent oursleves better. I have made numerous posts and official suggestions about introducing a bandit/pirate faction. This is the closest fit to representing our interests and as clandestine elements in the CGB channel it works based on the options available and from the idea that we would be representative in the Clans from Lore.

But please tell me more about your lore following pact with steiner? CW members played the honour card, and now they seem to be more dishonourable to the clan idea with their pact with steiner. If anything I would say that the Dark Born has if anything be more representative in helping Clan efforts on the field by keeping their association with CGB than this betrayel.

Must be a sad day for you when the Dark Caste is perhaps more honourable than yourselves. I guess lucky that there isnt an effective council else they'd likely call for a Trial of annihilation or absorption from the other Clans.

P.S. I can supply you with German phrasebooks, quija?

you are kinda crackin me up, your upset we have a pact to "not destroy steiner right now" so we can defend our borders against GB, since, for whatever reason, you have chosen to attack (read: outright declare war) on us instead of the IS. Sooooo, Interesting logic. Not sure where you think we are weak or foolhardy. You act as if we are not attacking IS targets at all, which is pretty easy to prove otherwise, you try to establish dominance with words about how we are dishonorable, when our dishonor is that we meet you as equals on the battlefield and your simply upset that it's not the walkover you wanted. Looks like things are straightening up now, for the good. Your foolish inflammatory words do not help the situation, and simply make you sound childish.

[Kyle Wright]

i just wanted to go on the record and say the reason for the war against Clan Wolf is bullpoop (add everyone's favorite s-word). This was something that was planned for weeks by certain individuals, then when they came back they decided to preemptive strike just to be told to honor the cease fire. Now PGi takes away the Kurita attack lane, and somehow you expected PGI to fix it in hopes of preventing a all out war with Clan Wolf? ARE YOU INSANE! Where in the world of rational thinking does this even make sense? So certain units put on this whole facade, just to find any excuse they could to pis the community off.

Now I am only speaking on my behalf, and I am sure that there are other members of STS that agree with me. After talking with friends in GK, it was clear that eventually this would have come to war between both factions, but not this week. sounded like so many teams making stupid choices have warn out the welcome by attacking the Wolf border. Chances are it wouldve happen when the clans actually got closer to Terra. This just blows and may Alexandr Kerensky's Ghost have mercy on your soul.

"Those who break faith and unity shall fall into darkness"
- Nicholas Kerensky

Edited by Kyle Wright, 30 December 2014 - 10:42 AM.

[Kain Demos]

Clearly once Terra was within the grasp of a few clans this would have happened, I agree with that. I would have expected no less and was looking forward to it.

Hopefully the Space Vikings, Space Samurai, and Blue Fists don't take advantage of this and reclaim any territory. The speed at which we were advancing through the IS in my opinion was due to the lack of infighting amongst the clans (though many posts in General or the CW forums say it's because our 'mechs are still OP) compared to the IS.

Edited by Kain Thul, 30 December 2014 - 10:52 AM.

[Kyle Wright]

Kain Thul, on 30 December 2014 - 10:51 AM, said:

Clearly once Terra was within the grasp of a few clans this would have happened, I agree with that. I would have expected no less and was looking forward to it.

Hopefully the Space Vikings, Space Samurai, and Blue Fists don't take advantage of this and reclaim any territory. The speed at which we were advancing through the IS in my opinion was due to the lack of infighting amongst the clans (though many posts in General or the CW forums say it's because our 'mechs are still OP) compared to the IS.

Honestly i really hope this draws the IS up North to pound the **** out of clans. To much seal clubbing going on. And as it stands from what ive heard through the grapevine, Mercstar Alliance is now on a hunting list by every major comp team worth talking about not aligned with them.

[Kain Demos]

Kyle Wright, on 30 December 2014 - 10:55 AM, said:

Honestly i really hope this draws the IS up North to pound the **** out of clans. To much seal clubbing going on. And as it stands from what ive heard through the grapevine, Mercstar Alliance is now on a hunting list by every major comp team worth talking about not aligned with them.

PGI gets part of the blame for ******* up their implementation of mercs. The system in place now is not anything like mercs in battletech and allows for shenanigans. Also, mercs aligned clan, talk about a major oversight.

