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[ForlornDream]

Hi there, ive been loving playing alot of different assault mechs, and i noticed there are certain mechs that seem to be unobtainable. At the moment the one i see most besides things like founder mechs is the battlemaster g1 (P). What is it, besides being a battlemaster assault mech; the real question is what does the P stand for and how is it special? Is it mainly the same how all special mechs with a 30% increase in c bills? I would like to obtain special mechs, especially since the battlemaster mechs atm are one of my favorite, is this mech still obtainable or not?

[Jackal Noble]

P stands for Phoenix. Was an early pack that is no longer available.

Edited by Jackal Noble, 10 August 2018 - 08:18 PM.

[HammerMaster]

Yup and it had/has faction(useless) perks.
Laughable Loyalty Points.

Edited by HammerMaster, 11 August 2018 - 02:44 PM.

[Abaddun]

HammerMaster, on 11 August 2018 - 02:44 PM, said:

Yup and it had/has faction(useless) perks.
Laughable Loyalty Points.

Which is exactly why I think we need Faction mechs with 30% LP boosts.


Besides that, strangely enough, unlike other packages, you cannot retrospectively buy the Phoenix package. Maybe it's because they hadn't established the store framework prior to it's release, but either way, I do feel a bit sorry for the new players who will never get access to it.

I myself would like to upgrade my tier, now that I have a bit more spare cash to throw about.

[Spheroid]

Just get a Hellslinger via a masterly package. The overlord package was $80 for mostly undesireable mechs and 30 days of premium. Its very easily to get better value by purchasing contemporary packages.

Edited by Spheroid, 11 August 2018 - 03:33 PM.

[Abaddun]

Spheroid, on 11 August 2018 - 03:33 PM, said:

Just get a Hellslinger via a masterly package. The overlord package was $80 for mostly undesireable mechs and 30 days of premium. Its very easily to get better value by purchasing contemporary packages.

Woah there, don't be disrespecting the SHD-2H. That mech is the bees knees.

[Chados]

There was a bid to rerelease the Phoenix pack for those who weren’t playing the game when it was out. PGI originally had indicated that it would not be rereleased, and those who were in the game and had it fought to ensure that it would not be rereleased so,that they could maintain its exclusivity. Like the (F) Founder mechs, you can’t get Catapults et al. with the (F) geometry differencesand bonuses. It’s an ego thing. They did the same thing with Sarah’s Jenner, which was released years ago for charity. People don’t want anyone else to be able to get it, because they want to keep it “exclusive.”

If PGI rereleased the Phoenix variants I’d probably pick a couple up, like the Shadowhawk. But that’s not in the cards. You can get an achievement in game for killing a Phoenix mech, it’s called “Phoenix Down.”

[Escef]

Chados, on 12 August 2018 - 03:55 AM, said:

They did the same thing with Sarah’s Jenner, which was released years ago for charity. People don’t want anyone else to be able to get it, because they want to keep it “exclusive.”

First of all, Canadian law is very particular about how companies go about running charity events. Especially in regards to donations taken from international donors. The Sarah's Jenner promotion involved a HUGE amount of legal gymnastics.

Secondly, and more importantly, they can't do another run of Sarah's Jenner without express permission and signed legal documents from her family... So, are you REALLY saying that [Redacted]

Edited by draiocht, 15 August 2018 - 10:54 AM.
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[Escef]

Spheroid, on 11 August 2018 - 03:33 PM, said:

Just get a Hellslinger via a masterly package. The overlord package was $80 for mostly undesireable mechs and 30 days of premium. Its very easily to get better value by purchasing contemporary packages.

Two of the T-bolts eventually became meta, as have a couple of the Battlemasters. Shadowhawks were the best pre-clan mediums in the game. Griffins were a good mix of shielding shoulders and agility. Most of those mechs were pretty solid, and are still quite playable.

[Spheroid]

Escef, on 12 August 2018 - 04:48 AM, said:

Two of the T-bolts eventually became meta, as have a couple of the Battlemasters. Shadowhawks were the best pre-clan mediums in the game. Griffins were a good mix of shielding shoulders and agility. Most of those mechs were pretty solid, and are still quite playable.

Yeah so what, those same meta vaiants are in the T-bolt mastery package plus the Top Dog. Top Dog > TDR-5S.

My post is about pointing out you get can far better value of meta currently by wisely shopping than getting the original Phoenix packs.

I am Talon package owner. That same twenty dollars can get me a Rifleman, Bushwacker or Warhammer! For $15 I can get three Javelins that out perform everything in the Talon package. I like Locusts but the variants I use were all added later. The package is a poor value.

Overlord was only a good value if you intended on using most or all of the variants. Clearly that is not the case. The battlefields are not overrun with Wolverines at the moment.

Edited by Spheroid, 12 August 2018 - 11:39 AM.

