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[Kjudoon]

Serial Peacemaker, on 20 December 2014 - 09:49 PM, said:

Honestly I'm starting to think you are just a troll and have reported you as such.

If that was to me for having a different opinion based on ruling precedent from pgi we shall see what comes of it. False accusations and spurious charges I know are not smiled upon and a difference of opinion is not automatically trolling. We are having a conversation I thought. The tactic upsets you. That is not my problem because it is not against the rules to make you find an enemy or force you to wait inside the confines of the rules. No one here is compelled to eat a gauss round.

[Dirty Starfish]

Mystere, as a clanner, I would expect you to understand what is and what is not honorable. If you don't understand then you might as well be stravag.

To Kjudoon, I have never said that it is against the rules of MWO to hide. I mean to say that in the rules of the real world (that place with all the sunshine), it is frowned upon to waste the time of twelve other people for almost nothing. I withdraw my accusation of trolling as I believe that you may have just missed the part of elementary school where they teach you how to care for others.

Edited by Serial Peacemaker, 20 December 2014 - 11:30 PM.

[Mystere]

Serial Peacemaker, on 20 December 2014 - 11:26 PM, said:

Mystere, as a clanner, I would expect you to understand what is and what is not honorable. If you don't understand then you might as well be stravag.

Yes, I do understand, perfectly well actually: Honor <> Being Stupid in Battle

[The Wakelord]

The game needs to remind people, preferrably at every match, that CW does not change their precious K/D ratio.

[Mystere]

The Wakelord, on 20 December 2014 - 11:30 PM, said:

The game needs to remind people, preferrably at every match, that CW does not change their precious K/D ratio.

Contrary to popular belief, K/D is not the reason why some people are doing it.

[TKSax]

Actually Kjudoon you could be wrong about that. In skirmish PGI considers it non participation if you dis engage from battle and power down to hide for the intention of dragging out the match or protecting your kdr, the object of skirmish is to fight other mechs. So if you are not doing that you are in violation of TOS, I know cause I have asked them.

So in invasion if you are on the attacking team, your adjective is to attack, so if you power down as one of the last mechs then I would consider that a violation of the non-participation part of the TOS, just like skirmish example is above.

[Dirty Starfish]

Mystere, on 20 December 2014 - 11:29 PM, said:

Yes, I do understand, perfectly well actually: Honor <> Being Stupid in Battle

YES!! YOU GET IT NOW!! If all the clanners were as knowledgeable as you then this invasion might go the way it did in lore.

[Mystere]

TKSax, on 20 December 2014 - 11:35 PM, said:

Actually Kjudoon you could be wrong about that. In skirmish PGI considers it non participation if you dis engage from battle and power down to hide for the intention of dragging out the match or protecting your kdr, the object of skirmish is to fight other mechs. So if you are not doing that you are in violation of TOS, I know cause I have asked them.

So in invasion if you are on the attacking team, your adjective is to attack, so if you power down as one of the last mechs then I would consider that a violation of the non-participation part of the TOS, just like skirmish example is above.

Clan spies have reported that there is a meta game going on with the IS right now. It is called "tying down enemy units" -- especially the better players -- in the misguided hope that allies face lesser enemies.

[Kjudoon]

TKSax, on 20 December 2014 - 11:35 PM, said:

Actually Kjudoon you could be wrong about that. In skirmish PGI considers it non participation if you dis engage from battle and power down to hide for the intention of dragging out the match or protecting your kdr, the object of skirmish is to fight other mechs. So if you are not doing that you are in violation of TOS, I know cause I have asked them.

So in invasion if you are on the attacking team, your adjective is to attack, so if you power down as one of the last mechs then I would consider that a violation of the non-participation part of the TOS, just like skirmish example is above.

Having talked to both devs and mods in private the definition Igot was you do damage, go spot or even wander around capping and then go hide from the 12 mechs that left you an only child is not griefing or non- participation. You bet I checked.

Also my goal is not to attack foolishly. It is to win the planet. If Icannot be victorious in attacking, my goal is to prevent the victor from turning to another ally of mine. Since thermopylae this has been done. Lose the battle, win the war.

Edited by Kjudoon, 21 December 2014 - 12:30 AM.

[Mystere]

Serial Peacemaker, on 20 December 2014 - 11:35 PM, said:

YES!! YOU GET IT NOW!! If all the clanners were as knowledgeable as you then this invasion might go the way it did in lore.