Edited by Kain Thul, 30 December 2014 - 10:58 AM.

[Kyle Wright]

Kain Thul, on 30 December 2014 - 10:57 AM, said:

PGI gets part of the blame for ******* up their implementation of mercs. The system in place now is not anything like mercs in battletech and allows for shenanigans. Also, mercs aligned clan, talk about a major oversight.

Oh yeah totally agree, for MERCS to truly to be MERCS there would need to be a rating system to distinguish them from regular clan/is units. Essentially they would have to produce a MRBC style rate system that grades your merc unit based off efficiency, wins, losses, enemys killed compared to losses taken , time frame to which you completed your contract... etc

I had posted this on reddit: http://www.reddit.co...mplemented_pgi/

[operatorZ]

Its confusing trying to follow all of this...

we get these giant king sh*t talkers in here like hybrid black and Noesis who start saying MERCS this and MERCS that...all while fighting for GB and IS, then they proceed to start fights between GB and CW, hell they were even saying how they were going over to fight the lords and stomp them...?

They post silly pictures and make outrageous claims about their abilities .....

in all honesty its all kind of pathetic....MERCS has some of the best forum warriors anywhere is all I can say...the absolute best Trolls in the business....you guys should be proud

[Noesis]

And the cognitive dissonance continues with the smoke and mirrors. You now attack the player rather than the fact, yet none of it changes the fact that you are "choosing" to cower away from Steiner. I didn't make you do this.

All your doing is calling people Troll for offering an opinion on the situation you do not agree with and because the facts speak for themselves. My calling it as it is then labelled as trolling as it puts you in a bad picture. And you call me childish when you can't face the truth?

This redirection of this focus is classic denial. But thank you for at least acknowledging that the prose and imagery made were/are sufficient to get your attention that you have started a "witch hunt" to those who are not afraid to say it as it is. I guess freedom of expression in Wolf Space is meaningless, despite the previous suggestion that you hold to the ideals of these things.

One thing for certain, it does show how "sensitive" Clan Wolf players are, but I guess the truth hurts sometimes and no-one likes the bitter pill. So I'll make it easier for you to swallow and sugar coat it for you, you know like you do for children:

"Dont worry Clan Wolf you are the best warriors on the board, the fact that you draw a truce with the IS freebirths does not diminish this and you should be proud of your efforts".

I hope you feel appropriately comforted with the above statement.

[Gyrok]

Noesis:

1.) The agreement was the decision of 1 person who represented themself as speaking for ALL of Clan Wolf (without the actual consent to do so).

2.) They have been reigned in to my knowledge, and a Council of Khans has formed to take such matters into consideration for future reference.

3.) The situation will resolve itself shortly.

4.) Making enemies among allies, regardless of your true motivation, is disrespectful to the "full time" Ghost Bears at best, and foolishly burning bridges at worst.

Community Warfare will ultimately be about alliances, pacts, treaties, and agreements. If your agreements are wasting your breath in the eyes of those you would need to convince, then you will find yourself without alliances, pacts, treaties, or agreements. Then you can make a mockery from the shadows while those who would have reached out to help you are standing with their arms crossed watching you lay in the bed you made for yourself.

Wisdom would dictate you assess the situation before your next response...

Not threatening, and not demanding, offering a wake up call. I think you will find MS is more temporary than they originally considered in the grander scheme of things, and when that goes by the way side....where will you be standing? With many allies? With many enemies?

Food for thought...

Edited by Gyrok, 30 December 2014 - 01:28 PM.

[Jaroth Corbett]

Isn't that what I said?

[operatorZ]

Noesis, on 30 December 2014 - 01:02 PM, said:

And the cognitive dissonance continues with the smoke and mirrors. You now attack the player rather than the fact, yet none of it changes the fact that you are "choosing" to cower away from Steiner. I didn't make you do this.

All your doing is calling people Troll for offering an opinion on the situation you do not agree with and because the facts speak for themselves. My calling it as it is then labelled as trolling as it puts you in a bad picture. And you call me childish when you can't face the truth?