[Tarl Cabot]

Escef, on 12 August 2018 - 04:48 AM, said:

Two of the T-bolts eventually became meta, as have a couple of the Battlemasters. Shadowhawks were the best pre-clan mediums in the game. Griffins were a good mix of shielding shoulders and agility. Most of those mechs were pretty solid, and are still quite playable.

They had become meta then were eclipsed. For meta it was the insane offensive quirks which were eventually blasted away. They were also of the tonnage that they actually fit nicely in the tonnage limits, either 240/250 at the time. It essentially it was a perfect storm for them, same for the wolverines. Both had their quirks severely reduced and have been replaced by newer mechs.

[Escef]

Chados, on 12 August 2018 - 06:17 AM, said:

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Tarl Cabot, on 12 August 2018 - 09:40 AM, said:

They had become meta then were eclipsed.

You can say the same thing about the Timber Wolf. The meta changes. The point was that the mechs were far from useless.

Edited by draiocht, 15 August 2018 - 10:47 AM.
Quote Clean-Up, reference

[Athom83]

Jackal Noble, on 10 August 2018 - 08:17 PM, said:

P stands for Phoenix. Was an early pack that is no longer available.

Still vastly prefer that bulkier Shadow Hawk and Wolverine than what we have in game. In general a lot of the mechs in game need more bulk to them, especially the ones that the lack of bulk make them into cardboard cutouts that are overly tall or too spindly looking (Shadow hawk, Black Knight Knight of Color, Grasshopper, Warhammer, et cetera).

[C E Dwyer]

In the case of the Phoenix Mechs

No vote came about, due to back lash from the buyers of the special packs, because of constant shafting by P.G.I.

They made a big deal about how exclusive the Extra's were going to be, and why we should buy it, and how this was a once in a life time deal.

The Phoenix colours were retreads of the P.C gamer free bee's with such minor shade difference as to look no different on the mechs.

The hotrod camo pattern was supposed to be exclusive to just those mechs.

P.G.I then a few weeks from launch turned it from Exclusive to Free, and refused to honour the initial sales pitch, despite irrefutable proof, they waved out the we have the right with you press the agree button, to shaft you, whenever we feel like it clause.

The Loyalty point bonus

Well

We had to wait over a year before faction play arrived, and then all the great things, and the reason for the loyalty point medallions and the ability to join the famous units never arrived, because P.G.I monetized the faction camo.

Many people felt scammed and there was outrage when P.G.I wanted to resell the packs, so they put it to the vote.

The vote came through as a Stuff you P.G.I you've treated us badly, your damn well keeping your word this time, or else.

But much like the OP T-54 in world of tanks it's now no longer available.

It split the community, between those that had paid and felt shafted, and those that want, but can't have.

Give it a couple of years, assuming the games still running, and I'm sure they'll be released again, as I doubt they'll be enough of the no voters playing, to raise serious objections.

I voted Against reissue, because as far as I'm concerned, when you say you'll do something, you act in good faith, and

Keep your word.


Sarah's Jenner

Well Sarah's Jenner happened at a time when while there were grumblings, P.G.I and the community, had a reasonable relationship.

It was done with the very best of intentions, and for me the Highest spot this game, The developers, and The community ever achieved together.

Nothing will ever come close.


The fact that such a good thing is being dragged through the mud not once, but Twice, because for some ideological reason it's getting tacked on to the Phoenix debate.

Makes me feel very sad.

[Escef]

Cathy, on 15 August 2018 - 03:35 AM, said:

Many people felt scammed and there was outrage when P.G.I wanted to resell the packs, so they put it to the vote.

To be fair, it was vocal members of the community that wanted it resold. The primary reason was because there were people that had some kind of bizarre ideological objection to having clan mechs in their garages, but wanted to qualify for the the original Loyalty mechs, specifically the KGC-000(L) and AS7-S(L). At the time there were no inner Sphere packs available, so the "I want!" crowd said they wanted Project Phoenix re-released so they could qualify for top tier rewards without purchasing clan mechs. After the re-release was voted down by the community, we got the first Resistance pack.

[Abaddun]

I just wanted to upgrade my pack.......

[Chados]

Jackal Noble, on 10 August 2018 - 08:17 PM, said:

P stands for Phoenix. Was an early pack that is no longer available.

I just liked the geometry and camo, it’s not the same as the regular variants. You know, the Invasion mechs in the Clan packs and the ® variants in the Resistance packs are like that. My R1 ® mechs look very different than the regular variants and I like the color schemes very much.

Edited by Chados, 15 August 2018 - 02:00 PM.

[Athom83]

Chados, on 15 August 2018 - 01:59 PM, said:

I just liked the geometry and camo, it’s not the same as the regular variants. You know, the Invasion mechs in the Clan packs and the ® variants in the Resistance packs are like that. My R1 ® mechs look very different than the regular variants and I like the color schemes very much.

Real mechs have Bulk!