Actually, I have known it since secondary schooling: Roman manipular and cohort tactics at 12, Sun Tzu at 16, Bushido at 18, classified after that.

[Kjudoon]

Mystere, on 21 December 2014 - 12:17 AM, said:

Clan spies have reported that there is a meta game going on with the IS right now. It is called &quot;tying down enemy units&quot; -- especially the better players -- in the misguided hope that allies face lesser enemies.

. Please to file under "operation WellDUHHH".

[STEF_]

It must be a reason why button P exists.
or not?

[FalconerGray]

MischiefSC, on 20 December 2014 - 10:09 PM, said:

It's a bug hunt

Edited by legatoblues, 21 December 2014 - 08:48 AM.

[Dirty Starfish]

The button p exists so you can more effectively set up an ambush or dissipate heat. It does not exist so that you can **** around in a corner, go make a sandwich, and force the opposing team to play hide and seek.

[InspectorG]

Serial Peacemaker, on 20 December 2014 - 07:48 PM, said:

It may be a "valid tactic", but it is cheesier than a 12 man light rush. This is a game. We play to have fun. An ******* who powers down is no longer playing the game, he is just being a ****.

Albeit true, YOU play for fun...as do I.

Others play to WIN.

Should the competitive players have to accommodate the more casual ones? In the gamemode PGI/MWO considers 'hard mode'?

Should casual players have to accommodate Comps in general que???

Some things to think about.

[Dirty Starfish]

InspectorG, on 21 December 2014 - 11:26 AM, said:

Albeit true, YOU play for fun...as do I.

Others play to WIN.

Should the competitive players have to accommodate the more casual ones? In the gamemode PGI/MWO considers 'hard mode'?

Should casual players have to accommodate Comps in general que???

Some things to think about.

The thing is that if you find yourself needing to power down and hide in CW, you have already lost (unless maybe defending under special circumstances). I absolutely agree with you that there shouldn't be any "casual accommodation" going on.

In this case due to the way CW works with ceasefires and turnovers, there is minuscule tactical benefit to wasting everybody's time in this manner. Sure you could make the enemy team rage quit, but otherwise they will just come back and stomp you again. All players shouldn't have to accommodate time-wasters.

Edited by Serial Peacemaker, 21 December 2014 - 11:39 AM.

[oldradagast]

I love the level of childish behavior tolerated in the name of worthless trophies and winning at something that really doesn't matter. Intentionally disconnecting to drag out matches and lock up enemy mechs is a perfect example of this type of behavior.

It is impressive how many people are eager to suck the fun out of the game just so some video game bad guys have a slightly harder time conquering their pixels on an imaginary map. Sad, really.

Edited by oldradagast, 21 December 2014 - 11:32 AM.

[InspectorG]

Serial Peacemaker, on 21 December 2014 - 11:31 AM, said:

The thing is that if you find yourself needing to power down, you have already lost. I absolutely agree with you that there shouldn't be any "casual accommodation" going on.

In this case due to the way CW works with ceasefires and turnovers, there is minuscule tactical benefit to wasting everybody's time in this manner. Sure you could make the enemy team rage quit, but otherwise they will just come back and stomp you again. All players shouldn't have to accommodate time-wasters.

Wrong, wasting time is extremely viable, although admittedly boring as sin. You have to think strategy not tactics on this one.
It is BECAUSE of the time constraints it works but only vs certain foes. Definitely vs Clansmen cause IS has more pugs.

[Dirty Starfish]

InspectorG, on 21 December 2014 - 11:43 AM, said:

Wrong, wasting time is extremely viable, although admittedly boring as sin. You have to think strategy not tactics on this one.
It is BECAUSE of the time constraints it works but only vs certain foes. Definitely vs Clansmen cause IS has more pugs.

Unless it is 30 minutes before ceasefire, this clan super-team will just come back and take the planet in the hours left until ceasefire. Remember that you are locking in the 12 players on your side as well. What you are describing is simply delaying the inevitable.

Edited by Serial Peacemaker, 21 December 2014 - 11:51 AM.

[InspectorG]

Serial Peacemaker, on 21 December 2014 - 11:50 AM, said:

Unless it is 30 minutes before ceasefire, this clan super-team will just come back and take the planet in the hours left until ceasefire. Remember that you are locking in the 12 players on your side as well. What you are describing is simply delaying the inevitable.

Nope. Think bigger.