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[Jaroth Corbett]

Karpundir, on 16 January 2015 - 07:23 PM, said:

He tells the truth... QQ Mercs chose to come to CSJ and prefers to fight CGB instead of a weakened and divided Kurita, The idea being that MS and CI were still in CGB at the time. Even though I was tipped that CI was going to go to Steiner, I didn't see a contract change yesterday and thought it may have been misdirection, so our mercs voted and decided to go CSJ instead of CJF.

QQ Mercs are here for fights, but we are also here to temper the expansion of CGB as they are clearly here to push anyone out of their way to Terra by using sheer numbers. By allowing them free access to Kurita and FRR space, do you Jaguars not realize that you are being cut-off more and more to Terra? Eventually, you will have to fight CGB, but by that time they may be too big of a juggernaught to take on by being too deep into Kurita territory.

I can tell from your threads that Jaguars feel proud and strong. Prove who is truly worthy of Terra and do not let some sneaky Bears rob you of your end goal. Prove you have what it takes to fight Wolves (oops, I meant Bears!) and not a scattered Kurita faction that poses little opposition.

This is so funny & stupid at the same time. You say you are here for fights, OK cool, I have no problem with that. My problem is how stupid you sound. Your words are transparent. We see right through them. For the invasion, the Clans were issued attack corridors. CJF gets the FC, CW gets the FC & the FRR, CGB gets the FRR & DC and CSJ gets the DC. You want to temper GB expansion? Then contract with either the FRR or the DC. How about that? You would be directly fighting CGB to prevent them from taking worlds and/or reclaiming the ones that were lost.

Then you try to paint the Jags as the pets of the Bears? Really? What are you, 12? And what sneaky Bears? Our attack lanes were set in the lore long ago & yes, PGI has shifted everything a bit to the left, but it still gives us what we are supposed to get. We already know the IS cried to mercs to fly Clan sigils to get them to sow discord. As you can see from the responses of the Jaguars, it is not working. The Clans have already agreed just as in the lore, not to fight each other but focus on driving to Terra. Your masters have **** themselves at the progress we have made, so this is the only thing they can do to slow it. Well good luck with that.

You are offering your services to units that neither needed nor wanted your aid then making it sound like you are doing it all for them & it is in their best interest to have you. You stink of desperation. The descendants of Kerensky do not hire mercs. Go back & tell your masters that the Clans are united.

Edited by Jaroth Corbett, 17 January 2015 - 03:02 AM.

[Von Blumen]

Mercenary - a professional soldier hired to serve in a foreign army.

What is wrong with CW - no one hired you.

The attack is south, through Kurita and towards Terra. Want to be a merc, fine join the front. Want to be a greifer, continue what you are doing.

Dracol, on 16 January 2015 - 11:07 PM, said:

Well, considering Karp, Jman, and the rest of the QQ crew captured Byesville without your support, I don't think they'll miss it.

Bears understand what is going on and they are not wasting their time. If they want their planets back, they can have them.

Odyssey420, on 16 January 2015 - 11:21 PM, said:

So far fighting Kurita space we haven't seen a single 12 man. It's been pugwarrioronline.we can force 12 mans to come from bear and put up a real fight, Do the rest of you in CSJ truly enjoy fighting such a low quality of players?

Alt account/new guy...lol nice try....

Vlad Ward, on 16 January 2015 - 11:25 PM, said:

I'm with this guy. RP is all fun and stuff if you're into that kind of thing, but there are plenty of units that aren't and a line has to be drawn when dealing with them. If I wanted other people telling me what to do all the time, I wouldn't be a unit leader.

Whipping people into a frenzy or smack talking "rogue" units for doing things you may not want them to do will only drive good pilots out of your faction. Play space politics with the ghost bears all you want, just don't pretend that you have any control over or ability to disincentivize PUGs or units who aren't interested in RP'ing with you or otherwise playing along with your master plan. So long as both parties (In this case, CSJ and CGB) understand that, there shouldn't be any problems between you.

CW is meant to be played by the...wait for it...COMMUNITY....Go have fun plugging away against the bears. Seriously, though if you want to win at COMMUNITY warfare, then you have to play with a ....well hopefully you get the picture. I mean if these guys wanted some Clan vs. Clan action, go Clan Wolf and hit the Falcons or the Bears. They didn't do that, why? Because CSJ is the biggest clan threat right now. So the way I see it, Vlad (and you are a good player, dropped with you a few times) get on board or take your group of 20 or so and link up with QQ...who is also deep in this RP space politic thing....

