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[Lily from animove]

joelmuzz, on 29 January 2015 - 02:01 AM, said:

Because they are idiots, or drunk, or both.
I mean they designed thousand ton steel gates which are spring loaded to open when there is a power outage. Who does that? Idiots, thats who.
Then for good measure they designed ramps so the giant gates can be jumped over and essential generators shot at.

abstraction dude abtsraction.

if we could have, PGi would just make destroyable gates. But we do not have, and so PGi implemented something "somehow" sensemakign that simulates this: gats that pop open when a generator (attackable from outside) is destroyed.

this is just the way to implement an "destructible terrain abstraction"

[Slumu]

Lily from animove, on 29 January 2015 - 07:44 AM, said:

abstraction dude abtsraction.

if we could have, PGi would just make destroyable gates. But we do not have, and so PGi implemented something "somehow" sensemakign that simulates this: gats that pop open when a generator (attackable from outside) is destroyed.

Which brings me to the question: Why didn't they just make destructable gates?

[Bigbacon]

HARDKOR, on 28 January 2015 - 05:15 PM, said:

Splitting the center of that map is really all it needs.

yup just extend that center mountain further into the defeners area.

[Prophetic]

Valar13, on 29 January 2015 - 01:44 AM, said:

Are all test-tubies so thin-skinned and obtuse?

Can NS show this guy the error of his "get in a casual group" quip?

Jokes go right over genetically engineered thick clans skulls.

I'm sure he will eventually see our lack of teamwork.

Until then. Clans are OP Plz nerf!

[Joseph Mallan]

Mystere, on 28 January 2015 - 06:04 PM, said:

Why would someone intentionally build a fortress that's easy to attack and hard to defend?

Social Injustice Warriors!

[C E Dwyer]

Rouken, on 29 January 2015 - 12:11 AM, said:

Naturally occurring naval Gauss Rifles?

gauss rifles that hide it your navel ?

Edited by Cathy, 29 January 2015 - 10:11 AM.

[Revis Volek]

HARDKOR, on 28 January 2015 - 05:15 PM, said:

Splitting the center of that map is really all it needs.

This was my thought as well...

Remove the landing pad down low and stretch that mountain in between the two gates to meet with the sloping hills that everyone stands on there (e6 i think) and can hit both gates from one spot.

Forces the attackers to pick one lane and makes it hard to bail on the push or switch sides mid push but also cuts down ERPPC spam and ER LARGE LASER spam from the center on both gates. Would be a change for both sides as moving from gate to gate for the defender would take more time as well. Also give a hiding spot for both attackers to surprise people as well as defenders to set up traps.

I just feel like we can see way to much of each other the whole time on this map.

Edited by DarthRevis, 29 January 2015 - 10:36 AM.

[Nightmare1]

We have one easy CW map and one hard one.

I think that's reasonable.

Let's shoot for a couple of balanced ones next and then a few more that are on the opposite extremes.

[Apnu]

Mystere, on 28 January 2015 - 06:04 PM, said:

Why would someone intentionally build a fortress that's easy to attack and hard to defend?

Why would attackers always funnel troops down two valleys of death? Why can't attackers hit the base from the north or east or west? why is it always from the south?

[Joseph Mallan]

Apnu, on 29 January 2015 - 11:03 AM, said:

Why would attackers always funnel troops down two valleys of death? Why can't attackers hit the base from the north or east or west? why is it always from the south?

Only answer would be a insurmountable barrier to the other 3 facings.

[Apnu]

Yes, but since were talking about what people would do in real life (such as why make a easy to attack castle), why would attackers choose to attack a fortified position with the exact same numbers as the defenders and roughly the same tonnage?

In Invasion everything is slanted towards the defenders. They get walls, guns, predictable attack points, and the attackers get nothing. They can't out number the defenders, like would happen in real life when assaulting an entrenched position, they can't bombard the position with arty, and they can't bring bigger, badder armor than the enemy.

Defenders, yes, get to choose the ground a battle is fought, but the attackers get to choose the numbers, size, and time of an attack. That's missing in Invasion.

