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[Pedra Forlorn]

so im thinking about a new pc

right now my pc starts to feel its age and with mwo on it way, you know the story ^^

my setup right now is an old (even older then pc) 19" screen with is gonna be upgraded at some point to 22/24" up-to-date screen to make the gpu worth it. anyway i plan to keep the 19" on the side
also i have my tv connected to my pc for easy movie watching

the budget is gonna be around 1000/1100 euro
the plan is to set it up that in 2/3 years i will put in another gpu
abd trying to make it as silent as possible ( i have a "v8 engine" right next to me now >.<)

so far i put this together which im pretty sure off(i think )
case cooler master silencio
psu intel core i7 3770 3,4
memory CorsairVengeance CMZ8GX3M2A1600C9
ssd Samsung 830 series DesktopUpgradeKit64GB
hd Western Digital Caviar Green
gpu Club3D Radeon HD 7950 royalKing

now these are the things i can understand... with benchmarks and stuff and then compare price/performance ratios
but what i got no clue about are the fan's, powersupply and the mobo

mobo all seem the same to me. after some research it seems that not every mobo fits on every cpu and i i got to an asus p8h77-v-LE or gigabyte ga z77x d3h. still no clue what the difference and if they really are solid enough

fans --> cpufan? needs to be silent ofcourse but ofcourse do its work properly
again read somewhere that while my case might be very good on the noise but what keeps the noise in also keeps the heat in. i dont plan to do any overclocking so not sure how much this is gonna matter

power supply
well atleast enough to support the the second gpu later, so that gonna be like 750W ?
and again, silent

any other sugestions?
or am i missing something?

Edited by Pedra Forlorn, 28 June 2012 - 09:28 AM.

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Pedra Forlorn, on 28 June 2012 - 09:18 AM, said:

my setup right now is an old (even older then pc) 19" screen with is gonna be upgraded at some point to 22/24" up-to-date screen to make the gpu worth it.

It's not the size of your screen, it's the number of pixels you're pushing. 1920x1080, 1920x1200, 2560x1440, 2560x1600, or some form of surround gaming (triple screen). Make that choice first, then worry about inches and other monitor specs. A card that runs a 1920x1080 screen for gaming beautifully may struggle with a 2560x1600 resolution.

Pedra Forlorn, on 28 June 2012 - 09:18 AM, said:

so far i put this together which im pretty sure off(i think )
case cooler master silencio
psu intel core i7 3770 3,4
memory CorsairVengeance CMZ8GX3M2A1600C9
ssd Samsung 830 series DesktopUpgradeKit64GB
hd Western Digital Caviar Green
gpu Club3D Radeon HD 7950 royalKing

Nothing wrong with those, except for the HDD. I'd never, ever buy a "Green" version of the WD line. Always go "Blue" or higher. I prefer at least "Black" or "RE" series for regular drives, and "VelociRaptor" for performance.

Pedra Forlorn, on 28 June 2012 - 09:18 AM, said:

power supply
well atleast enough to support the the second gpu later, so that gonna be like 750W ?
and again, silent

For a 7950 card, 750 is fine. It really matters more what the power supply can do for amperage on the 12V rail(s). But generally a 700 or higher is fine for the type of system you want. You could even get by with a 600W PSU if it was a quality brand that was weighted more towards 12V.

Pedra Forlorn, on 28 June 2012 - 09:18 AM, said:

any other sugestions?
or am i missing something?

I'm sure some people will come along with Newegg lists for recommendations. Have you built a PC before?

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Pedra Forlorn, on 28 June 2012 - 09:18 AM, said:

my setup right now is an old (even older then pc) 19" screen with is gonna be upgraded at some point to 22/24" up-to-date screen to make the gpu worth it. anyway i plan to keep the 19" on the side
also i have my tv connected to my pc for easy movie watching

A couple things to consider here. 22" monitors are unable to get 1920x1200 resolution as they max out at 1920x1080. You must get a 24" monitor to get 1920x1200 (if choosing between the two).

