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[InspectorG]

Summoner has little firepower
4erml, Gauss
4erll
erppc/Gauss...3tons ammo...
2uAc5, 4ersm
LRM15,15,10, 2erml
BUT it moves well enough.

Nova:
12 ersm...up close and personal but...pray you dont roll alpine. WAS GODLY BEFORE HEAT NERF...now...less so.
10ersml, 1erll...some range
6erml...most balanced and better than looks on paper.

Nova hitboxes got beat with the FUGLY stick.
Arms DRAG on the ground as you walk. They also get picked off very often.
CT sticks out like a JENNER...torso twisting really only does anything vs brand new pilots who arent aware there is more than one hitbox.
PLAY LIKE A KITFOX...behind the scary assault fire support.

I mastered both. Oddly i have a positive KDR in each...somehow???

[Deathlike]

FupDup, on 28 December 2014 - 06:49 AM, said:

It irks me that the Black Hawk's Alternate S arms have the same quirks as the Prime's, despite having half the hardpoints...perhaps -10% energy heat is in order? Or more armor on the S arms would be kewl instead, if people are too afraid of "muh TTK" issues.

I think there are inherent problems with the Nova-Prime and Nova-S's arms when it comes to balancing.

How would you properly balance them w/o making the other obsolete?

If you buff the Nova-Prime's arm over the Nova-S, more people will attempt to go "sword and board".

If you buff the Nova-S's arm over the Nova-Prime, more people will just run the Nova-S's arms outright because they will most likely have "even handed builds", although slightly favoring the Right Torso (Nova-B's RT is really nifty).

That doesn't even begin to express how the Nova-B's left arm fits into any of this.

What will most likely happen if one were to buff the Nova-B's left arm is to use it in a more sword+board combo (inherit the bonuses, despite not using that arm for a weapon in its entirity).

It makes me think that PGI needs to revise their quirk system a bit... the "penalties" or "bonuses" would not be applied if that hardpoint isn't use...

For instance, why would use want to use the Nova-S if you don't plan on using AMS? By PGI's current design, you lose 5% torso twist. If it were as such as equipping AMS would actually enforce the penalty, then it wouldn't be the same drag IMO.

Of course, it would change the nature of the quirk system with respect to the value of the omnipods (the Omnipod quirks would still not favor the Nova-Prime's arms, but it could serve a different purpose altogether).

That's a way of looking at it.


If the Nova-B's left arm got a 10% heat reduction buff... I would completely consider going sword and board and not even use the hardpoint...

Just remember that the Nova-S's arms in many instances is more practical than the Nova-Prime's arms... if you're not going sword and board. The one actual thing that makes a difference is where the laser placements are (add the 3rd laser in the Nova-Prime's arm and you'll see what I'm talking about).

Unless you can figure out a decent quirk that gives it value w/o completely changing the dynamics significantly... well good luck with that.

The more likely and "boring" scenario is to give it an armor buff (similar to the Hellbringer and Gargoyle arms), and that would still skew the use of the Nova-B's left arm (faster arm articulation is meh really, but it's worse w/o the heat reduction bonus).

So... it is what it is.

[Bishop Steiner]

Summoner's cooler.

[FupDup]

Bishop Steiner, on 29 December 2014 - 09:41 AM, said:

Summoner's cooler.

Literally.

[Splatshot]

Just run one of the arms as an AC or UAC, helps with the heat issues. ( Two Builds) UAC10 works nice.

Other one run 2 ERPPCs.

[Bishop Steiner]

FupDup, on 29 December 2014 - 09:51 AM, said:

Literally.

the smart Pigeon got it.

[ArchSight]

FupDup, on 26 December 2014 - 02:26 PM, said:

I vote Thor.