Edited by Von Blumen, 17 January 2015 - 12:13 AM.

[Jaroth Corbett]

Karpundir, on 16 January 2015 - 10:08 PM, said:

I must ask this of all Jaguars: Are you working for CGB to advance to Terra or do you desire to take Terra yourselves?

I say this because your current course of action is that of assisting CGB to reach Terra at a much faster pace than you can achieve with just attacks on Kurita planets and you are being pushed AWAY from Terra as CGB penetrates a more direct route to Terra via FRR/Kurita borders.

You may denounce QQ's position today, but in due time you will come to understand the fallacy of your alliance. CGB benefits from this far more than CSJ does considering your fierce forces are wasted on just 1 front. If you want an alliance, you would benefit more from one with CJF and/or Clan Wolf where you can help defend each others' planets without ever having conflicts of interest on attack lanes toward Terra.

A CSJ attack into CGB territory happens to have ancillary benefits to the other non-CGB Clans and we will welcome any who have the wisdom and foresight to see what I am seeing.

My final question... are you the Jaguars who are free and strong to do your will OR are you merely pets for the Bears?

And I ask this of you.... if you have a problem with CGB pummeling the FRR & the DC then why not contract with the FRR or DC? Oh, then you will not get to use your Clan mechs quiaff? Gotcha. Carry on little QQ mercs, carry on.

[Vlad Ward]

Von Blumen, on 17 January 2015 - 12:10 AM, said:

CW is meant to be played by the...wait for it...COMMUNITY....Go have fun plugging away against the bears. Seriously, though if you want to win at COMMUNITY warfare, then you have to play with a ....well hopefully you get the picture. I mean if these guys wanted some Clan vs. Clan action, go Clan Wolf and hit the Falcons or the Bears. They didn't do that, why? Because CSJ is the biggest clan threat right now. So the way I see it, Vlad (and you are a good player, dropped with you a few times) get on board or take your group of 20 or so and link up with QQ...who is also deep in this RP space politic thing....

All I'm talking about is being a tad more inclusive, or even understanding. Tolerant would be a bare minimum. At the end of the day, it's not up to anyone else to tell me or my unit's members how to play this game mode. I don't enjoy unit politics, so I avoid them whenever possible.

Does that mean we shouldn't play CW? I don't think so. We play it quite a bit, and we enjoy it. It's a fun game mode. What makes it less fun is when people start beating their chests on the forums and telling us to take a hike because we're not interested in attending their council meetings or meeting up for Sunday brunch.

Feel like opening up a second attack line for your faction? Taking a new world? Not throwing yourself at the one planet other people are attacking right now? Better prepare your anuses, because e-ceasefires agreed to by a handful of dudes with teamspeak tags are worth lambasting people over.

QQ are good guys. They're solid pilots. Making their tenure in your faction less fun is the last thing you want to do if you care about the fighting strength of CSJ. More importantly, it's just a **** move. Our unit has already crossed off Kurita from the list of possible contracts for the near future due to the enormous dickitude experienced there. If this many factions insist on continuing to treat their incoming merc units badly, it won't be long before everyone's playing Liao.

[Odyssey420]

What alt account? I just never come on forums. Been QQ since closed beta.

[Volkodav]

Karpundir, on 16 January 2015 - 10:08 PM, said:

I must ask this of all Jaguars: Are you working for CGB to advance to Terra or do you desire to take Terra yourselves?

I say this because your current course of action is that of assisting CGB to reach Terra at a much faster pace than you can achieve with just attacks on Kurita planets and you are being pushed AWAY from Terra as CGB penetrates a more direct route to Terra via FRR/Kurita borders.

You may denounce QQ's position today, but in due time you will come to understand the fallacy of your alliance. CGB benefits from this far more than CSJ does considering your fierce forces are wasted on just 1 front. If you want an alliance, you would benefit more from one with CJF and/or Clan Wolf where you can help defend each others' planets without ever having conflicts of interest on attack lanes toward Terra.

A CSJ attack into CGB territory happens to have ancillary benefits to the other non-CGB Clans and we will welcome any who have the wisdom and foresight to see what I am seeing.

