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[Mawai]

Hi All,

Here are some early indications that a match may not go well ...

- a team mate fires his weapons at the sqawn point bringing a team mates rear armor down to orange and then blaming the team mate for walking in front of them ... then calling the team mate a newb

- Everyone spreads out

- Everyone divides into lances and spreads out

- Everyone swarms one by one towards the only red dots displayed on the map

- In conquest, each lance runs to a different cap point instead of letting the lights take care of capping and the rest grouping up.

- Failure to group up

- Everyone knows there are enemies over a ridge or around a corner and yet the lemmings still take turns peeking until one dies ... then they run away

- Knowing there may be enemies ahead, team mates like to stand immobile behind you so you can't retreat or take cover

- Folks firing lrms outside effective range because they are bored 30 seconds into the match


I have seen each and every one of these multiple times ... and they are generally not good signs ... anyone else have some?

[Iskareot]

Jeeze this is about 75% of the pug drops sadly. The worst part is you can tell them until you are freaking blue in the face.. BUT NOPE... and then since... now some of our KDRs are worthless you just run in leroy jenkins style and quit match ...

All of those are dead on happenings. I DO WISH we could kill a team mate that opens fire on you with direct fire back and not be penalized for it.

Or even shoot the people running in the wrong direction lol...

[Wintersdark]

Mawai, on 02 February 2015 - 02:50 PM, said:

- Knowing there may be enemies ahead, team mates like to stand immobile behind you so you can't retreat or take cover

Funny story. I had a guy who claimed he was a "well known troll" (he's banned on the forums) deliberately TK me by doing that - walking his atlas right up behind me as I moved out of cover, and holding me there. Claimed it was because he was so annoyed by my forum posts.

I knew, right there, that this was not going to be a victorious match. Felt bad for everyone else, as he wasted both my 100t assault(dire wolf) and his(atlas) to do that. Kinda hard for a team to recover from uselessly losing a pair of assaults right at the start of a match.


(Incidentally, I couldn't help but laugh - he'd been banned from the forums for a year, so he held such resentment over a year of being off the forums that he'd TK me in game. I couldn't remember him at all. Clearly, he wasn't as good a troll as he thought.)

[Votanin FleshRender]

Some derp LRM boat demanding/begging everyone to hold locks for him is my biggest pet peeve and portent of doom.

Test firing wpns and hitting team mates at the beginning, also gives me a sinking sensation

[Alistair Winter]

When the team commander has bad grammar.

Yeah, yeah, I know. It's very prejudiced. One thing has nothing to do with the other. Maybe English wasn't his first language. You don't have to have excellent grammar to be a good MWO player. I get it.

But if your team commander has bad grammar, you're probably going to lose. That's just a fact.

"every1 follow me 2 tunnal and push to there base, i am ur commandor"


ggclose

[Wintersdark]

Alistair Winter, on 02 February 2015 - 03:05 PM, said:

When the team commander has bad grammar.

Yeah, yeah, I know. It's very prejudiced. One thing has nothing to do with the other. Maybe English wasn't his first language. You don't have to have excellent grammar to be a good MWO player. I get it.

But if your team commander has bad grammar, you're probably going to lose. That's just a fact.

"every1 follow me 2 tunnal and push to there base, i am ur commandor"


ggclose

yeah... Here's one of the (many) times in life where you really want to be able to present yourself as a functioning adult and use words. I'm never terribly keen on following what appears to be a halfwit.

[Kahadras]

Heading for 'bad points' on the map like advancing up the long slope H8/H9 or sheltering in 'Death Valley' I7/H7 on Alpine Peaks even when people are posting in chat not to go there. This is usualy combined with a lack of speed dicipline i.e wait for the assault to catch up. So the lighter mechs are chewed up before the heavies can get into the fight.

So basicaly seemingly not knowing the maps, ignoring chat and not grouping up (or grouping up incorrectly).

[Xetelian]

Team damage before a minute into the match is usually a sign of a loss.

More than 3 guys asking for locks is usually a sign of a loss.

When Terra Therma's platform is full of red team and people keep pushing in is usually sign of a loss.

Dropping on Alpine in a brawler usually signs me up for a loss.

No ECM usually a sign of the impending loss, especially on Alpine.

[Kiiyor]

Mawai, on 02 February 2015 - 02:50 PM, said:

- Knowing there may be enemies ahead, team mates like to stand immobile behind you so you can't retreat or take cover

Slight variation of this:

ACTUALLY SHOOTING ENEMIES, and teammates walk in front of you, then criticize you for not getting out of the way of their inevitable withdrawal.

Not a big deal in faster mechs. Makes me grind my teeth in an assault though, heh.

[Wintersdark]

Kiiyor, on 02 February 2015 - 03:20 PM, said:

Slight variation of this:

ACTUALLY SHOOTING ENEMIES, and teammates walk in front of you, then criticize you for not getting out of the way of their inevitable withdrawal.

Not a big deal in faster mechs. Makes me grind my teeth in an assault though, heh.

Oh, yes. This. When you're sitting there firing into someone, and some halfwit walks in front of you, just barely past, then suddenly reverses back into your line of fire (right after you've seen him clear it), so he eats your next alpha in the back, then procedes to back right into your face.

