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[Xander Grey]

Gyrok, on 02 January 2015 - 11:52 PM, said:

Heat reduction needs to go. I could care less about velocity, but I just fought against inferior pilots in terms of skill, and saw ERPPCs flying from every angle in such a manner that it was IMPOSSIBLE to trade because they NEVER overheated...

Heat scale is the only way to limit DPS in this game, and if it is unlimited...then 20+10 damage will fly continually...there are already macros for it.

Like the macros for the dire wolves with 5 UAC5s? How does it compare to five streak 6 stormcrows when it comes to one shotting lights?

Gyrok, on 02 January 2015 - 11:52 PM, said:

Heat reduction needs to go. I could care less about velocity, but I just fought against inferior pilots in terms of skill, and saw ERPPCs flying from every angle in such a manner that it was IMPOSSIBLE to trade because they NEVER overheated...

What makes you so confident the pilots were inferior to you? What was the score at the end?

[NannerHammock]

Gyrok, on 02 January 2015 - 11:52 PM, said:

Heat reduction needs to go. I could care less about velocity, but I just fought against inferior pilots in terms of skill, and saw ERPPCs flying from every angle in such a manner that it was IMPOSSIBLE to trade because they NEVER overheated...

Heat scale is the only way to limit DPS in this game, and if it is unlimited...then 20+10 damage will fly continually...there are already macros for it.

While I don't disagree with everything you said I said about the thunderbolt. This post is both arrogant and rude. It is also what people in the FPS world call an excuse for playing bad.
Your assuming that you are better than all the people that where running those thunderbolts, without knowing all/any of them. Please present your proof on how you are better? Did you live longer than the rest of your team? Did you get more kills than the rest of your team. Was it close on any of the games at all. (I wasn't there so I don't know, that is why I'm asking)

I do know that I have been on some mostly thunderbolt drops and they were really close, one we just had with CWI, was great, Would that mean that CWI is better than you, or worse?
I'm trying to make the point that maybe, just maybe you aren't as good as you think that you are, and that maybe the guys you where fighting are better than you think they are, and that making excuses for it only holds you back from becoming better.

[Gyrok]

Xander Grey, on 03 January 2015 - 12:14 AM, said:

Like the macros for the dire wolves with 5 UAC5s? How does it compare to five streak 6 stormcrows when it comes to one shotting lights?



What makes you so confident the pilots were inferior to you? What was the score at the end?

Who cares about streaks? They spread damage and are mostly ineffectual against mechs 55+ tons because of it. That is comparing a micro sized niche loadout to a mech that has quirks that make you able to hit lights on the run at 800m with 30 points of PP FLD and requires no ammo.

If that is your argument, you already failed.

The stormcrow does many things well...but the streak6 build is not one to brag about...unless you are facing 12 firestarters/jenners. Even then, if they are smart, they can stay out of range because you have no beam weapons to hit beyond streak range.

[Gyrok]

NannerHammock, on 03 January 2015 - 12:15 AM, said:

While I don't disagree with everything you said I said about the thunderbolt. This post is both arrogant and rude. It is also what people in the FPS world call an excuse for playing bad.
Your assuming that you are better than all the people that where running those thunderbolts, without knowing all/any of them. Please present your proof on how you are better? Did you live longer than the rest of your team? Did you get more kills than the rest of your team. Was it close on any of the games at all. (I wasn't there so I don't know, that is why I'm asking)

I do know that I have been on some mostly thunderbolt drops and they were really close, one we just had with CWI, was great, Would that mean that CWI is better than you, or worse?
I'm trying to make the point that maybe, just maybe you aren't as good as you think that you are, and that maybe the guys you where fighting are better than you think they are, and that making excuses for it only holds you back from becoming better.

Liking your own post is a bit arrogant.

Second...I have been playing this game for a long time, and I know many players, and have fought against many top comp teams many times (we used to scrimmage Lords back in the day...).

So, I am aware of skills based on that knowledge.

As for CWI, they are competent. While I expected to lose against the group we fought, due to the fact that we had mostly newer recruits...I have traded many times with comp players on many occasions...and the advantages of the T-Bolt became evident as they were back in the hey day of jump sniping. As it sits, this makes this build advantageous under any situation, especially considering the heat reduction. The rest of it I could honestly live with...the heat reduction is too much.

[MoonfireSpam]

Stormcrow and Timberwolves are weak now? Oh the humanity.

Edited by MoonfireSpam, 03 January 2015 - 12:26 AM.

[Xander Grey]

Gyrok, on 03 January 2015 - 12:20 AM, said:

Who cares about streaks? They spread damage and are mostly ineffectual against mechs 55+ tons because of it. That is comparing a micro sized niche loadout to a mech that has quirks that make you able to hit lights on the run at 800m with 30 points of PP FLD and requires no ammo.

If that is your argument, you already failed.

The stormcrow does many things well...but the streak6 build is not one to brag about...unless you are facing 12 firestarters/jenners. Even then, if they are smart, they can stay out of range because you have no beam weapons to hit beyond streak range.

Who said I am arguing with you? Am I inferior to you in an argument in the same manner as all those who faced you, and from the sound of it beat the daylights out of you with thunderbolts, are inferior?

