142 replies to this topic

[SolCrusher]

They want all mechs to be equal so you really have no difference. It's just the model that is different and everyone dies from a thousand paper cuts.

[MechaBattler]

They do not have to nerf things based on complaints. But they should take a look into it. And then make the decision themselves. As they have and probably will continue to do so. So should they. Besides the degree of nerf may not be up to the liking of the people crying for a nerf.

The level of quirk on the ERPPC is comically high. You could have four ERPPC and it would have the same heat as 3 regular PPC. Combined with velocity and cooldown quirks. It's pretty crazy. It just needs a bit of a tone down. Hopefully they just spread it out a little. I still think the IS needs a solid ranged platform to level the playing field.

[Navid A1]

to hell with clans... when a mid-range heavy mech out-classes the PPC granddaddy (awesome i mean) in its main role in every possible way... you know something is not right.

To top it all, the PPCs on that mech are positioned at the best possible place for peeking and not getting shot in the process.

[Pjwned]

daxiazun, on 04 January 2015 - 09:43 PM, said:

Because people whine and complain about a weapon does not mean you have to nerf it. The people complaining about the PPC are the same people who LRM spam!!!

Literally stopped reading there.

[That Token Canadian Guy]

Mcgral18, on 05 January 2015 - 03:48 PM, said:

Like hell.

You just don't want to lose your easy mode; because that's what the 9S is at the moment. Without any elite efficiencies, it performs better than most mastered Clan mechs, by the way.

7.5 heat ERPPCs. ERMLs are 6 heat for reference. It's easy mode to play in the PUG life. I have yet to even use a Coolshot.

Wait , wtf? easy mode? ummm the Clans are easy mode bud, are you serious about your statement, because of one mech you think its easy mode????ok then , we will change to ballistics . Once again you will start crying about them. See a pattern ?
If you want that one mech nerfed, how about nerf clan lrms even more? wait , you think that is unfair ? ok then , bring the clan lasers to IS standards, AND bring the clan laser damage down to IS standards. OH WAIT , MORE, how about nerf the clan speed, They clearly go faster then IS so ... NERF IT. MORE????? hell yes....Bring up the tonnage on clan weapons to IS standard. See a pattern here? You complain about one mech yet forget the clan mechs are far more superior then IS even with quarks. SJR has gone to Clans, and yet they had NP stopping the PPC push. They handled it just fine. Which means its not the IS mechs that is the problem. Its the clan pilots lack of skill it seems to over come something so simple to solve.

If other units are able, Whats the matter with the rest of you? So , EASY MODE.... not our fault you haven't realized you have the advantage and cry because better players beat you. PPC take skill to aim and it is a timing thing. Gonna cry about guass too??? Wow seems most of these clan people just want easy mode.....

[Mcgral18]

daxiazun, on 07 January 2015 - 03:38 PM, said:

Wait , wtf? easy mode? ummm the Clans are easy mode bud, are you serious about your statement, because of one mech you think its easy mode????ok then , we will change to ballistics . Once again you will start crying about them. See a pattern ?
If you want that one mech nerfed, how about nerf clan lrms even more? wait , you think that is unfair ? ok then , bring the clan lasers to IS standards, AND bring the clan laser damage down to IS standards. OH WAIT , MORE, how about nerf the clan speed, They clearly go faster then IS so ... NERF IT. MORE????? hell yes....Bring up the tonnage on clan weapons to IS standard. See a pattern here? You complain about one mech yet forget the clan mechs are far more superior then IS even with quarks. SJR has gone to Clans, and yet they had NP stopping the PPC push. They handled it just fine. Which means its not the IS mechs that is the problem. Its the clan pilots lack of skill it seems to over come something so simple to solve.

If other units are able, Whats the matter with the rest of you? So , EASY MODE.... not our fault you haven't realized you have the advantage and cry because better players beat you. PPC take skill to aim and it is a timing thing. Gonna cry about guass too??? Wow seems most of these clan people just want easy mode.....

You mean bring heat down from 150% levels? Sounds good, bud.


Why don't you pick up a NopeVa or a Badder and tell me about this "easy mode Clams".


9S is pretty darn cool, and could use a 10% heat de-buff, at the very least.



Of course, sorry, you don't want your easy button touched. My bad.

[That Token Canadian Guy]

I run clan mechs bud, and if you are having heat issues, sorry , you suck. Go back to training . Enough said , sick of your crying because you lack skill or know how . Peace.