This redirection of this focus is classic denial. But thank you for at least acknowledging that the prose and imagery made were/are sufficient to get your attention that you have started a "witch hunt" to those who are not afraid to say it as it is. I guess freedom of expression in Wolf Space is meaningless, despite the previous suggestion that you hold to the ideals of these things.

One thing for certain, it does show how "sensitive" Clan Wolf players are, but I guess the truth hurts sometimes and no-one likes the bitter pill. So I'll make it easier for you to swallow and sugar coat it for you, you know like you do for children:

"Dont worry Clan Wolf you are the best warriors on the board, the fact that you draw a truce with the IS freebirths does not diminish this and you should be proud of your efforts".

I hope you feel appropriately comforted with the above statement.

I nominate this for one of the best Troll posts 2014...

I know its a late entry but I believe we can get the academy to bend a few rules taking into account the greatness of the forum warrioring contained within.... +1

[Noesis]

Gyrok, on 30 December 2014 - 01:27 PM, said:

Food for thought...

I'm in no worse situation with Clan Wolf as a result. You guys have already been extremely prejudicial to the Dark Born anyhow, this even prior to CW. There were/are no bridges to burn as a result, so not worse off as a result. You are trying to sell me something I already have.

We are not affiliated with CGB we are only working under contract in the CGB corridor as it presents the best opportunities to capatalise on. We are not allied with them since the Dark Born have no political affiliations we are neutral and only responsible to oursleves or any buisness employer. CGB have done nothing in realistic terms of helping or working with the Dark Born, so it is pointless trying to direct the finger of blame where again nothing exists.

We are not pets of the Clans we work for whomever wants to employ our services or where we see opportunity. This includes the full spectrum of psychological warfare and propoganda. This has also been fully advertised with our operational services brochure for some time. So I'm pleased you see it as being effective. However you shouldn't ally us with CGB as a result just because there is a CGB image above my name. The Dark Born is a neutral organisation that works independantly of the council or any political influence. And we already have appropriate alliances befitting purposes more suited to our needs.

None of this diminishes the fact that all Clan Wolf units have the "choice" to be a pet of Steiner. This is a personal choice you are making, I have done nothing but comment on events as I have seen them.

I'm pleased the comments are being noticed as this will of course help to raise the profile of the kinds of services the Dark Born can perform. And in terms of quality I think your above statement acts as a good indicator to the apparent effect of them.

And all in the search of Truth.

P.S. Thanks also for all the lovely intel it provides as part of the process also, that is just a bonus.

Dark Born operational services brochure can be found here: http://1drv.ms/1uYnkAz

Always happy to discuss business but may be booked up for a bit with current interests for the more immediate future.

[operatorZ]

Noesis, on 30 December 2014 - 02:24 PM, said:

I'm in no worse situation with Clan Wolf as a result. You guys have already been extremely prejudicial to the Dark Born anyhow, this even prior to CW. There were/are no bridges to burn as a result, so not worse off as a result. You are trying to sell me something I already have.

We are not affiliated with CGB we are only working under contract in the CGB corridor as it presents the best opportunities to capatalise on. We are not allied with them since the Dark Born have no political affiliations we are neutral and only responsible to oursleves or any buisness employer. CGB have done nothing in realistic terms of helping or working with the Dark Born, so it is pointless trying to direct the finger of blame where again nothing exists.

We are not pets of the Clans we work for whomever wants to employ our services or where we see opportunity. This includes the full spectrum of psychological warfare and propoganda. This has also been fully advertised with our operational services brochure for some time. So I'm pleased you see it as being effective. However you shouldn't ally us with CGB as a result just because there is a CGB image above my name. The Dark Born is a neutral organisation that works independantly of the council or any political influence. And we already have appropriate alliances befitting purposes more suited to our needs.

None of this diminishes the fact that all Clan Wolf units have the "choice" to be a pet of Steiner. This is a personal choice you are making, I have done nothing but comment on events as I have seen them.

I'm pleased the comments are being noticed as this will of course help to raise the profile of the kinds of services the Dark Born can perform. And in terms of quality I think your above statement acts as a good indicator to the apparent effect of them.