Also, it sounds like you want to connect three displays connected at once. You should research if the GFX card you buy can drive three displays. Some have 2 DVI outs, and a display port out which can be used as a third (if you buy a special cable). Otherwise you can buy two GFX cards, but they will need to be able to fit on the mobo.

Pedra Forlorn, on 28 June 2012 - 09:18 AM, said:

psu intel core i7 3770 3,4

If you end up above your budget, I'd consider an i5 that runs at the same fequency as the i7. The main difference between the two CPU's are the additional two cores on the i7, which I doubt any game engine really utilizes atm. You'll see better performance with the i7 if you're compiling code or rendering large 3d scenes that can take advantage of more threads.

Pedra Forlorn, on 28 June 2012 - 09:18 AM, said:

but what i got no clue about are the fan's, powersupply...

You probably want to consider getting a better fan/cooling system for your CPU. As for the PSU, you don't need to exceed anymore than 750watts unless you're running like three video cards.

Pedra Forlorn, on 28 June 2012 - 09:18 AM, said:

mobo all seem the same to me. after some research it seems that not every mobo fits on every cpu and i i got to an asus p8h77-v-LE or gigabyte ga z77x d3h. still no clue what the difference and if they really are solid enough

Not all mobo's are compatible with some types of RAM too. Also make sure to choose a mobo that has all the PCI/PCIe slots you're going to need.

Hope that helps some.

[Pedra Forlorn]

ty for reply

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It's not the size of your screen, it's the number of pixels you're pushing. 1920x1080, 1920x1200, 2560x1440, 2560x1600, or some form of surround gaming (triple screen). Make that choice first, then worry about inches and other monitor specs. A card that runs a 1920x1080 screen for gaming beautifully may struggle with a 2560x1600 resolution.

i understand. right now my screen supports 1280/1024 max
probably will be 1920*1080 cause 2560*1600 means bigger screen too and to tell you the truth im already happy with my 19" size screen qua size. just a small upgrade would be nice.

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Nothing wrong with those, except for the HDD. I'd never, ever buy a "Green" version of the WD line. Always go "Blue" or higher. I prefer at least "Black" or "RE" series for regular drives, and "VelociRaptor" for performance.

noted,, i kinda figured it would be enough for just a storage drive. games will be installed on the ssd.

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Also, it sounds like you want to connect three displays connected at once. You should research if the GFX card you buy can drive three displays. Some have 2 DVI outs, and a display port out which can be used as a third (if you buy a special cable). Otherwise you can buy two GFX cards, but they will need to be able to fit on the mobo.

well the basicly the tv will be only for the movies(other side of the room).. dont know if it "drain" the gpu if it is off.. now its basicly an extended screen setup
my old monitor is still only a maybe..more an idea that came when i saw the artemis controler and that maybe somehow we can link the screen info from there to a second one
now considering.. the gpu if have listen does have a hdmi+2x dvi but is also more bulkier, will that be a problem when adding a second 1. or even when im gonna buy a second one will i have to buy the exaxt same one or can i get away with another version of the 7950

Edited by Pedra Forlorn, 28 June 2012 - 11:53 AM.

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Pedra Forlorn, on 28 June 2012 - 11:44 AM, said:

i understand. right now my screen supports 1280/1024 max
probably will be 1920*1080 cause 2560*1600 means bigger screen too and to tell you the truth im already happy with my 19" size screen qua size. just a small upgrade would be nice.

Good deal. The break between cheap and expensive is usually between 23" and 24". So up to a 23" monitor at HD (1920x1080) is where the deals are.

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Also...


Many options. I love IPS, but some don't like it for gaming and the extra cost. There's also a hybrid now between IPS and TN screens by Samsung, which gets the best of both worlds. Response time is another factor, but keep in mind that black to white response time is quite different than gray to gray (GTG). Also contrast ratio is just marketing as there's not standard to measure by, so a lot of contrast ratio math is just funny numbers. If you really want to know a contrast ratio, look for one that doesn't say "dynamic".

