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[Bishop Steiner]

Chemie, on 09 January 2015 - 04:39 AM, said:

So I can buy a second on discount which reduces my lose when I sell it after the nerf. Not bad.

why stop at 2? Buy 3, and a FS9-A!!! The Perfect IS Drop Deck!

[Nightshade24]

Macster16, on 09 January 2015 - 05:24 AM, said:

The STK-4N is useless?

Wut?

As for giving it (ER)PPC quirks? I can just see it already....

REVENGE OF THE 4PPC-STALKER!!!

Stalker with quirks to boat PPCs would be certified OP. You think the butthurt the 9S is causing now is monumental? The STK would cause a tear in the fabric of space and time from the mass of whine it'll cause....

4N has less hardpoints then all other stalkers while the quirks are not that impressive.
Energy cooldown is nearly on all stalkers at a 2.5% difference isn't that much.

Large lasers are nifty and all if you like boating them in mass on a stalker but due to ghost heat you can't do that much beyond a regular stalker normally does.

Admit it, the stalker 4N is the least popular stalker out there and pretty much anyone who is thinking of getting more then 3 stalkers is getting this thign only now when it is on sale because it isn't worth full price.


The er ppc on the stalker 4N was a bit of a joke however it's along the basis that the Thunderbolt 9S is still the best PPC mech in the entire game.

It out does all clan mechs and it's only rivals si the normal PPC awesome as it can have a better output in a shorter range however ER PPC awesome still fails to justify it's existance.


4-6 ppc stalkers were not ever over powered. it was just one of the many 'quirky' builds back then that added huge viarity. It can throw HUGE pinpoint damage but then you have to hide for a half minute to cool off.

Simular said for the 6 SRM 6 catapult, or the 6 AC 2 jagermech. They just go outside of the norm and are not a 'meta' mech as they do not fit the requirements of being a meta (which is be able to support your own weight on the team no matter what happens. rather that be bad map, enemy ECM, etc.)


If you are really butthurt still about the stalker from those days then I have not much to say. If you stand there to be a good target for a 6 PPC stalker it is no one but your own fault... (funny. I just remembered that it was these thigns the reason why I ran a 9 flamer hunchback, flamer hunchback finding a ppc stalker is like a jenner finding a catapult!)

Also... min range... that does suck when a mech gets within min range on that very slow build...


Anyway, my original point is that that pretty much any mech deserves the er ppc quirks the thunderbolt 9S has or deserves it more.

[Nightshade24]

meteorol, on 09 January 2015 - 05:06 AM, said:

Given the typical TBR laservomit build, by "alphaing again and again" you mean exactly two alphas and shutdown on the third, even on ice cold maps like frozen city?
Or does your TBR C laservomiter use nothing but 3 ERML?

Geez guys, start judging things a bit objectively.

considering that 4 medium lasers is useless to 1 large pulse laser as it produces less heat and more range and stuff...

I hear a different story on what a laser vomit build is for the timberwolf.

1 day it's 4 er large lasers, the next it's 4 med 2 large pulse, and tomorrow it'll be 4 med pulse and 2 large.

[meteorol]

Lily from animove, on 09 January 2015 - 05:39 AM, said:

? what 4 CERMPL and 2 CLPLP can fire 3x on cold maps, so no idea you vomit wrong.

Yeah my bad i forgot pilot skills don't work on testing grounds. So you can fire 3 times if you start out at zero heat on the cold maps, and warm ones will still overheat you on the third alpha. Nethertheless you won't be able to alpha "again and again" without overheating.

Nightshade24, on 09 January 2015 - 05:57 AM, said:

considering that 4 medium lasers is useless to 1 large pulse laser as it produces less heat and more range and stuff...

I hear a different story on what a laser vomit build is for the timberwolf.

1 day it's 4 er large lasers, the next it's 4 med 2 large pulse, and tomorrow it'll be 4 med pulse and 2 large.

Doesn't really matter which build you use. Non of those you described will be able to alpha "again and again" because they are freaking hot. The insane heat is really the only shortcoming those builds have, but it's a major one.

Edited by meteorol, 09 January 2015 - 06:07 AM.

[Nightshade24]

meteorol, on 09 January 2015 - 06:01 AM, said:

Yeah my bad i forgot pilot skills don't work on testing grounds. So you can fire 3 times if you start out at zero heat on the cold maps, and warm ones will still overheat you on the third alpha. Nethertheless you won't be able to alpha "again and again" without overheating.



Doesn't really matter which build you use. Non of those you described will be able to alpha "again and again" because they are freaking hot. The insane heat is really the only shortcoming those builds have, but it's a major one.

partly hence my point.

people keep saying 'Timberwolf is op!" for reasons which the thunderbolt (not even the 9S... the 9SE, 5SS, and 5S out do it in any kind of build rather that be missile, short or long range energy, etc) can surpass or even a locust (if you take armour out of the picture)

It's a good mech compaired by the fact the other two mechs for clans do not have say...

Mad Dog = Has FF, no Endo.
Hellbringer = standard
Summoner = has FF, no Endo
Timberwolf = Has FF AND Endo.

If the Ebon Jaguar is released (expected in 2017... unless PGI release it early due to how it was only shown because a clan was getting seal clubbed and it was only a 2nd line mech, and clans atm are already getting beaten back so situation is matching!)

This mech is a 65 tonner with Endo, FF, XL 325, Low profile.
Has missile side torsos, duel ballistics, energy for both (on other variants) arms. can mount 4 missile WITHOUT jumpjets hard wired. Etc... this mech has everything "OP" about the stormcrow while being superior to the Timberwolf in MW: O standards...