[Mcgral18]

daxiazun, on 07 January 2015 - 03:48 PM, said:

I run clan mechs bud, and if you are having heat issues, sorry , you suck. Go back to training . Enough said , sick of your crying because you lack skill or know how . Peace.

So, you don't have an argument, I see.

You just want your half heat mechs? We can't even have 100%? Seems a tad bias.

[Blacksoul1987]

Mcgral18, on 07 January 2015 - 03:41 PM, said:

You mean bring heat down from 150% levels? Sounds good, bud.


Why don't you pick up a NopeVa or a Badder and tell me about this "easy mode Clams".


9S is pretty darn cool, and could use a 10% heat de-buff, at the very least.



Of course, sorry, you don't want your easy button touched. My bad.

Keep your hands off my easy button you filthy jaguar!

it is worth mentioning the 9s isn't overpowered in the public queue the timber is still better there. It may possibly be in CW due to low tonnage. I haven't played enough cw to really be sure I however don't like that its quirks are so much better than other ppc mechs.

[Mcgral18]

Blacksoul1987, on 07 January 2015 - 04:01 PM, said:

Keep your hands off my easy button you filthy jaguar!

it is worth mentioning the 9s isn't overpowered in the public queue the timber is still better there. It may possibly be in CW due to low tonnage. I haven't played enough cw to really be sure I however don't like that its quirks are so much better than other ppc mechs.

50% is a tad excessive.

40%, or a 20/20 split would make the eRPPC 9 heat, and the normal PPC 8 heat.


I think that would have been a better starting point. Still better heat than the 4 PPC stalkers era, but only half the high mounted firepower.

[Blacksoul1987]

Mcgral18, on 07 January 2015 - 04:05 PM, said:

50% is a tad excessive.

40%, or a 20/20 split would make the eRPPC 9 heat, and the normal PPC 8 heat.


I think that would have been a better starting point. Still better heat than the 4 PPC stalkers era, but only half the high mounted firepower.

Also the ppc without quirks is a useless piece of garbage they should fix that first then redo the quirks for ppc mechs.

[Mcgral18]

Blacksoul1987, on 07 January 2015 - 04:08 PM, said:

Also the ppc without quirks is a useless piece of garbage they should fix that first then redo the quirks for ppc mechs.

Longer recycle, faster travel speed?

5-5.5 seconds?

[Brody319]

Mcgral18, on 07 January 2015 - 04:14 PM, said:

Longer recycle, faster travel speed?

5-5.5 seconds?

PPC should have shorter recycle time and the same travel time as the ERPPC.

[Fate 6]

Aresye, on 04 January 2015 - 09:50 PM, said:

Each mech and weapon has its checks and balances. The main reason the Timberwolf is as powerful as it is, is because of broken jump jet animation and resulting HSR issues. I am 99% certain that if PGI simply fixed the TBR's jump jet animation, the mech would go from, "Crazy OP timber-tank," to a nice, "Sort of OP, best clan mech," category, which is where it should be in relation to the Clan mechs released thus far.

The problem with the Thunderbolt is that the normal balancing factor for PPCs (that is: heat), is no longer a factor. There's no reason "not" to take a 9S. Hop over to the Clan side and there's at least a few couple reasons "not" to take a Timberwolf.

^
This, 100%.

I also have problems with mechs like the DRG-1N getting 50% cooldown reduction on AC5s, effectively giving the mech 4 AC5s, which is much more than anything that size should be able to mount. Sure, the Dragon isn't the greatest mech, but that's no reason to massively overbuff it. The DPS coming out of it is just crazy. Why would I take a 3AC5 Ilya when the Dragon is basically 4AC5s and lighter and faster - much better for CW. What I'm saying isn't that the Dragon is now OP, but that it now makes many other AC mechs UP by comparison. It has a better AC5 quirk than the Wolverine, but it maybe evens out because the Wolverine has jump jets and is lighter which frees up room in CW. Compared to something like CTFs it just doesn't make sense and I feel no reason to pull a CTF out when I have a Dragon or even Wolverine instead. This is the problem with some quirks, such as with the 9S. Why take an Awesome? The answer is ONLY that you get more flat armor with an Awesome, the 9S is superior in every other way.

We could stand to nerf the quirks on the 9S a bit, but we don't need to nerf IS or Clan weapons at all right now. I feel like they are very even and the problem is with certain chassis being too strong with quirks or too weak because of lack of quirks or terrible models.

Edited by Fate 6, 07 January 2015 - 04:19 PM.