This has inspired me to make this summoner loadout.
http://mwo.smurfy-ne...34bec6d90ba3d54

[Tremendous Upside]

Go Nova. You're an experienced player - so trust me. There are ways to make it work if you adjust your play around it's weaknesses. The Nova isn't super fast and doesn't take a punch particularly well... but what it does have is the ability to drop massive bursts of firepower from moderate and short ranges and it can change angles and positions easily to do it. 6xERMLs + 6xERSLs or 5+5 is workable even with the heat changes. Use each set of weapons at the appropriate ranges and it'll get the job done. It's not a front liner (obviously), but if you work to manage your damage early in matches and focus on piling onto mechs already getting shot at and bide your time to commit later into fights you can have a field day. It's a true glass cannon in every sense of the word.

[Lily from animove]

Bishop Steiner, on 29 December 2014 - 09:41 AM, said:

Summoner's cooler.

No, design and look wose, nova is the cooles mech, but that desn't helps much in combat.

[That Dawg]

Lily from animove, on 04 January 2015 - 04:36 AM, said:

No, design and look wose, nova is the cooles mech, but that desn't helps much in combat.

Even Google translate didn't help.

[Kiryuin Ragyo]

FupDup, on 29 December 2014 - 09:51 AM, said:

Literally.

Uhum... cause there is not much "Eboneezer's" around who managed to shoot 4 Trial Nova-Prime build alphas in a row on a Mordor and didn't went shotdown.

[Oderint dum Metuant]

The Nova with 12 ERSL and accompanied MGs wrecks face when used appropriately.
Cyborx loves his.

[Lily from animove]

So how did you decided? and any battlereports so far?

Lily from animove, on 04 January 2015 - 04:36 AM, said:

No, design and look wise, nova is the coolest mech, but that doesn't helps much in combat.

typos were stronk that day

Edited by Lily from animove, 05 January 2015 - 08:13 AM.

[Illya Ghost Bear]

Lily from animove, on 04 January 2015 - 04:36 AM, said:

No, design and look wose, nova is the cooles mech, but that desn't helps much in combat.

Nova looks like a constipated frog.

[Lily from animove]

Illya Arkhipova, on 05 January 2015 - 08:14 AM, said:

Nova looks like a constipated frog.

and I like it because of that xD

[Deathlike]

Lily from animove, on 05 January 2015 - 08:12 AM, said:

So how did you decided? and any battlereports so far?

It was decided like a week ago. I've already posted a Nova thread with a followup Summoner thread.

On the other hand, I still need to finish grinding out the Summoners (Prime mastered, B+D with Speed Tweak, B with Fast Fire).

[Lily from animove]

Deathlike, on 05 January 2015 - 12:35 PM, said:

It was decided like a week ago. I've already posted a Nova thread with a followup Summoner thread.

On the other hand, I still need to finish grinding out the Summoners (Prime mastered, B+D with Speed Tweak, B with Fast Fire).

Ah i see the 50 shades of gray thread, i forgot it was from you. The forum kidna sucks without avatars, it makes differing people a bit harder.

[Deathlike]

Lily from animove, on 05 January 2015 - 12:46 PM, said:

Ah i see the 50 shades of gray thread, i forgot it was from you. The forum kidna sucks without avatars, it makes differing people a bit harder.

/shrug

When I read names on a forum, the ForumWarrior in me remembers them due to what they post and what they say.

It's like trying to find "quality posts" from "151th", except that's like asking to find a unicorn. You know what you're getting.

[FupDup]

Deathlike, on 05 January 2015 - 12:58 PM, said:

/shrug

When I read names on a forum, the ForumWarrior in me remembers them due to what they post and what they say.

It's like trying to find "quality posts" from "151th", except that's like asking to find a unicorn. You know what you're getting.

Faction portraits kind of help. For example, when Bishop went Kurita and then Ghost Pedobear, that really messed up my internal "autopilot" skim reading. Seeing Roland and Adiuvo go FRR also was/is confusing. I still wonder why Vassago gave up his blue fist in exchange for becoming a purple bird.

Edited by FupDup, 05 January 2015 - 01:04 PM.

[MechWarrior9376871]

Summoner is more agile and narrow.