Generally I love top-end Dell monitors, but they're a mixed bad since they don't always use the same manufacturer for their screens. Samsung is generally great at the high end, but more expensive. NEC is almost always overpriced, and they focus on studio products, not gamers. HP is similar, but has some good gaming monitors as well. Acer is a good value for every-day monitors, but not the best for gaming. ASUS has some amazing bargains right now for good, solid, mid-line monitors. Avoid those bottom-of-the-barrel brands for gaming like Hans-G, and BenQ, even though they're fine for cheap monitors (but I wouldn't want to stare at them all day). Viewsonic monitors used to be great a decade ago, but now I'd rate them pretty low as I personally don't like them. Completely avoid Westinghouse for PC monitors.

Edited by cipher, 28 June 2012 - 12:17 PM.

[Hellgardia]

Pedra Forlorn, on 28 June 2012 - 09:18 AM, said:

so im thinking about a new pc

right now my pc starts to feel its age and with mwo on it way, you know the story ^^

my setup right now is an old (even older then pc) 19" screen with is gonna be upgraded at some point to 22/24" up-to-date screen to make the gpu worth it. anyway i plan to keep the 19" on the side
also i have my tv connected to my pc for easy movie watching

the budget is gonna be around 1000/1100 euro
the plan is to set it up that in 2/3 years i will put in another gpu
abd trying to make it as silent as possible ( i have a "v8 engine" right next to me now >.<)

so far i put this together which im pretty sure off(i think )
case cooler master silencio
psu intel core i7 3770 3,4
memory CorsairVengeance CMZ8GX3M2A1600C9
ssd Samsung 830 series DesktopUpgradeKit64GB
hd Western Digital Caviar Green
gpu Club3D Radeon HD 7950 royalKing

now these are the things i can understand... with benchmarks and stuff and then compare price/performance ratios
but what i got no clue about are the fan's, powersupply and the mobo

mobo all seem the same to me. after some research it seems that not every mobo fits on every cpu and i i got to an asus p8h77-v-LE or gigabyte ga z77x d3h. still no clue what the difference and if they really are solid enough

fans --> cpufan? needs to be silent ofcourse but ofcourse do its work properly
again read somewhere that while my case might be very good on the noise but what keeps the noise in also keeps the heat in. i dont plan to do any overclocking so not sure how much this is gonna matter

power supply
well atleast enough to support the the second gpu later, so that gonna be like 750W ?
and again, silent

any other sugestions?
or am i missing something?

Where are you from and where do you want to buy the components?
To get some silence you should get some Noctua fans as they are very efficient and silent fans.

Using prices around Europe (just so you can have an idea):
Case: Bitfenix Shinobi Black + 3x Noctua NF-F12 PWM - 49€ + 3x 15€ - 94€
PSU: BeQueit Pure Power L8 730W 80+ Bronze - 91€
Motherboard: AsRock Z77 Extreme4 - 130€
CPU: Intel Core i5 3570K - 219€
Cooling: Antec H20 620 - 49€
RAM: Patriot G2 8GB (2x4GB) DDR3 12800 - 49€
Graphics Card: MSI Radeon HD7870 Hawk - 340€
SSD: OCZ Agility 4 64GB - 72€
HDD: Western Digital Caviar Blue 500GB SATA III - 69€

Total - 1113€

It should give you a great gaming experience while being silent.
The components were chosen not only because they are great performers but they also overclock very well.

Cheers

Edited by Aniquilator6, 29 June 2012 - 12:08 AM.

[Pedra Forlorn]

so i got this list now

case cooler master silencio 70
cpu intel core i7 3770 3,4 265
RAM Corsair Vengeance CMZ8GX3M2A1600C9 2x4 gb 50
ssd Samsung 830 series Desktop Upgrade Kit 64GB 60
hd Western Digital Caviar blue 60
gpu Sapphire HD 7950 GHz Edition OC 2GB GDDR5 330
power supply be quiet! Pure Power L8 730W 50
mobo Asrock Z77 Extreme4 130
cooling antech H2O 620 50
total € 1065

what makes the asrock mobo better then the ones i mentioned?

water cooling is new to me. does it give more maintenance? or other problems? it obviously cools better then a fan with less noise

the ssdfrom your list . same price again why this over the other

cpu wont save money on this one... cant replace it later so want this one to last a little longer

gpu - 7870 looks nice for the price stil not 100% sold for that one tho

probably wont overclock

Edited by Pedra Forlorn, 29 June 2012 - 09:09 AM.

