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[Bigbacon]

Anyone try this thing out?

Pretty much give you an extra ballistic arm on the right side (A variant as a left arm one)

So you can dual wield LBX20s, AC/UAC20s, Gauss or some other combo + missiles if you swap the LT and RT

underwhelming in stock form with the dual gauss. Played 6 or 7 rounds in it that way and I think my team lost all 7 and I was never really able to do a whole lot. Think average 250 damage a round and maybe 4 kills out of those 7 rounds.

have to play around with it some more and see what you can do with smaller ballistics and missiles.

[Bigbacon]

so far this has been working pretty well
http://mwo.smurfy-ne...335ac030cbaf424

i do want to try this mixed version
http://mwo.smurfy-ne...6575ea23692cdb6

[Wine O]

HOw much ammo can a dual guass build afford? I see the stock variant only has 4 tons. Is there room for much more while still having armour?

[Bigbacon]

Wine O, on 20 January 2015 - 04:28 PM, said:

HOw much ammo can a dual guass build afford? I see the stock variant only has 4 tons. Is there room for much more while still having armour?

i was able to get up to 45 rounds

the only thing I was able to do while having dual guass was putting two SRM2s and half ton a ammo and having 3-1/2 tons of gauss or just put more armor using 1/2 ton.

unlike the dual jagers, you either dual guass with this or you don't. you really can't have anything else that is helpful. No laser points either.

Edited by Bigbacon, 20 January 2015 - 04:53 PM.

[dezgra]

I have run duel gauss and duel uac10. I like the uac10 better. The mech is very fragile though. Loose a torso or arm and your toast.

Edited by dezgra, 20 January 2015 - 11:23 PM.

[Vermin]

hmm...I personally am a big advocate of the stock Mad dog A variant.

always liked in battletech/previous mechwarrior titles, and it has seved me well.

[Nightshade24]

when running a build like the stock mad dog C.

It isn't about HOW much damage you make, but HOW you use that damage.

max damage you can vomit is 600 without missing. That's enough to core 6 atlases or kill 4 atlases.

Learn to be a good shot and do not panic shoot/ shoot just because you can.
Take some time to take your aim.

I use the Gauss kitfox quite a bit and I have no problems carrying my team with 170 to 540 damage games with my gauss (2 T of ammo) and 2 er medium lasers.

[Bigbacon]

Nightshade24, on 21 January 2015 - 04:47 AM, said:

when running a build like the stock mad dog C.

It isn't about HOW much damage you make, but HOW you use that damage.

max damage you can vomit is 600 without missing. That's enough to core 6 atlases or kill 4 atlases.

Learn to be a good shot and do not panic shoot/ shoot just because you can.
Take some time to take your aim.

I use the Gauss kitfox quite a bit and I have no problems carrying my team with 170 to 540 damage games with my gauss (2 T of ammo) and 2 er medium lasers.

this really isn't the issue with it. I run a dual jager and a bunch of other gauss setups and this one just seems worse and I suspect it is how fragile the mech is. Or I guess I should just L2P but this is always the answer.

[Dracol]

Bigbacon, on 21 January 2015 - 05:05 AM, said:

this really isn't the issue with it. I run a dual jager and a bunch of other gauss setups and this one just seems worse and I suspect it is how fragile the mech is. Or I guess I should just L2P but this is always the answer.

The Jager is better suited for dual guass. The Vulture has em low slung arms, that requires full exposure to get a shot. Longer time in the sun = shorter time on the battlefield.

[o0Marduk0o]

Nightshade24, on 21 January 2015 - 04:47 AM, said:

I use the Gauss kitfox quite a bit and I have no problems carrying my team with 170 to 540 damage games with my gauss (2 T of ammo) and 2 er medium lasers.

This is hardly carrying a team.

Edited by o0Marduk0o, 21 January 2015 - 05:30 AM.

[NUJRSYDEVIL]

In the event you run dual LBX20/AC20 do you have to sacrifice armor? I'm guessing there are no secondary weapons as well. How much ammo can you slap on?