This thing will most likely be cried OP as well but we all know that due to no quirks and stuff that this thing will still struggle a bit... it is a 65 tonner. Itis 10 tons lighter then the timberwolf and isn't JJ capable. I wouldn't think it'll be OP in MW: O but hey. apparently the timberwolf and stormcrow is!

[SirSlaughter]

Discount before the nerf as usual

[AlmightyAeng]

ackstorm, on 08 January 2015 - 10:34 PM, said:

Seriously its bad enough with QQ and LORD running almost exclusively TDR's as it is.

Now you are giving them discounts?!

Just means that there is a nerf incoming. We have a rich tradition here of putting things on sale that are about to be nerfed to squeeze the last bit of MC and C-Bills from our paying customers.

[lsp]

QQ and LORD are both clan green birds.

[Hydrocarbon]

Competitive people will use something if it's just 1% better. Look at any MMO game where you can trade/sell items to others - that one god item that is 1% better is 1000000% more expensive. Yet people will call for a 50% nerf or more because they die in a duel to a mech that is 1-2 shots from dying itself.

The 9S is not that great when a bunch of mediums or lights rush it, so I'd fully expect any ERPPC nerf to just be replaced with a different buff. In *any* map besides the CW ice map I average a decent 25% or more damage & kills with the thunderwub-5S vs the 9S.

BTW if you guys play around with the Smurfy website, you'll notice a GaussCat & dual-gauss Jager will mimic & even outdo the 9S in nearly every category. Yet they're less common because? Because they need a bit of skill to play & don't have infinite ammo. If the Jager could equip clan tech and jump jets, people would dump the 9S & gauss for it in a heartbeat.

Edited by Hydrocarbon, 09 January 2015 - 09:37 AM.

[Bhael Fire]

Mcgral18, on 08 January 2015 - 10:37 PM, said:

Remember what happens after sales.

Maybe they will pull a fast one and actually BUFF the TDR-9S instead of nerf it. That would be funny as hell.

[Lightfoot]

TDR's main problem is the CT that's bigger than the Awesome's. The mech just folds to anyone that can shoot straight even with all the armor in the front half. An organized team on a VOIP calling targets could use pea-shooters and beat a mixed group of players. ERPPCs are just the long ranged pea-shooters. I have used the TDR-9S with 3xERPPCs. Nice, but I went back to what I was already using which is much better. ERPPCs are too slow and hot even on the 9S, but it's a good mech. It's just not OP.

[Zoid]

The 9S is good mostly because it's so strong against Clan laserboats, which in turn are very strong against just about everything else. If it gets a nerf then the laserboats will need one as well.

[ThisMachineKillsFascists]

Zoid, on 09 January 2015 - 09:43 AM, said:

The 9S is good mostly because it's so strong against Clan laserboats, which in turn are very strong against just about everything else. If it gets a nerf then the laserboats will need one as well.

Zoid, on 09 January 2015 - 09:43 AM, said:

The 9S is good mostly because it's so strong against Clan laserboats, which in turn are very strong against just about everything else. If it gets a nerf then the laserboats will need one as well.

At least some with a clue here on the thread.

Edited by ThisMachineKillsFascists, 09 January 2015 - 09:45 AM.

[Ultimax]

Mcgral18, on 08 January 2015 - 10:37 PM, said:

Remember what happens after sales.

Stormcrow had a 45% sale.


Just sayin'.

[TercieI]

lsp, on 09 January 2015 - 09:27 AM, said:

QQ and LORD are both clan green birds.

Not any more.

[Tasker]

RIP Clan babbies.

Greetz 2 all honorable Kurita warriorz.

[Joseph Mallan]

Hydrocarbon, on 09 January 2015 - 09:36 AM, said:

Competitive people will use something if it's just 1% better. Look at any MMO game where you can trade/sell items to others - that one god item that is 1% better is 1000000% more expensive. Yet people will call for a 50% nerf or more because they die in a duel to a mech that is 1-2 shots from dying itself.

The 9S is not that great when a bunch of mediums or lights rush it, so I'd fully expect any ERPPC nerf to just be replaced with a different buff. In *any* map besides the CW ice map I average a decent 25% or more damage & kills with the thunderwub-5S vs the 9S.

BTW if you guys play around with the Smurfy website, you'll notice a GaussCat & dual-gauss Jager will mimic & even outdo the 9S in nearly every category. Yet they're less common because? Because they need a bit of skill to play & don't have infinite ammo. If the Jager could equip clan tech and jump jets, people would dump the 9S & gauss for it in a heartbeat.

LOL, I am as competitive as they get. I will fight anyone any day. Vass once said he would love to fight me in MW:O and leg my Atlas blah blah blah, I still wait for him to invite me to a a Private Match. All he has to do is shoot me a friend invite!

He challenged me not the other way around... In case you say I should friend him.

[kf envy]

there thinking there going to suck all the money out of people before they nerf the cheesebolt

[Necromonger Commander]

#CRYMORE
#YOURTEARSAREDELICIOUS
#LEARNTOPLAY

Edited by Necromonger Commander, 09 January 2015 - 10:26 AM.

[Revis Volek]

lsp, on 09 January 2015 - 09:27 AM, said:

QQ and LORD are both clan green birds.

Unless they resigned as of last night...QQ is NOT Green Chicken. Lords as far as i can tell are really a unit anymore. At least all the players i knew of from that unit are now playing with EmP for the FRR.

Zoid, on 09 January 2015 - 09:43 AM, said:

The 9S is good mostly because it's so strong against Clan laserboats, which in turn are very strong against just about everything else. If it gets a nerf then the laserboats will need one as well.

Clan laser boat cannot do 500 dmg a minute in a group of 8 or 9 where a group of 9S can surpass that....