[Templar Dane]

Rouken, on 29 January 2015 - 12:11 AM, said:

Naturally occurring naval Gauss Rifles?

What did you think happened when you planted a gauss slug?

[Stealth Fox]

Prophetic, on 29 January 2015 - 08:35 AM, said:

Jokes go right over genetically engineered thick clans skulls.

I'm sure he will eventually see our lack of teamwork.

Until then. Clans are OP Plz nerf!

You honestly expect me to catch Sarcasm in a post that mimics exactly, with no exaggeration.. just about every single post I see from IS Pugs? I mean hell. I had a pug start a chat argument with me when he rushed in in a lone hunch back and got killed by 5 of us while his team was to scared to go through the gates. Of course.. he bitched about how clan mechs are so OP.. when there where 5 of us he tried to take on.

Apnu, on 29 January 2015 - 11:21 AM, said:

Defenders, yes, get to choose the ground a battle is fought, but the attackers get to choose the numbers, size, and time of an attack. That's missing in Invasion.

So what you want is for IS to just be able to bring like double the mechs to attack? Yeah.. cause zerg rushes aren't enough of a problem.

As for the clans it makes sense they bring Equal numbers, any higher numbers would of been bidded down before the attack.

[Apnu]

Seph MacLeod, on 29 January 2015 - 11:37 AM, said:

So what you want is for IS to just be able to bring like double the mechs to attack? Yeah.. cause zerg rushes aren't enough of a problem.

As for the clans it makes sense they bring Equal numbers, any higher numbers would of been bidded down before the attack.

No, I'm saying Invasion mode is very broken. Its an inch deep and limited. We've had it for weeks now and there are a handful of strategies used by the community. That speaks volumes about how incomplete CW is.

We want more, and frankly, expected more. That's why so many players have abandoned CW. Its not worth their time despite the bigger c-bill payoffs.

[Mystere]

DarthRevis, on 29 January 2015 - 10:35 AM, said:

This was my thought as well...

Remove the landing pad down low and stretch that mountain in between the two gates to meet with the sloping hills that everyone stands on there (e6 i think) and can hit both gates from one spot.

That mountain originally did stretch all the way to those sloping hills. But someone procured several thousand tons of explosives and shaved off a large section of said mountain.

joelmuzz, on 29 January 2015 - 02:01 AM, said:

I mean they designed thousand ton steel gates which are spring loaded to open when there is a power outage. Who does that?

Those are not steel gates. They're actually force fields. Those "gates" you see are just holographic projections.

Edited by Mystere, 29 January 2015 - 12:01 PM.

[Aresye]

Drunk Canuck, on 28 January 2015 - 04:35 PM, said:

Defending and attacking are both easy on that map, though attacking is much more difficult...

wat?

[Stealth Fox]

Apnu, on 29 January 2015 - 11:45 AM, said:

No, I'm saying Invasion mode is very broken. Its an inch deep and limited. We've had it for weeks now and there are a handful of strategies used by the community. That speaks volumes about how incomplete CW is.

We want more, and frankly, expected more. That's why so many players have abandoned CW. Its not worth their time despite the bigger c-bill payoffs.

Of course it's broken and shallow, it's 2 years late, it's in Beta, and its part of MWO.

[Kell Commander]

Have you gone into the settings and checked to make sure you don't have arm lock active? That would cause the same thing you saw.

[Odins Fist]

Stormcrows DON'T run at 150 KPH... WAFSAMF'r

Edited by Odins Fist, 29 January 2015 - 12:09 PM.

[Revis Volek]

Apnu, on 29 January 2015 - 11:45 AM, said:

No, I'm saying Invasion mode is very broken. Its an inch deep and limited. We've had it for weeks now and there are a handful of strategies used by the community. That speaks volumes about how incomplete CW is.

We want more, and frankly, expected more. That's why so many players have abandoned CW. Its not worth their time despite the bigger c-bill payoffs.

Its not broken, its called BETA.