I love that guy.

[WazOfOz]

ppl running to blind canyons ( both ends of tunnel ) & then just stay there, on forest colony map. where they can not see the enemy so no chance of shooting at enemy. allowing themselves to be flanked unabated.
assault mechs claiming to have 3k of LRMs at start of match. ring around the rosey on skirmish mode. leaving assaults behind to be slaughtered. friendly lights unwilling to pursue ( chase off ) enemy lights. seeing ppl in 3rd person view

Edited by WazOfOz, 02 February 2015 - 04:10 PM.

[Kahadras]

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Dropping on Alpine in a brawler usually signs me up for a loss

I used to think this but I'm more optimistic now. OK I probably won't do as well as I normaly do but if I play well I might get some reward somewhere along the lines. The other team will have brawlers as well remember.



What gets me cross is when people just give up. We had one guy in a Hunchback that just went on a lone suicide run right at the start of an Alpine game because 'he was in a brawler'. If he'd bothered to stick with the rest of the team he would have come in really handy when the enemy made a push halfway through the game and we needed close range fighters.

Edited by Kahadras, 02 February 2015 - 03:28 PM.

[bar10jim]

Thirty seconds into a game and you realize that two of your Assaults haven't moved from the spawn point.

[Kahadras]

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Thirty seconds into a game and you realize that two of your Assaults haven't moved from the spawn point.

Then the person in your third assault disconnects.



Then the pilot of your teams only Timber Wolf gets onto chat to tell you it's his first game.

Edited by Kahadras, 02 February 2015 - 03:38 PM.

[100 Tonne]

a team member asking any how to game play question.

[Votanin FleshRender]

Kahadras, on 02 February 2015 - 03:36 PM, said:

Then the person in your third assault disconnects.



Then the pilot of your teams only Timber Wolf gets onto chat to tell you it's his first game.

^^^ AFKs at the beginning., Doesn't ALWAYS mean a loss, but not a good sign

[Mawai]

Kahadras, on 02 February 2015 - 03:27 PM, said:

I used to think this but I'm more optimistic now. OK I probably won't do as well as I normaly do but if I play well I might get some reward somewhere along the lines. The other team will have brawlers as well remember.



What gets me cross is when people just give up. We had one guy in a Hunchback that just went on a lone suicide run right at the start of an Alpine game because 'he was in a brawler'. If he'd bothered to stick with the rest of the team he would have come in really handy when the enemy made a push halfway through the game and we needed close range fighters.

Never give up!

I've dropped on Alpine with my HBK-4G, AC20 and 3ML and have done really well. The other team took the heights of the valley .. we did NOT go up the valley but took the heights over the base adjacent to the peak ... eventually they moved down the valley and around the peak to flank us .. quite open terrain but at decently short range and the hills can be decent cover from LRMs. We ended up winning but it was close and fun.

[Davegt27]

Drop with a CW team that has 10 Atlas DDC's

I am thinking this looks cool but the Clan will jump for joy LOL

Type plan?

Answer: don't suck or shoot bad guys

[Sjorpha]

I honestly would find a list of good signs way more interesting than another one of these endless and curiously self inflating circle jerks, as that could also be used as a recipe for actually improving your chances rather than just being more wasted forum space.

So, good signs:

1.Team commander takes charge and is listened to (with good grammar ). The obvious one.

1. When a lance mate (or yourself *wink*wink*) assumes lance command and actually focuses on coordinating your lance to maximize it's weight class in relation to the team. This is actually even more rare than good volontary team commanders and I suspect a hidden gem to be explored.

2. When a newbie announces himself as such, along with his willingness to heed advice and follow orders. There are likely newbs around in any case, so the difference in having them listen and being fed some basics can improve the team significantly. (If nothing else just by having them in the right place on the map as fillers to desaturate enemy fire)

3. When a good joke or casual exchange is shared on your team chat before start, always makes me feel more like a team.

4. When you get that intuitive feeling right from the start of working in tandem with a few, or even just one, of your teammates. Often ends up being a fierce little death squad deciding the match.

5. When a teammate has hands down outrageous nickname that makes you laugh out loud or gape in amazement.

6. When absolutely no one, on either team, feels the need to pollute the mood with some complaint about the map, the game, or other players.

Failing to actively make one or more of these happen probably loses you matches, for real.

Add more please.

Edited by Sjorpha, 02 February 2015 - 04:20 PM.

[Darlith]

Votanin FleshRender, on 02 February 2015 - 03:45 PM, said:

^^^ AFKs at the beginning., Doesn't ALWAYS mean a loss, but not a good sign

Yeah played a game the other day that was going to be a close one but a loss for us it looked like. Enemy was up 11 - 10 and the last guy was a king crab that looked to be AFK or DC back at base. Well he must have come back or been playing possum for a bit because as soon as they came into view in their banged up mechs, boom boom boom. He took them out in short order to cries of WTF from the enemy.

But yeah usually if an assault AFKs right at the start you worry that it will cost you the match.

Edited by Darlith, 02 February 2015 - 04:23 PM.