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[Tristan Winter]

I'm playing my Mist Jinx troll build with ECM+TAG+NARC+SRM2 and I've noticed I'm not getting any C-bills or XP for NARC'd targets. I'm getting a spotting bonus even when I don't have the target in LOS, so I know my NARC'd target is getting hit by LRMs. But no NARC bonus.

Is it just me?

[Christof Romulus]

NARC bonus comes into play when kills are scored WITH MISSILES against NARCed targets.

Be sure you are satisfying the above condition.

[Tristan Winter]

Christof Romulus, on 18 November 2014 - 06:28 PM, said:

NARC bonus comes into play when kills are scored WITH MISSILES against NARCed targets.

Be sure you are satisfying the above condition.

You only get a bonus for the actual killing blow? So if I NARC a target and LRMs do 300 dmg, but the final blow is delivered by some dillweed with a small laser, I get nothing?

[Sug]

Nicolai Kabrinsky, on 18 November 2014 - 06:36 PM, said:

You only get a bonus for the actual killing blow? So if I NARC a target and LRMs do 300 dmg, but the final blow is delivered by some dillweed with a small laser, I get nothing?

Yuuup.

-Lana Kane

[Tristan Winter]

Sug, on 18 November 2014 - 06:51 PM, said:

Yuuup.
-Lana Kane

<unequips NARC>

[Joe Mallad]

Nicolai Kabrinsky, on 18 November 2014 - 06:36 PM, said:

You only get a bonus for the actual killing blow? So if I NARC a target and LRMs do 300 dmg, but the final blow is delivered by some dillweed with a small laser, I get nothing?

it was changed 2 patches ago. NARC and Tag were always intended to be systems that aid missile systems that need lock on. IE, LRMs and Streaks. It never should have given us bonuses when we NARC or TAG a target and someone then kills that target with lasers or ballistics. They finally fixed it to work with missiles as intended.

If you want bonuses with NARC and TAG, someone or yourself needs to kills a target with LRMs or Streaks after being NARCed or TAGed.

Edited by Yoseful Mallad, 18 November 2014 - 07:03 PM.

[Tristan Winter]

Yoseful Mallad, on 18 November 2014 - 07:01 PM, said:

it was changed 2 patches ago. NARC and Tag were always intended to be systems that aid middle systems that need lock on. IE, LRMs and Streaks. It never should have given us bonuses when we NARC or TAG a target and so dove then kills that target with lasers or ballistics. They finally fixed it to work with missiles as intended.
If you want bonuses with NARC and TAG, someone or yourself needs to kills a target with LRMs or Streaks after being NARCed or TAGed.

I get that NARC is only supposed to give you a bonus for guided missiles. But I was getting no bonus at all, even when my targets were bombarded by LRMs thanks to my NARC. I thought I would get some reward for the damage, like you get the TAG damage reward. But apparently, NARC rewards are only given for the killing blow.

Makes zero sense to me, but oh well. I guess I won't be using NARC anymore.

[Sug]

Nicolai Kabrinsky, on 18 November 2014 - 07:04 PM, said:

Makes zero sense to me, but oh well. I guess I won't be using NARC anymore.

You don't even get credit for an assist if you narc a target. You have to cause damage. Which kinda goes against my method of sneaking behind enemy mechs and narcing them.

You should get an Assist credit for LRM damage caused to a narced/tagged target, and stacking rewards for continued LRM damage.

[Coggernaut]

I completely agree. I'm running a Lore Kintaro build with a NARC. I've dedicated 5 tons and slots, 3 for the NARC and 2 for Ammo. Even a little C-bill bonus for getting people the lock would be nice. Are they trying to make us not want to use Narc?

[anonymous161]

This is pgi very little they do makes sense.

[Styxx42]

What about when a Narc goes off and you know where the targets are because of it.
Or a TAG nails an ECM'd Mech. So again you know where they are skuling about trying to nail the WHALES in the back.


Getting points for a Kill totally does away with role warfare scouting, target marking.

[Spheroid]

you are getting screwed because everyone and their brother runs Artemis which negates TAG/NARC spotting bonuses even if not line of sight. Its a major oversight.

Edited by Spheroid, 25 January 2015 - 09:40 PM.

[monk]

Narc should reward you for each friendly mech that uses a missile to hit a target you have narced. Each new narc should allow them to again give you a bonus, with the caveat that you can't get more than one bonus from a friendly per the duration of a narc (to prevent you just firing lots of narcs quickly just to get bonus).

Narc should also give you something for just tagging a target. It's ability to just track otherwise non visible targets should be valued by the score system.

Edited by monk, 25 January 2015 - 10:02 PM.

[Cyborne Elemental]

Even if the bonus is 1/4th of what it used to be, at least it should be something.

The odds of your narc getting you the Bonus for that last tiny bit of damage landing a killshot with LRM are so low, there is almost no point in even having the bonus in place.

The NARC bonus is a measly 6,000 cbills PER KILL, You can get that just by targeting 3 mechs.

Every bit of damage that gets delivered to that narced target, LRM or not should be giving you tiny Cbill returns for NARC and TAG.

Especially if its an ECM mech that you've NARCed or have TAGged.

[Willard Phule]

Nicolai Kabrinsky, on 18 November 2014 - 06:00 PM, said:

I'm playing my Mist Jinx troll build with ECM+TAG+NARC+SRM2 and I've noticed I'm not getting any C-bills or XP for NARC'd targets. I'm getting a spotting bonus even when I don't have the target in LOS, so I know my NARC'd target is getting hit by LRMs. But no NARC bonus.

Is it just me?

You're Clan Ghost Bear. There's your problem. Part of the nerfing Paul did to Clan tech was to remove any sort of free bonuses. You only get a NARC bonus if you're Inner Sphere.

[Bigbacon]

they could fix it. they messed up tag and narc a while back and people were farming it hardcore so they put it back. It should give you something for the killing blow no matter what does it. It isn't just for missiles, you are highlighting a target for anyone on your team to focus fire on.

[Deathlike]

Sug, on 18 November 2014 - 07:24 PM, said:

You don't even get credit for an assist if you narc a target. You have to cause damage. Which kinda goes against my method of sneaking behind enemy mechs and narcing them.

You should get an Assist credit for LRM damage caused to a narced/tagged target, and stacking rewards for continued LRM damage.

The quick/cheap/lazy fix for that is to make NARC deal .01 damage (this is what Flares in MW4 did in for "reasons") to collect said assist.

[Sug]

Deathlike, on 26 January 2015 - 10:40 AM, said:

The quick/cheap/lazy fix for that is to make NARC deal .01 damage (this is what Flares in MW4 did in for "reasons") to collect said assist.

I miss flares.