[cipher]

Components look fine so far.

Some advice on two of them...

Pedra Forlorn, on 29 June 2012 - 09:03 AM, said:

cooling antech H2O 620 50

(...)

probably wont overclock

Don't bother with a closed-loop CPU cooler. They're more expensive than air cooling, they can cause vibration which is more noise, and they don't always work as well as top-end air coolers. If you go liquid cooling, go with a custom system. But that's far too expensive and requires maintenance that the average game doesn't want to deal with. Worse, you're not overclocking, so you don't really need a fancy CPU cooler.

Save yourself some money and get a reliable, efficient air cooler. A Xigmatek SD1283 is around half the price at $30 and will probably work just as well as the closed loop Antec cooler. http://www.newegg.co...N82E16835233082

That Xigmatek is a proven design that's been around since 2008! Adapted over time and given brackets/hardware to fit newer sockets. The 1283 has exposed heat pipes that make direct contact with the CPU's own head spreader. Old review: http://www.legitrevi.../article/755/1/. Newer review (end of 2011): http://www.eteknix.c...-cooler-review/. It's also less noisy than the closed-loop liquid coolers.

Pedra Forlorn, on 29 June 2012 - 09:03 AM, said:

power supply be quiet! Pure Power L8 730W 50

Try one of these 750W power supplies instead of that cheap thing...

$100 ($80 after MIR) Corsair: http://www.newegg.co...N82E16817139021
$100 Cooler Master: http://www.newegg.co...N82E16817171053
$110 ($90 after MIR) PC Power & Cooling (OCZ): http://www.newegg.co...N82E16817703027
$130 Enermax http://www.newegg.co...N82E16817194086
$130 SeaSonic http://www.newegg.co...N82E16817151107

Pedra Forlorn, on 29 June 2012 - 09:03 AM, said:

the ssdfrom your list . same price again why this over the other

The other poster recommended an OCZ Agility. I would not recommend that. Your 830 Samsung is a fast and reliable SSD with all Samsung chips! If you ever wanted to consider OCZ (which is a good SSD brand), I'd go with the OCZ Vertex line, but not the Agility line.

Edited by cipher, 29 June 2012 - 09:59 AM.

[Pedra Forlorn]

seems like im pretty much there then

@ the limit of my budget (exact lol)

case cooler master silencio 70
cpu intel core i7 3770 3,4 265
RAM Corsair Vengeance CMZ8GX3M2A1600C9 2x4 gb 50
ssd Samsung 830 series Desktop Upgrade Kit 64GB 60
hd Western Digital Caviar blue 60
gpu Sapphire HD 7950 GHz Edition OC 2GB GDDR5 330
power corsair tx750vs 100
mobo Asrock Z77 Extreme4 130
Xigmatek Gaia SD1283 Heatpipe Cooler 120mm 30
total € 1100

for screen im probaly gonna get a dell ultrasharp u2412m or maybe acer gd245hq

Edited by Pedra Forlorn, 29 June 2012 - 11:35 AM.

[cipher]

Pedra Forlorn, on 29 June 2012 - 11:15 AM, said:

seems like im pretty much there then

@ the limit of my budget (exact lol)

case cooler master silencio 70
cpu intel core i7 3770 3,4 265
RAM Corsair Vengeance CMZ8GX3M2A1600C9 2x4 gb 50
ssd Samsung 830 series Desktop Upgrade Kit 64GB 60
hd Western Digital Caviar blue 60
gpu Sapphire HD 7950 GHz Edition OC 2GB GDDR5 330
power corsair tx750vs 100
mobo Asrock Z77 Extreme4 130
Xigmatek Gaia SD1283 Heatpipe Cooler 120mm 30
total € 1100

for screen im probaly gonna get a dell ultrasharp u2412m

Awesome. And you'll love that monitor as it's LED backlit and an IPS panel. I have a 30" and 23" inch of their UltraSharp line, one is newer LED backlit and the other is older CCFL backlit, but both IPS panels.