[Blacksoul1987]

Mcgral18, on 07 January 2015 - 04:14 PM, said:

Longer recycle, faster travel speed?

5-5.5 seconds?

there are a lot things they can do to make it useful depends how they feel it should fit in. erppc with 1300m/s at 5 sec would be a good place to start I think.

The way they have it now its basically like an energy autocannon. If that is what they want then they need to reduce the heat and remove the minimum range to make more competent at mid range.

[That Token Canadian Guy]

Mcgral18, on 07 January 2015 - 03:52 PM, said:

So, you don't have an argument, I see.

You just want your half heat mechs? We can't even have 100%? Seems a tad bias.

Point proven , you have no comprehension level of reading. I stated that if you can not handle your heat issues , learn . Simple concept. You complain about the 50% heat, and easy mode, yet you refuse to accept anything about clans and sticking to the ppc gripe. Clans are easy mode, and I, in clan mechs stomp. Just like any other mech. I dont have the heat issues you do , but that is probably because i manage my heat correctly.Stop trolling . Face the facts , you need more practice before you can compare weapons it seems.

[Mystere]

daxiazun, on 07 January 2015 - 06:06 PM, said:

Point proven , you have no comprehension level of reading. I stated that if you can not handle your heat issues , learn . Simple concept. You complain about the 50% heat, and easy mode, yet you refuse to accept anything about clans and sticking to the ppc gripe. Clans are easy mode, and I, in clan mechs stomp. Just like any other mech. I dont have the heat issues you do , but that is probably because i manage my heat correctly.Stop trolling . Face the facts , you need more practice before you can compare weapons it seems.

Translation: Yeah, I really have no argument. So I will just hurl an insult, deflect, and at the same time claim I am a super duper Mechwarrior.

daxiazun, on 07 January 2015 - 03:38 PM, said:

Wait , wtf? easy mode? ummm the Clans are easy mode bud, are you serious about your statement, because of one mech you think its easy mode????

While at the same time you are the one showing a reading comprehension problem. Mcgral18 was referring to the 9S as an easy mode Mech, and only the 9s.

[Mcgral18]

daxiazun, on 07 January 2015 - 06:06 PM, said:

Point proven , you have no comprehension level of reading. I stated that if you can not handle your heat issues , learn . Simple concept. You complain about the 50% heat, and easy mode, yet you refuse to accept anything about clans and sticking to the ppc gripe. Clans are easy mode, and I, in clan mechs stomp. Just like any other mech. I dont have the heat issues you do , but that is probably because i manage my heat correctly.Stop trolling . Face the facts , you need more practice before you can compare weapons it seems.

What?

I need practice to compare 50% heat weapons to 100, 120 and 150% heat weapons?


Are you sure you can Maths?

[That Token Canadian Guy]

So i have notice the last 2 clanners seem to think to turn concepts around wins, well then , since there is no explaining anything to you . I will enjoy killing you in game. I understood just fine about the 1 mech concept, You failed to understand the clans have more then 1 easy mode mech. You cry about heat. I have been running all day in clan mechs. You are right , there is a SLIGHT heat difference . Not even worth complaining about due to the fact you are putting on MORE weapons then the IS so naturally your heat will be higher. You must of forgot that simple part of the math. I will put my 9s away and kill you with other IS mechs in CW. Say , the DRG-1N as an example, or maybe a Griffen . Anything but the PPC so the OP clanners don't complain they can not beat it.Oh and have you seen the quarks on some of those clan mechs....... they need a tone down don't you think?

Edited by daxiazun, 08 January 2015 - 01:56 PM.

[That Token Canadian Guy]

Mcgral18, on 07 January 2015 - 06:21 PM, said:

What?

I need practice to compare 50% heat weapons to 100, 120 and 150% heat weapons?


Are you sure you can Maths?

You don't give up on this heat you hate so much.
All i see is MY HEAT MY HEAT MY HEAT.
You linked training to a scale system, not even gonna let you know what I really think of your SLOW MINDED THOUGHT PROCESS. Hate the heat and say IS is better, then go IS. Have an issue with clan heat , yell at PGI not the players.
Guess you are sick of being killed by PPC, i get it, ever think if you are far enough away and using ERLL's moving back and forth ,side to side so the PPC guy cant lock ya, and winning your trades. That is a far better solution then crying isn't it?
Once again if other Clan units are having no issues VS the 9s PPC. then I'm sorry , you are not cut out for CW and move on.