My final question... are you the Jaguars who are free and strong to do your will OR are you merely pets for the Bears?

How serious are your intentions in CSJ?. How many days do you have a contract?

We also merc with one company Clan Nova Cat (TAU). But we adhere to the agreements. And, at the moment, we agreed within our unit as follows: alternate between clans \ sphere, with the condition that if IS contract, then of any other than Kurita (not protect Kurita), and preferably clans always Jaguars.

[Volkodav]

And, initially, in the history BT, Clans attacked Luthien. It is a pity that there is capital planet not available for attack )

1 jump to DC capital.

Edited by Volkodav, 17 January 2015 - 01:10 AM.

[Abivard]

I am Curious...when CGB has -MS- and -CI- doing for CGB what QQ is doing for the FRR why were you all silent, or even for some of you, condoning it as a legitimate tactic of war?

[Volkodav]

In order not to destabilize the relations within and between factions allies. First, discuss your plans,then attack, and at least notifying the rest of the fraction.

[Revis Volek]

You QQ guys are lost, quiaff?

Enjoy the Massages, Anime and Cuisine while you are here (From Liberated Kurita worlds Courtesy of the Smoke Alliance).

Don't let the door hit ya.

[Alexander Steel]

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Mercenary - a professional soldier hired to serve in a foreign army.

What is wrong with CW - no one hired you.

Mercs are hired by the Khan who is an NPC and not by players.

[Revis Volek]

Alexander Steel, on 17 January 2015 - 02:04 AM, said:

Mercs are hired by the Khan who is an NPC and not by players.

You are NOT hired by anyone, we the players are allowed to do as we wish for any clan/ IS House we wish.


Its hardly the same thing...you are not EMPLOYED because you cannot be FIRED just here taking it in as we are.... on the way to TERRA.

Vlad Ward, on 17 January 2015 - 12:28 AM, said:

Feel like opening up a second attack line for your faction?

NOPE

Edited by DarthRevis, 17 January 2015 - 02:15 AM.

[Von Blumen]

Vlad Ward, on 17 January 2015 - 12:28 AM, said:

All I'm talking about is being a tad more inclusive, or even understanding. Tolerant would be a bare minimum. At the end of the day, it's not up to anyone else to tell me or my unit's members how to play this game mode. I don't enjoy unit politics, so I avoid them whenever possible.

So you and your unit are not team players. Good to know. 14 day contract too...
They do have public drops and I hear Liao space is beautiful this time of year

Vlad Ward, on 17 January 2015 - 12:28 AM, said:

Does that mean we shouldn't play CW? I don't think so. We play it quite a bit, and we enjoy it. It's a fun game mode. What makes it less fun is when people start beating their chests on the forums and telling us to take a hike because we're not interested in attending their council meetings or meeting up for Sunday brunch.

It is fun because it is supposed to be played by a community, one that has been established and enjoys playing with each other, you know kind of like the community we have in CSJ. That is why CSJ is such a threat right now, we coordinate and we are a pretty tight knit group that is good on communication. But you have already established that you and your unit are not here to be team players, but are here instead to help throw a wrench in the way we play the game. The minority here is you and you are effecting the majority and the way we play, in other words a griefer...

Vlad Ward, on 17 January 2015 - 12:28 AM, said:

Feel like opening up a second attack line for your faction? Taking a new world? Not throwing yourself at the one planet other people are attacking right now? Better prepare your anuses, because e-ceasefires agreed to by a handful of dudes with teamspeak tags are worth lambasting people over.

No, we don't and we made that loud and clear. The community here does not want to open a second front, because, you know we established that as a community (notice a trend). It is how the game is played. Community makes the rules, check with Russ and PGI (or any other community centered game) for further support of that quote, in fact I believe he stated that during the last meeting just 2 days ago, community politics is being decided by the player base and they like that. You want to do your own thing. That is cool, we are in beta and don't have a way to stop you, yet. So have fun, but people will remember and you said this is a fun game mode, so if you would like to continue to play, maybe you should abide by the community that you are playing for, or you might find yourself on the sidelines a lot once CW is released in full. Mercs do like to make money and take contracts, eventually the community will have the power to make such contracts, so like I said, shame if some communities remember that you and your mercs are not team players, but I digress, you did allude to the fact that you are not a team player and neither is your group.

