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[Roadkill]

Darian DelFord, on 18 January 2015 - 05:20 AM, said:

Just got out of 2 matches where a DW had 2 ER PPC's and 2 Guass macroed to a fire group. Of course he denied it but when you actually just watched him fire, it was in perfect unison. Every shot, perfect unison.

Uh... you understand that this is trivial to do by hand, right?

Two mouse buttons... hold one down to charge the Gauss, as you release it press the other one. Presto! Gauss and PPCs fire at exactly the same time. Any minor out of sync would be undetectable in-game.

[TexAce]

Gas Guzzler, on 21 March 2016 - 08:22 AM, said:

I don't know why you would want to fire like that? It is more precise and efficient to fire all at once.

Ever heard of surpression? Did you see the video of B33f? Do you think he could have defended that tunnel alone against 3 mechs, if he would have alpha'd them all the time?

Edited by TexAce, 21 March 2016 - 08:31 AM.

[Gas Guzzler]

TexAce, on 21 March 2016 - 08:31 AM, said:

Ever heard of surpression? Did you see the video of B33f? Do you think he could have defended that tunnel alone against 3 mechs, if he would have alpha'd them all the time?

Yes. I know for a fact he could.

Edited by Gas Guzzler, 21 March 2016 - 08:47 AM.

[Gas Guzzler]

Just to be clear, I don't use macros and I don't really have strong feelings whether or not they should be "outlawed", but some of the things people attribute to macros, or act like a macro to chainfire ballistics gives some type of advantage, just seems silly.

[FupDup]

TexAce, on 21 March 2016 - 08:31 AM, said:

Ever heard of surpression? Did you see the video of B33f? Do you think he could have defended that tunnel alone against 3 mechs, if he would have alpha'd them all the time?

Are you doubting the B33f's capabilities?

[Beaching Betty]

U mad bra?

[Mcgral18]

TexAce, on 21 March 2016 - 08:09 AM, said:

Anyone who says he can manually fire the same pattern as B33f does in the video is outright lying. Period.

Funny how NO one of you showed a video of it working without a macro.

Same? No, but set 5 groups up, strum your finger across and alpha on the 6th group, getting minimum recycle down time and a constant hail of Dakka

More effective with 3 ACs, as you can assign 2&3 to mouse wheel up and down, then alpha without any fussing around.

[TexAce]

FupDup, on 21 March 2016 - 09:07 AM, said:

Are you doubting the B33f's capabilities?

I'm doubting the hesitation of the attackers to attack when facing a dire wolf like that which is alphaing in comparison to one which is staggering like B33f did in the video.

I know that I would have no problem to advance if he would be alphaing, compared to staggering.

Mcgral18, on 21 March 2016 - 09:13 AM, said:

Same? No, but set 5 groups up, strum your finger across and alpha on the 6th group, getting minimum recycle down time and a constant hail of Dakka

More effective with 3 ACs, as you can assign 2&3 to mouse wheel up and down, then alpha without any fussing around.

And if you are slamming all your 5 fingers onto the keyboard to shoot like this, how do you want to move your mech?

Macros allow you to do what is impossible with 10 fingers. To move your mech AND fire 6 different weapon groups at the same time.

[Mcgral18]

TexAce, on 21 March 2016 - 09:16 AM, said:

And if you are slamming all your 5 fingers onto the keyboard to shoot like this, how do you want to move your mech?

Macros allow you to do what is impossible with 10 fingers. To move your mech AND fire 6 different weapon groups at the same time.

You don't seem to understand what I said.

[Felicitatem Parco]

If someone is macroing their dual Gauss to fire at the same time as their PPCs, then you should laugh at them for hampering their game.

Anyone who complains about dual Gauss and Dual PPC macro should be regarded as an amateur who knows little about this game. The projectile velocities are different on those weapons, and anyone who plays well knows to fire the PPCs before firing the Gauss rounds, and the time disparity depends on distance to target.