And all in the search of Truth.

P.S. Thanks also for all the lovely intel it provides as part of the process also, that is just a bonus.

Dark Born operational services brochure can be found here: http://1drv.ms/1uYnkAz

Always happy to discuss business but may be booked up for a bit with current interests for the more immediate future.

Well I must say....I thought that your ability to forum warrior and troll was a little to forced, almost contrived...but now I see why...its your job. Hell I just respond to you to get more examples of your skill but its only because I'm bored at work.

So allow me to let you have some more confirmation of you skills....you are in fact one of the best "trolls"...err sorry...propaganda ministers since Goebbels,

High praise indeed, you should add that to your brochure !

Edited by operatorZ, 30 December 2014 - 02:36 PM.

[Aleksandr Wolf]

Yasuoka, on 30 December 2014 - 02:06 AM, said:

I just read like... I dunno.. a lot a lot of this.
Whoever has that Bear driving the car gif I applaud you that was the best part of this thread.

Started by me but credit to reddit where i found it.

Secondly,

[Gyrok]

Noesis, on 30 December 2014 - 02:24 PM, said:

I'm in no worse situation with Clan Wolf as a result. You guys have already been extremely prejudicial to the Dark Born anyhow, this even prior to CW. There were/are no bridges to burn as a result, so not worse off as a result. You are trying to sell me something I already have.

We are not affiliated with CGB we are only working under contract in the CGB corridor as it presents the best opportunities to capatalise on. We are not allied with them since the Dark Born have no political affiliations we are neutral and only responsible to oursleves or any buisness employer. CGB have done nothing in realistic terms of helping or working with the Dark Born, so it is pointless trying to direct the finger of blame where again nothing exists.

We are not pets of the Clans we work for whomever wants to employ our services or where we see opportunity. This includes the full spectrum of psychological warfare and propoganda. This has also been fully advertised with our operational services brochure for some time. So I'm pleased you see it as being effective. However you shouldn't ally us with CGB as a result just because there is a CGB image above my name. The Dark Born is a neutral organisation that works independantly of the council or any political influence. And we already have appropriate alliances befitting purposes more suited to our needs.

None of this diminishes the fact that all Clan Wolf units have the "choice" to be a pet of Steiner. This is a personal choice you are making, I have done nothing but comment on events as I have seen them.

I'm pleased the comments are being noticed as this will of course help to raise the profile of the kinds of services the Dark Born can perform. And in terms of quality I think your above statement acts as a good indicator to the apparent effect of them.

And all in the search of Truth.

P.S. Thanks also for all the lovely intel it provides as part of the process also, that is just a bonus.

Dark Born operational services brochure can be found here: http://1drv.ms/1uYnkAz

Always happy to discuss business but may be booked up for a bit with current interests for the more immediate future.

Actually...considering the fact that you were from the Nova Cats once upon a time...while CWDG did not actively seek you out...we harbored no prejudices against your unit. However, because you generalized and made assumptions...you overlooked what could have been an ally by lumping us in with whatever unit it was that slighted you in the past.

Continue burning more potential bridges...there may be others out there who thought nothing positive or negative of you...until your posts in this forum.

Remember...for every injured post you put forth, or trolling effort you put out there, units are watching you. No matter how large or how small your unit is. You do not want negative attention. People who dislike something are ten fold more likely to tell others than people who are completely satisfied. Remember that...

As for my reaction...well, as you overlooked it before...

Gyrok, on 30 December 2014 - 01:27 PM, said:

Wisdom would dictate you assess the situation before your next response...

Not threatening, and not demanding, offering a wake up call. I think you will find MS is more temporary than they originally considered in the grander scheme of things, and when that goes by the way side....where will you be standing? With many allies? With many enemies?

Food for thought...

Perhaps tone is poorly conveyed via text on a forum, however...that was as straight faced and happenstance as I can be about this discussion. Entirely civil, yet all the while reminding you of the mess you are potentially making for yourself.

Take it not as a reaction of emotion, as it is clearly not worded to be so. Only offering my perspective on the damage that has already been done for you by association. You need no additional help in damaging your reputation, clearly...just remember, it was a potential ally who pointed this out to you...not one of your current compatriots.