Vlad Ward, on 17 January 2015 - 12:28 AM, said:

QQ are good guys. They're solid pilots. Making their tenure in your faction less fun is the last thing you want to do if you care about the fighting strength of CSJ. More importantly, it's just a **** move. Our unit has already crossed off Kurita from the list of possible contracts for the near future due to the enormous dickitude experienced there. If this many factions insist on continuing to treat their incoming merc units badly, it won't be long before everyone's playing Liao.

QQ is an awesome group of pilots. Hard fought too. I can't help but give them some respect for the move that they are making, trying to split the front. Too bad we see through it. A for effort. You are just jumping on their bandwagon, because well hey, you want to do what you want to do (unless this is a very sad Kurita attempt to undermine CSJ's front, which I doubt.) Well Kurita didn't want you over there, possibly because you didn't want to play by their rules (kind of see a trend). Mercs units like that we don't want or need (pretty sure Liao doesn't either, but hey you can give them a shot).

Edited by Von Blumen, 17 January 2015 - 02:43 AM.

[Jaroth Corbett]

Abivard, on 17 January 2015 - 01:10 AM, said:

I am Curious...when CGB has -MS- and -CI- doing for CGB what QQ is doing for the FRR why were you all silent, or even for some of you, condoning it as a legitimate tactic of war?

What do you mean ALL? First off nobody in our Clan knew we could even have mercs to begin with. The Clans NEVER hired mercenaries & in fact it was the Ghost Bears that declared the mercs dezgra in the lore. We spoke out against it from the jump. What nonsense are you talking? We had no control over it then & still do not now.

Edited by Jaroth Corbett, 17 January 2015 - 03:18 AM.

[Noesis]

It isnt a problem really.

It wont help to destabalsie things as planets have nothing more than prestige. And all they are doing is passing planets from Clan to Clan that can be returned.

In fact we could allow a "swap" protocol whilst this is occuring that CGB can attack a planet as a reciprocated gift to undermine QQ efforts. They would then have to double up with their last minute ninja attacks for this to then work at all as per the idea of transfering planets as they would have to defend aswell as attack. At least it would handle any attempts to cut off CGB as QQ would effectively own an island of a planet that they move each night in their sight seeing of Clan space in theory.

Whilst they are doing this and declaring themselves MERCs of the Inner Sphere and therefore supposedly championing their cause not the Clans? However with this action they are in fact not defending IS space and actually have been observed helping to attack IS territories in the process. So as a result they are in fact blatantly failing in their activities as being defenders of IS interests and literally wasting their time attacking planets that in the present gameplay yields no benefit other than a tag.

Let them plant flags if they like and waste their time with these efforts, especially if it makes the road to Terra all the more easier.

Edited by Noesis, 17 January 2015 - 03:56 AM.

[CyclonerM]

Alexander Steel, on 16 January 2015 - 11:52 PM, said:

Keep in mind that much like Highlander, in the end there can be only one. So at some point the Clans will start to fight each other, if for no other reason that once a Clan becomes the Ilclan, it "wins" game over and they all want that honor.

As you pointed out later, we may have to take Terra. I am pretty sure there will be more Clan vs Clan warfare than you can endure after a Clan reaches Terra. So why creating this mess anticipating the massive war that may start eventually? :)I

Jaroth Corbett, on 17 January 2015 - 12:10 AM, said:

Go back & tell your masters that the Clans are united.

So shall it be until we all shall fall. Seyla!

Edited by CyclonerM, 17 January 2015 - 04:55 AM.

[Noesis]

JTSR, on 17 January 2015 - 04:54 AM, said:

just something to remember anything typed in the PGI forums can be read by anyone including your enemies.

Fully aware and sometimes intelligence can be used with value to enact and degrade those efforts before they become a reality perhaps? This is the value of intelligence, "using it", not hiding it in a vault sometimes that then does not have value.

This then a calculated way of undermining these things prior to them becoming a reality, but with the expectation that both sides realise this and will likely say that they don't care they are just here to have fun as a MERC unit despite any philosophies they would like to instill in the hearts of the MWO populace.

Demonstrating the lack of strategical foresight on trying to destabalise a galavanising CGB and CSJ relationship like this then a pretty futile and cosmetic exercise as a result. These kind of tactics should really be applied to groups that have tenuous links or with some level of dissorganisation and miss-trust already as was evidently apparent in other factions from recent history. But the scenario is different here since CGB and CSJ have already formed a strong relationship with a history of protecting each others interests.

