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[Metus regem]

Jaroth Corbett, on 14 January 2015 - 05:10 AM, said:

Could we stay on topic please?

Yes my Loremaster.

I thought we were pointing out the power level difference in equipment between TT and MWO, to show just how much of a gap there is.

[Zanzen]

Has anyone seen this "tentative" outline of what is coming to Battletech? It's by a writer for the BT sourcebooks. https://benhrome.fil...tline-final.pdf

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Zanzen, on 14 January 2015 - 06:09 PM, said:

Has anyone seen this "tentative" outline of what is coming to Battletech? It's by a writer for the BT sourcebooks. https://benhrome.fil...tline-final.pdf

Yes I have seen that document and there is a distinct possibility that it is an April fools joke. In any case I fail to see how it relates to the question being asked as it is set post 3145 not 3052.

If post 3145 interests you there is already a thread discussing that topic.

[Risen]

So one of the Clans would have been the first to reach Terra and defeat the defenders, mostly ComGuards and maybe all the funny story heroes coming for the rescue.

The Clan winning Terra would be elected ilClan.

And the successor states would have probably stabilized their borders through war of attrition.
Just because the Clans reached their personal little goal it does not mean that all successor states bow to their race for the galaxy.
Maybe large parts of Kurita and Steiner space would be under Clan control, (former) Davion, Marik, and Liao would be completely untouched.
The clans would have needed to use their full military arsenal disregarding bidding and use of Warships to push considerably further imho, all depending on which clan would have won the race.

Played a nice TT scenario in a similar setting once, not using the clans but their equipment as evil ComGuards trying to subdue the galaxy

[IraqiWalker]

Risen, on 16 January 2015 - 05:28 AM, said:

So one of the Clans would have been the first to reach Terra and defeat the defenders, mostly ComGuards and maybe all the funny story heroes coming for the rescue.

The Clan winning Terra would be elected ilClan.

And the successor states would have probably stabilized their borders through war of attrition.
Just because the Clans reached their personal little goal it does not mean that all successor states bow to their race for the galaxy.
Maybe large parts of Kurita and Steiner space would be under Clan control, (former) Davion, Marik, and Liao would be completely untouched.
The clans would have needed to use their full military arsenal disregarding bidding and use of Warships to push considerably further imho, all depending on which clan would have won the race.

Played a nice TT scenario in a similar setting once, not using the clans but their equipment as evil ComGuards trying to subdue the galaxy

Control of the HPG network is what gives the clans dominance when they get to Terra. It will cripple the Successor states (Davion has black boxes, but that's extremely rare, and for military use only)


Also, for the record, it looks like we're getting jump jetting Dire wolves soon.

[Metus regem]

IraqiWalker, on 16 January 2015 - 10:23 AM, said:

Also, for the record, it looks like we're getting Dire wolves that can hover over pebbels soon.

Fixed that part for you Iraqi.

[Tyrnea Smurf]

Something to consider is the Clans would not gain full control of the HPG network even if they had won Tukayyid.

While Tukayyid was being fought, Comstar attempted Operation Scorpion, which caused at least the Federated Commonwealth and Draconis Combine to seize control of the HPG's on their worlds. Hanse mentioned he expected to take at least 80% or more of the stations they targeted, and was prepared for any planet who objected, or actually fell to Comstars control, to rely on Comstar to feed it.

So following the rabbit hole of the Clans winning Tukayyid, the Federated Commonwealth and Draconis Combine likely control most if not all there HPG stations in there space. Likely that the Free Worlds League stations follow suit and not surrender to Clan control (putting aside anyone from the Clan actually showing up to get the keys to the station house) and I can't see Liao sitting back passively as the only House Lord with no HPG network, nor him waiting passively for the Clans to restart service.

So in sum I never saw Comstar holding up their end of the bargain at Tukayyid, either way. Foght would have, but the Houses would never have sat back and lived with it. They would have seized those Stations either way.

Edited by Tyrnea Smurf, 16 January 2015 - 07:20 PM.

[IraqiWalker]

Tyrnea Smurf, on 16 January 2015 - 05:58 PM, said:

Something to consider is the Clans would not gain full control of the HPG network even if they had won Tukayyid.

While Tukayyid was being fought, Comstar attempted Operation Scorpion, which caused at least the Federated Commonwealth and Draconis Combine to seize control of the HPG's on their worlds. Hanse mentioned he expected to take at least 80% or more of the stations they targeted, and was prepared for any planet who objected, or actually fell to Comstars control, to rely on Comstar to feed it.

So following the rabbit hole of the Clans winning Tukayyid, the Federated Commonwealth and Draconis Combine likely control most if not all there HPG stations in there space. Likely that the Free Worlds League stations follow suit and not surrender to Clan control (putting aside anyone from the Clan actually showing up to get the keys to the station house) and I can't see Liao sitting back passively as the only House Lord with no HPG network, nor him waiting passively for the Clans to restart service.

So in sum I never saw Comstar holding up their end of the bargain at Tukayyid, either way. Foght would have, but the Houses would never have sat back and lived with it. They would have seized those Stations either way.

We're talking about a scenario where the clans just marched to Terra, no Tukayyid.

[Risen]

But the HPG network does not really have a center, so messages can be sent around planets.
So even if the Clans take Terra, and they have to move their through an invasion corridor Comstar still would have time to create a fallback plan to keep the network up in the rest of the IS.

Questionable would be if CS and their IS allies would rally whatever naval assets would be left to start the battle in space?
In terms of aerospace fighters the IS was in better shape than in mechs.