Also, Macros are ONLY exploits when used to fire multiple weapon groups on chain fire at the same time to maximize Ghost Heat Avoidance (firing 2 or 3 weapon groups at the same exact time, followed by the same groups again exactly 0.5 seconds later).

Learn2Complain better.


(To all you lazy DakkaDakkers, the AC/2 MachineGun is easy enough to stagger with just keyboard presses; I do it all the time)

Edited by Prosperity Park, 21 March 2016 - 09:22 AM.

[MrJeffers]

Two things:

A ) This is a thread necro from 14 months ago.

B ) Macros are explicitly allowed in the latest CoC and ToS.

Edited by MrJeffers, 21 March 2016 - 09:21 AM.

[Krivvan]

Egomane, on 18 January 2015 - 06:30 AM, said:

They don't but some users will never learn that a macro can not speed up firing rates.

Unless you factor in bugged machine guns

[TexAce]

Mcgral18, on 21 March 2016 - 09:18 AM, said:

You don't seem to understand what I said.

I do understand but it still requires your hand to stop maneuvering.

[Appogee]

Lugh, on 21 March 2016 - 08:04 AM, said:

And some literally lame people, as in disabled with barely functional hands etc, need their crutches. macros help them to do with a finger something you and I take for granted with our two hands.

And in those very limited number of cases, I would be very happy for those people to use macros with my best wishes.

(But we all know that is not the majority of people who are using macros.)

[MerryIguana]

[Catra Lanis]

AEgg, on 18 January 2015 - 08:22 AM, said:

There's nothing you can do with a macro that you can't do without one.

So why are they a problem? Other people want to take the easy way out and put themselves at a minor disadvantage by always being tied to exactly the same pattern (rather than cancelling the charge, or slowing down firing speed, whatever), that's their problem.

And why are people upset about someone chainfiring AC2s? Groupfire is always better than chainfire anyway so you should be happy your enemies are chaining them.

The difference is that a macro can do the same sequence over and over again and never make a mistake so yes it's a crutch, maybe not a big one but a crutch nonetheless.

[GrimRiver]

The type of macro you can see by eye and tell it's a macro are the ones using a bunch of AC2's that shoot so hyper fast that it almost looks like a laser.

I've been ripper apart in seconds by a dire/Kcrab/whammy/mal using AC2 hyper fire, soo many AC shots blinding you that you can't even tell which way is up.

But if I try the samething with the ingame chainfire I can't even get within the ballpark of the level
of speed a macro can get.

[kesmai]

well, wages are low atm. employ someone to press buttons for you to circumvent the complicated programming of macros.
do something for your country.

[Chuck Jager]

Egomane, on 18 January 2015 - 06:30 AM, said:

They don't but some users will never learn that a macro can not speed up firing rates.

the individual gun rates are not faster, but if there are multiple guns on chain fire there will still be a .5 sec delay. The macro lets you chain them together so that they are all fired faster than the .5 sec with the chain fire group.

Also UACs do have a minimum time before you can do the second shot. Knowing this time and adding the macro means you can always get the next shot off asap. With clan UACs you can have 2 stuttered weapons with the weapon always firing while the first is still running, but keep it short enough to still deal good damage (just need to watch for GH with UAC10-20s)

The big new exploit is using the output for the second monitor to go to another computer that then uses image recognition software that parses object on the screen and reacts as keyboard mouse inputs for the gaming computer. This is tricky because it does not have a repeatable pattern that is detectable and also does not use any part of the program on the original computer. The software is hand me downs from many open source programs and even google that is used for surveillance and parsing easily collected visual data that is not covered by privacy laws (puts tin foil hat on)

[Mystere]

kesmai, on 21 March 2016 - 11:32 AM, said:

well, wages are low atm. employ someone to press buttons for you to circumvent the complicated programming of macros.
do something for your country.

That's such a 20th Century solution. The 21st Century equivalent is to have an intern write the macro for you for free.