[STEF_]

Gyrok, on 02 January 2015 - 11:52 PM, said:

I just fought against inferior pilots in terms of skill, and saw ERPPCs flying from every angle in such a manner that it was IMPOSSIBLE to trade because they NEVER overheated...

this is interesting. How do you know they were inferior?
'cause, you know, the ones who survive and win are superior, and the ones who die and lose are inferior, imo.

Do you prefer thunders desappear, esactly how they were before the buffs?
Why, on my way to master locusts, do I never have problems to chew those er-ppc builds?

from a previous thread about the argoment:
"Have you problem with aiming at long distance?
Have you problem with getting close range while piloting a brawler?
Do you want a game designed on your own skills?

Solutions: choose one:
a: L2P
b: Deal with it"

Edited by Stefka Kerensky, 03 January 2015 - 12:36 AM.

[Roland]

Bro, everyone knows the clan pilots are superior. Because reasons, dude.

[pwnface]

Gyrok, on 02 January 2015 - 11:50 PM, said:

As the most OP mech in the game it stops EVERYTHING. IS or Clans.

Disagree. There is actually a better IS sniper build and the TDR-9S is outclassed by a lot of things at brawl range.

[HBizzle]

pwnface, on 03 January 2015 - 12:41 AM, said:

Disagree. There is actually a better IS sniper build and the TDR-9S is outclassed by a lot of things at brawl range.

What would you consider better at this point?

[Gyrok]

Stefka Kerensky, on 03 January 2015 - 12:36 AM, said:

this is interesting. How do you know they were inferior?
'cause, you know, the ones who survive and win are superior, and the ones who die and lose are inferior, imo.

Do you prefer thunders desappear, esactly how they were before the buffs?
Why, on my way to master locusts, do I never have problems to chew those er-ppc builds?

from a previous thread about the argoment:
"Have you problem with aiming at long distance?
Have you problem with getting close range while piloting a brawler?
Do you want a game designed on your own skills?

Solutions: choose one:
a: L2P
b: Deal with it"

I have ZERO issues with aiming. However, when you are leading a target at range, when the point comes that you must lead so far that a change in trajectory of the target causes your otherwise successfully lead shot to miss, the weapon becomes ineffective at that range.

CERPPCs have a max effective range against lights around 500m, for quick mediums about 600m, and for assaults roughly 800m. This is due entirely to projectile speed.

***I AM FINE WITH PROJECTILE SPEED***

The issue is, with VASTLY reduced heat, it can be fired many times, and at a higher velocity in the 9S.

Additionally, who is to say the pilots you killed in the mech were competent? If you are comparing PUG drop pilots in this scenario...then you are drawing conclusions based off a very low common denominator. In a locust, you are likely using speed and SPLs to chew them up while they are trying to hit a light with PPCs up close (which is a skill only acquired after a long time playing PPCs and knowing the weapon extremely well).

[HBizzle]

Gyrok,

Why do you believe your pilots are better? Your unit, in premade 12 and 11 mans, lost repeatedly tonight against -MS- by overwhelming margins. So, why do you believe your pilots are better? Shouldn't they have prevailed over this perceived advantage you are claiming if they were in fact better pilots?

Edited by HBizzle, 03 January 2015 - 01:08 AM.

[Gyrok]

HBizzle, on 03 January 2015 - 01:07 AM, said:

Gyrok,

Why do you believe your pilots are better? Your unit, in premade 12 and 11 mans, lost repeatedly tonight against -MS- by overwhelming margins. So, why do you believe your pilots are better? Shouldn't they have prevailed over this perceived advantage you are claiming if they were in fact better pilots?

I never said all my pilots were better. In fact, I clearly stated (in my second post on this page) I expected to lose with the group we had because they were mostly new players...

I am saying that I even had issues trading against the ERPPC spam from that mech. That sends up a red flag to me. I knew you would win. Hence my comments at the end of the match. However, I also know that I have never dropped against another mech in CW or pugs that trades better than the 9S that most of your unit was running.

Clear as mud now?

Edited by Gyrok, 03 January 2015 - 01:12 AM.

[Roland]

Because of reasons.

[Ultimax]

HBizzle, on 03 January 2015 - 01:07 AM, said:

Gyrok,

Why do you believe your pilots are better? Your unit, in premade 12 and 11 mans, lost repeatedly tonight against -MS- by overwhelming margins. So, why do you believe your pilots are better? Shouldn't they have prevailed over this perceived advantage you are claiming if they were in fact better pilots?

Because if he says the people shooting him were better than him, he can't blame Thunderbolts.

[HBizzle]

Ultimatum X, on 03 January 2015 - 01:13 AM, said:

Because if he says the people shooting him were better than him, he can't blame Thunderbolts.

Winner, Winner, Chicken Dinner.

Edited by HBizzle, 03 January 2015 - 01:16 AM.

[EvilCow]

Ultimatum X, on 03 January 2015 - 01:13 AM, said:

Because if he says the people shooting him were better than him, he can't blame Thunderbolts.

Clan pilots are obviously better, the problem MUST BE the Thunderbolt, how else would you explain the defeat?

[Davegt27]

I would say to the OP prove it

Let’s see some stats or videos

Let’s see how the IS is kicking the clans butt

Post your win loss record so we can see how the thunderbolt is hurting you

[MarineTech]

Show us on the armor display where the bad Thunderbolt touched you.

[KharnZor]

Gyrok, on 02 January 2015 - 11:50 PM, said:

As the most OP mech in the game it stops EVERYTHING. IS or Clans.

Also, did not see the other thread.

LOL no