[Bigbacon]

NUJRSYDEVIL, on 21 January 2015 - 05:41 AM, said:

In the event you run dual LBX20/AC20 do you have to sacrifice armor? I'm guessing there are no secondary weapons as well. How much ammo can you slap on?

pretty much if you run dual gauss or 20 anything ( they all weight 12 tons) you give up armor or ammo to get something else on it. I tried dual gauss with 2xSRM2 back up with only 1 or 1/2 ton ammo which reduced the gauss ammo by that much ( which was normally 4 to 4-1/2 tons)

not much of backup.

other issue which I forgot about is dual AC20s = ghost heat.

Dracol, on 21 January 2015 - 05:25 AM, said:

The Jager is better suited for dual guass. The Vulture has em low slung arms, that requires full exposure to get a shot. Longer time in the sun = shorter time on the battlefield.

the only plus it gets is speed and I think the dog is more maneuverable than the jager. It isn't super faster depedning on the engine you toss in a jager which I assume people normally do something in the 260 to 300 range

Jager is more versatile as you can get gauss + 2 - 4 mediums. you aren't stuck with ammo dependency.

Edited by Bigbacon, 21 January 2015 - 07:37 AM.

[Shade4x]

Best i have found is running 2 C-UAC/5's and 6 SRM 4's. Heat is very managable, and it hands down the best brawler i've played. The fact that you can do 6 SRM 4's and a Gauss on the normal variants kind makes this not worth buying.

It just is not a dual gauss sniper. It's a mech that they stripped down to nothing to put in 20 shots, which is really not that much in a real match

[Bigbacon]

Dual UAC20s is good for a hoot but not good for anything else...clan ACs suck. not enough ammo.

[111DOA111]

Well if you check out this link and the pic. You will notice right away that PGI messed up I think where those ballistics are supposed to be on the C variant. (its the mech facing you and in the background)...Although not an Official" pic, to me it makes ALOT more sense.

http://www.sarna.net...:Honor_duel.gif

[Fauxwise]

111DOA111, on 21 January 2015 - 05:03 PM, said:

Well if you check out this link and the pic. You will notice right away that PGI messed up I think where those ballistics are supposed to be on the C variant. (its the mech facing you and in the background)...Although not an Official" pic, to me it makes ALOT more sense.

http://www.sarna.net...:Honor_duel.gif

Not the only player to put in that link, and refer to the picture. But. Neither 'mech in the picture is the Mad Dog/Vulture. They are the Avatar-A and Hagetaka-C.

Edited by Fauxwise, 22 January 2015 - 03:00 AM.

[Bows3r]

Fauxwise, on 22 January 2015 - 03:00 AM, said:

Not the only player to put in that link, and refer to the picture. But. Neither 'mech in the picture is the Mad Dog/Vulture. They are the Avatar-A and Hagetaka-C.

The Hagetaka is the Draconis Combine's name for the Vulture, AKA Mad Dog.

I'd recommend you type in Hagetaka on Sarna.net before spewing mis-information.

Edited by Bows3r, 22 January 2015 - 03:06 AM.

[Nightshade24]

o0Marduk0o, on 21 January 2015 - 05:30 AM, said:

This is hardly carrying a team.

it depends if you killed half+ the enemy team by yourself (excluding them dem vultures and sea gulls trying to kill the enemy with a single medium laser and try to boast how they just got death star )

Bigbacon, on 21 January 2015 - 05:05 AM, said:

this really isn't the issue with it. I run a dual jager and a bunch of other gauss setups and this one just seems worse and I suspect it is how fragile the mech is. Or I guess I should just L2P but this is always the answer.

It's a clan mech.

If you can remove useless heatsinks and add endo steel like a IS mech , if it was then this conversation would be going a lot differently.

I am saying it isn't useless.

I am not saying the Couldron born, jagermech, or king crab can't do a better job. (this is very good though for a duel gauss heavy...)

[Jon Gotham]

o0Marduk0o, on 21 January 2015 - 05:30 AM, said:

This is hardly carrying a team.

That does depend on where he does that 170-540 damage though....if it kills the 3 crabs/whales on enemy team he has carried them:)

[RavenKnight86]

Yeah I think a big point people are missing is the speed the Mad Dog brings to a dual gauss build. Granted it is a glass cannon but carrying two gauss and going 89.1 kph isn't anything to frown at. Personally I've been having fun with it but wish I could either strip those two engine heatsink or put Endo on it for more armor and ammo.