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[Davegt27]

Just wondering what was the dominant Mechs before the Clans made their appearance


I thought someone told me the Victor but that can’t be right

Was the Atlas ever strong and then got nerfed??

How about the other classes of Mechs'

[mogs01gt]

During the "pop-tart" meta, Victors dominated.

I guess you could say that a Atlas-DDC was most welcomed or expected to be on your team before the clans were released.

[Walluh]

Pretty sure Stalkers have always been strong, and still are.

[DONTOR]

Stalkers have always been the toughest, and probably always will be. Unless you use a XL engine then they are the most fragile.

[Brody319]

Poptart meta - Victor. Specifically the Dragon slayer.
All the time - Stalkers
Recently - Banshees, Battlemasters.

[Rhaythe]

In the closed beta, Atlas mechs were to be utterly feared. As were Raven 3L's, but mostly because you couldn't shoot the ********.

Brody319, on 16 December 2014 - 10:22 AM, said:

Poptart meta - Victor. Specifically the Dragon slayer.
All the time - Stalkers
Recently - Banshees, Battlemasters.

Stalkers make me roll my eyes these days. Too many of them toting around XL engines.

[blood4blood]

There was a time when the Atlas was the only assault mech in the game, just as the K2 was once the only dual AC20 or dual gauss mech. Once the Highlander was the only JJ assault in MWO. When the Stalker was released it had pretty much the best combination of firepower, hardpoint placement, and profile for an assault. Etc.

[Vandul]

Well built, well piloted Banshee's are something to be considered.

[mogs01gt]

blood4blood, on 16 December 2014 - 10:24 AM, said:

There was a time when the Atlas was the only assault mech in the game, just as the K2 was once the only dual AC20 or dual gauss mech. Once the Highlander was the only JJ assault in MWO. When the Stalker was released it had pretty much the best combination of firepower, hardpoint placement, and profile for an assault. Etc.

The problem is that unless its a Misery, people build them to be LRM boats because they cant brawl.

[Lyoto Machida]

mogs01gt, on 16 December 2014 - 10:51 AM, said:

The problem is that unless its a Misery, people build them to be LRM boats because they cant brawl.

That's not completely true...I've seen Stalker pilots in my unit put up gaudy numbers with SRM-centric builds.

[mogs01gt]

Lyoto Machida, on 16 December 2014 - 11:06 AM, said:

That's not completely true...I've seen Stalker pilots in my unit put up gaudy numbers with SRM-centric builds.

Havent seen one of them in months!!!

[Walluh]

I'm undecided on which is worse, XL Hunchbacks, or XL Stalkers.

[Rhaythe]

Walluh, on 16 December 2014 - 11:29 AM, said:

I'm undecided on which is worse, XL Hunchbacks, or XL Stalkers.

Eh. One had decidedly more armor than the other...

[MeiSooHaityu]

The Awesome!


Ok, no. Lol.


I do remember thinking the Highlander was going to cause problems. It was the first Assault with JJs. I didn't want it in the game for mobility reasons. Little did I realize it would fuel a Jump Sniper meta.

The Cataphract came first, but it didn't seem to ignite the the Jump Snipe meta like the Highlander did.

[Rhaythe]

MeiSooHaityu, on 16 December 2014 - 11:35 AM, said:

The Awesome!

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In the stock matches, the Awesome 8Q is still explicitly called out as a priority target every time it's seen. In Battletech, it's a beast. Mechwarrior, with infinite customization in mechbays, not so much.

[FupDup]

Rhaythe, on 16 December 2014 - 11:37 AM, said:

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In the stock matches, the Awesome 8Q is still explicitly called out as a priority target every time it's seen. In Battletech, it's a beast. Mechwarrior, with infinite customization in mechbays, not so much.

The Awesome's issue in MWO wasn't customization so much as hitboxes and geometry making it not last as long as an assault mech would be expected to, at least prior to the Quirkening (right now they seem to be more threatening?).

A low engine cap (on most variants) for a mech that's reliant on heatsinks (bigger engine helps to slot in more dubs to save critslots) doesn't help matters...

Edited by FupDup, 16 December 2014 - 11:42 AM.

[MeiSooHaityu]

Rhaythe, on 16 December 2014 - 11:37 AM, said:

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In the stock matches, the Awesome 8Q is still explicitly called out as a priority target every time it's seen. In Battletech, it's a beast. Mechwarrior, with infinite customization in mechbays, not so much.

The "girth" of the Awesome is it's worst enemy. The quirks made it powerful offensively, but she is squishy. That's now, pre-clan she was even squishier and PPCs stunk. Poor Awesome

[Rhaythe]

FupDup, on 16 December 2014 - 11:40 AM, said:

The Awesome's issue in MWO wasn't customization so much as hitboxes and geometry making it not last as long as an assault mech would be expected to, at least prior to the Quirkening (right now they seem to be more threatening?).

One feeds the other. The infinite customization extends not just over the Awesome, but every mech it faces. The Time-to-Live ratio in stock matches is far longer than typical MWO. Yes, it still has the same hitbox problems, but they aren't as exacerbated when you aren't facing so much of the FLD alpha meta.

[Lord Perversor]

Davegt27, on 16 December 2014 - 10:10 AM, said:

Just wondering what was the dominant Mechs before the Clans made their appearance


I thought someone told me the Victor but that can’t be right

Was the Atlas ever strong and then got nerfed??

How about the other classes of Mechs'

At the very beginningthe Atlas ruled since there wasn't any other Assault.

As game developed and the meta evolved the ruling Assault began to change.

Highlander become the 1st JJ (poptarting) and used to rule uncontested with 1x Gauss with 3x PPC.

After the Victor release, the aforementioned Highlander remained on high priority followed closely by Dragon-slayer hero and other Victors (for some people who favored mobilty over firepower)

With the changes of Gauss charge mechanic and Ghost heat, the predominant builds became 2x PPC and 2x UAC/5 (pre nerf) or 2x AC/5 this saw a reduction of Highlanders and a quick raise of Victors as the predominant Assault until Clan arrived.

Side note: Awesomes never truly shined due hitboxes issues , Banshees came a bit late and are kinda sluggish so while powerful never became predominant, Stalkers always was strong options (laser vomit) with the Misery at the head (AC/20 2x PPC build) but rarely became favored over the 2x Ac/5 - 2xPPC Victors whose mobilty gave an ever upper advantage.

P.S: forgot to mention the Atlas D-DC always remained a favored option outside highly competitive teams due his ECM and ability to get in you face with 3x SRm 6 and 1x AC/20

Edited by Lord Perversor, 16 December 2014 - 11:57 AM.