[IraqiWalker]

Risen, on 19 January 2015 - 02:01 AM, said:

But the HPG network does not really have a center, so messages can be sent around planets.
So even if the Clans take Terra, and they have to move their through an invasion corridor Comstar still would have time to create a fallback plan to keep the network up in the rest of the IS.

Questionable would be if CS and their IS allies would rally whatever naval assets would be left to start the battle in space?
In terms of aerospace fighters the IS was in better shape than in mechs.

Thing is. Comstar was helping the clans. They practically handed them the keys to the kingdom. However, once IlKhan whatshisname realized that the invasion is more likely to destroy the InnerSphere than to save it, he and the Comstar Precentor Marshall made a deal, and that's when the two hatched Tukayyid.

[Metus regem]

IraqiWalker, on 19 January 2015 - 12:22 PM, said:

Thing is. Comstar was helping the clans. They practically handed them the keys to the kingdom. However, once IlKhan whatshisname realized that the invasion is more likely to destroy the InnerSphere than to save it, he and the Comstar Precentor Marshall made a deal, and that's when the two hatched Tukayyid.

Sort of, Precentor Marshall Focht, once he learned from IllKhan Kerensky, that the end goal for the clans was Terra, he bargained for the battle of Tukayyid, if ComStar lost, they would become the administrative wing for the Clans, if they won, 15 years peace with the Clans...

[Skylarr]

Battle of Tukayyid

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Introduction

The world of Tukayyid was primarily an agricultural world in the Free Rasalhague Republic at the time of the Clan Invasion. The world was picked to be the site of a proxy battle fought for control of Terrabetween the Clans led by ilKhan Ulric Kerensky and ComStar's Com Guard led by Precentor Martial Anastasius Focht. The actual battle was broken down into Com Guard-defended objectives that the Clans would try to conquer. If the majority of these targets were conquered by the Clans then Terra would be allowed to fall into which ever clan could advance to it first. If the Com Guard successfully defended the majority of the targets, then the Clans had to abide by a 15 year truce with the Inner Sphere in which no Clan elements would cross the plane emanating from Tukayyid and extending to the edges of the Inner Sphere perpendicular to the Clan Occupation Zones.


Prelude
ComStar had operated under a policy of active co-operation with the invading clans since the Precentor Martial Anastasius Focht had met Ulric Kerensky during the early stages of the Clan Invasion. ThePrimus of ComStar, Myndo Waterly, saw the Clans as a unique tool to crush the Successor States, allowing their vision of a ComStar dominated future for the Inner Sphere to be brought into being. To this end, the First Circuit worked to help provide Clan Wolf with a great wealth of Strategic and Tactical intelligence on planets they planned to attack. And when those planets then fell to the Wolves, ComStar was engaged by the Clan to serve as administrators on their behalf, considerably smoothing occupation of these worlds and allowing the Clans Galaxies to quickly move on to fresh targets without needing to leave major concentrations of troops to secure their rear areas.

This policy of co-operation and administration was highly successful for the Wolves. While the pace of the Ghost Bears, Jade Falcons and Smoke Jaguars invasion increasingly slowed as they become bogged down in drawn out conquests of worlds, the Wolves surged ahead, ultimately resulting in the ilKhan calling a Grand Kurultai at Radstadt in an attempt to slow the Wolves down, a fateful decision that resulted in his death at the hands of Tyra Miraborg. It was however to prove a boon to ComStar with the election of Ulric Kerensky as ilKhan; their policy of providing information and administering worlds now became the policy of all the Clans, with the Precentor Martial himself serving as the personal envoy to the Clans from the First Circuit.


ComStar turns hostile
Primus Myndo Waterly arrived in Solsveda on Satalice to meet with the ilKhan for the first time on the 7th of January 3052, a day after the humiliating defeat of the Smoke Jaguars and Nova Cats at Luthien. Here it was shown for the first time to ComStar that the true goal of the Clans was in fact Terra itself, the home of ComStar for hundreds of years, core of the entire Inner Sphere HPG network and birthplace of the Star League. Under such a direct threat, ComStar could no longer remain neutral, but they in no way wanted to see Terra, humanity's birthplace, torn asunder by an enormous battle the likes of which the planet had not seen since 2777. Confronting the Clans, Precentor Martial Anastasius Focht was sent to ilKhan to issue a Batchall. A Clan Trial of Possession would be waged on a proxy world for control of Terra, the world of Tukayyid inside the rapidly diminishing Free Rasalhague Republic. All civilians would be evacuated from the planet well before the battle started, and ComStar and the Clans would each cover half of the cost of damages to civilian infrastructure resulting from this trial, set to begin in May of 3052.

While possession of Terra and ComStar was a clear outcome for the Clans should they win, the bidding was fierce over what precisely ComStar would gain should they win. Focht's initial position of a permanent truce line drawn at Tukayyid was countered by an offer for a one year truce, with both sides gradually reducing their positions until a fifteen year truce was bargained and done. Twenty-five Galaxies from seven Clans would face off against twelve entire Armies of the Com Guards (equivalent to 144 regiments), each Clan being assigned two objective cities to take. If ComStar won, they would buy the Inner Sphere invaluable time to fortify to the point of becoming an almost impossible target for the Clans to take on. If ComStar lost however, they may well have doomed the Inner Sphere to conquest by the Clans at a stroke.

Edited by Skylarr, 22 January 2015 - 11:47 PM.