So let ISMA flail around in Clan space to little effect and let them know we are not afraid of their activities nor are we not enlightened to the idea of what they are trying to achieve. I doubt at the same time they are not completely alien to these concepts as described and it is only in some semblance of faith or other relationship elsewhere that they are likely doing this. Especially if they are trying to get their name on the board now as an alliance.

However this alliance has members who have been known to break agreements with other factions also so it will be interesting to see how serious they are about these things if they wish to prove themselves. And in the meantime whilst we are here then the Clan will continue on their progression to Terra and this IS defender will be shown to be pretty ineffectual as per their mandate, especially if they are helping the push to Terra in the process.

Edited by Noesis, 17 January 2015 - 05:55 AM.

[Vlad Ward]

Von Blumen, on 17 January 2015 - 02:25 AM, said:

So you and your unit are not team players. Good to know. 14 day contract too...
They do have public drops and I hear Liao space is beautiful this time of year

It is fun because it is supposed to be played by a community, one that has been established and enjoys playing with each other, you know kind of like the community we have in CSJ. That is why CSJ is such a threat right now, we coordinate and we are a pretty tight knit group that is good on communication. But you have already established that you and your unit are not here to be team players, but are here instead to help throw a wrench in the way we play the game. The minority here is you and you are effecting the majority and the way we play, in other words a griefer...

So basically, because I'm willing to walk in here and say "Hey guys, some people enjoy playing this game mode a different way than you do", and "Maybe you shouldn't be such jerks to them all the time", suddenly no one in my unit is a team player and we're all just griefers. Right.

Hopefully the real majority got the message. I can understand where some of you are coming from. I really can. It must be frustrating to put all that effort into your RP and space politics only to see these random people coming in and doing things you don't want them to do. But the fact is you can't do anything about it, and you will never be able to do anything about it. Throwing a tantrum and trying to ruin other people's enjoyment of the game because they're not playing by your rules is just mean and petty.

Live and let live, bro.

Edited by Vlad Ward, 17 January 2015 - 06:21 AM.

[Alexander Steel]

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You are NOT hired by anyone, we the players are allowed to do as we wish for any clan/ IS House we wish.

You are hired by the NPC ((Non Player Character)) Leader or somebody who represents him to attack the factions enemies. That's the entire point of attacking or defending. Seriously read the text, you are hired by whatever faction you are working for to do things for them. If you win they pay you however much the attacking/defending contract was worth.

That's the "In Game" story behind what is happening and why you are a merc "in game". I'll give you that there is no *living* person giving out the orders and the like. However as with any game there tends to be a story behind it.

Example: Mario isn't a plumber, he's game code that runs on a video game machine. The "Princess" isn't really a princess, she's game code also. There is no living "princess" that motivating Mario to go and save her, however from a game perspective Mario is trying to save the princess. The fact that the princess isn't a real person doesn't change that. Because it's entirely from the perspective of the game.

From the perspective of the *GAME* MWO. People are hired as Mercs by the factions to do jobs for them. So in the *Game* they are Mercs. Even if the person ((much like the princess!)) isn't a real person but is a concept or code in the game. They are an NPC ((Non-Player Character)).

[Alexander Steel]

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So you and your unit are not team players. Good to know. 14 day contract too...

They are absolutely team players if they are dropping in as a unit and doing things as a group. The fact that they don't choose to be part of another team that claims to control what their faction does doesn't make them non-team players. PGI has set thing up that no player group actually controls their faction. Each group of players no matter how big or small can choose to follow the will of others or not follow what other people say.

Example: I'm a fan of a sports team. I go to games and even have a club of like minded fans. We go to games and choose how we cheer, and as long as we follow the rules of the sports team and arena we can dress and have whatever signs and the like we want.

If another sports club that supports the same team makes a challenge with a sports club from the other team... say.. "We won't make any noise during the game during your team's free throws, if you remain quiet when our team is shooting our free throws." I don't have to follow it, because guess what.. I'm not part of that fan club. Despite the fact that we are both fans of the same team, I don't have to follow anything they say. Even if they get 10 other clubs to agree, my club isn't tied to them and I can ignore whatever they say.