[Kyle Wright]

Noesis, on 30 December 2014 - 02:24 PM, said:

I'm in no worse situation with Clan Wolf as a result. You guys have already been extremely prejudicial to the Dark Born anyhow, this even prior to CW. There were/are no bridges to burn as a result, so not worse off as a result. You are trying to sell me something I already have.

We are not affiliated with CGB we are only working under contract in the CGB corridor as it presents the best opportunities to capatalise on. We are not allied with them since the Dark Born have no political affiliations we are neutral and only responsible to oursleves or any buisness employer. CGB have done nothing in realistic terms of helping or working with the Dark Born, so it is pointless trying to direct the finger of blame where again nothing exists.

We are not pets of the Clans we work for whomever wants to employ our services or where we see opportunity. This includes the full spectrum of psychological warfare and propoganda. This has also been fully advertised with our operational services brochure for some time. So I'm pleased you see it as being effective. However you shouldn't ally us with CGB as a result just because there is a CGB image above my name. The Dark Born is a neutral organisation that works independantly of the council or any political influence. And we already have appropriate alliances befitting purposes more suited to our needs.

None of this diminishes the fact that all Clan Wolf units have the "choice" to be a pet of Steiner. This is a personal choice you are making, I have done nothing but comment on events as I have seen them.

I'm pleased the comments are being noticed as this will of course help to raise the profile of the kinds of services the Dark Born can perform. And in terms of quality I think your above statement acts as a good indicator to the apparent effect of them.

And all in the search of Truth.

P.S. Thanks also for all the lovely intel it provides as part of the process also, that is just a bonus.

Dark Born operational services brochure can be found here: http://1drv.ms/1uYnkAz

Always happy to discuss business but may be booked up for a bit with current interests for the more immediate future.

CGB was doing just fine till all you turncoat IS Merc Units came up here and started causing problems. Ive been in far to many drops lately where some piss ant of a no name unit starts boasting about how bada** they are and have contributed to CGB's success. Yet, when I look around either no one has heard of them nor do they have their name on a planet.


Well if you are a Merc and only out here in CGB territory for yourself and causing issues... then

Edited by Kyle Wright, 30 December 2014 - 04:06 PM.

[Noesis]

Gyrok, I knew what I was getting into when I started the Dark Born, that decision and choice has been made long ago, and I can live with it. Business is buisness, we have an obligation to our employer(s).

Needless to say the choices you make having ramifications is old news to me, and not being able to please everyone by that process is not the way of the Dark Born. The candour we show should demonstrate we are not sychophants and I can live by the choices we make.

We are ghosts in the machine, hacking the air waves and influencing by clandestine choice what might provide the opportunities and those willing to work for mutual gain.

Question is are you happy with the choices you are making in terms of getting into bed with Steiner?

This also has nothing to do with relations with CNC, but interesting you see them as allies. Whilst I was with them they were very proud of how they played CW Alpha against CW Delta and where claiming involvement in helping your break up and helping to cause division for their own interests. Suprised you are completely unaware to their "under the table" dealings and their "espionage" associated here with how they "played you".

CW members have been very open with their comments about how they disrespect what the Dark Born stand for and have made many posts of flippant and derogatory nature about our group irrespective of associations you feel might have been instrumental to poor relations. I have received very little positive statements or gestures of co-operation coming from Wolf at all as a result. The Dark Born however still open for business.

All I learnt from my time at CNC Alpha about Clan Wolf was just how fractured and unable to get along you are. Those old wounds of misstrust and lack of cohesion within Clan Wolf then still apparent today and effecting your capabilties and impact as a result it seems based on recent commentary.

However moving forwards and as a gesture of at least offering you buisness opportunities with the Dark Born it sounds like you need a better intelligence service as a result of the gaps in your understanding of your associations. This is also a potential service the Dark Born could offer you as the Weaver of the Dark Born has been trained as a military intelligence analyst and as a consultancy service we could help to train up your members on how to use intelligence efforts well. Again please see the above brochure for contact details.

Edited by Noesis, 30 December 2014 - 04:12 PM.