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[Mad Strike]

Ok nice February roadmap but.....when are they gonna fix the overquirked thunderbolt.

Is nice to have a ppc supresion fire mech but when it can do a better job boating 3 PPC/ERPPC than an Awesome then it's simply broken.

Guys you did a great job with the quirk pass but this is too much. It feels like the quirks are done like if you where thinking what you could do and never stopped to think if you should have......

Edited by strikebrch, 03 February 2015 - 03:59 PM.

[Zfailboat]

Oh please. The thunderbolt is maybe marginally overpowered. MAYBE.

The stormcrow has stupid hit boxes, the Timberwolf has assault load outs with medium speeds (higher dmg, armour and speed than thunderbolts). the Direwolf is still 1.5x better than a king crab. 6 x UAC5's vs 4 on the king crab as an example.

The reason the thunderbolt is overplayed currently is that its the ONLY IS mech that can regularly match up to clans. what they need to do is IMPROVE the quirks on other mechs so that they match up. IMPROVE other mechs to match the thunderbolts, Timberwolves, Stormcrows and Firestarters. (both clan and IS alike)

Stop with the stupid nurf post for 1 mech or another and figure out a clue. thunderbolts are the FIRST IS mech to bring some BALANCE to IS. are they a little to far? not really they are still 10T lighter than a Timberwolf, and slower and have a lower alpha. Timberwolves can outbrawl them easily.

Even Lords who almost exclusively play MAX Clan mechs agree that they are NOT overpowered, but are in fact about right to make them competitive against maxed Clans.

[Jaeger Gonzo]

Its not just about IS vs Clans.
Its about thunderbolts throw out meks that are supposed to be ERPPP, PPC machines.
I guess no one would whine about OP Awesome if AWS get TDR quirks.

Edited by Jaeger Gonzo, 02 February 2015 - 11:19 PM.

[Macster16]

What I want to know is, how come the Q1 5SS didn't create so much QQ like the 9S has when it was, in my opinion, more lethal than the 9S currently is. The Q1 5SS, while it lasted, was tearing it up - in just about every game I saw a 5SS in, the thing would be putting in upwards of 3 kills / 700 dmg easy. If one got within brawling distance, you were royally ****ed. Yet it did not create the volume of QQ like the 9S has.

I really don't get why the 9S has had such an effect on people when there is, or has been, equally or more OP stuff out there that hasn't made nearly as many rivers of tears.

[Tezcatli]

The real tragedy is that it takes away attention from the fact the Clans can just bring the Stormcrow as their whole drop deck. You can make an anti-light build with Streaks or LRM support if you wanted to... But classic laser vomit is usually enough. Essentially the best mech in the game is their drop deck.

The Timberwolf is limited by it's weight. So if they were to give the Stormcrow a few minor negative quirks. I would be totally for nerfing the quirks on the Thunderbolt, perhaps giving that massive heat reduction to the Awesome, which would be significantly limited by it's weight.

It's not that the Stormcrow is OP. It's that provides the Clans a higher performing mech on average. Where as the IS has not only several lower performing mechs. But the better ones tend to weigh more then 55 tons. Limiting how many can be deployed.

Edited by Tezcatli, 02 February 2015 - 11:33 PM.

[William Mountbank]

An arm PPC is wasted on a TDR because it's too low. If you're getting struck by the full 3 PPC bolts, then you can unload a full alpha into him in return anywhere on his mech, along with that of all your buddies. Only the two shoulder mounted energy slots are worthwhile as PPCs because they're so high you can hill hump like a Raven, and twin PPC is really not a problem, especially at 1100m.

[PitchBlackYeti]

AWS should be the ultimate PPC/ERPPC chassis. I have only a single ERPPC mounted on my AWS-9M and that's saying alot.

[Ace Selin]

Stormcrow kills Tbolts quite easy, I often kill the 9s with my SRM and Streak Crows.
The Stormcrow is far more lethal within close range confines, much more than a 9S is, the only thing the Tbolt has going for it is long range sniping before it overheats and gets killed.

[Alistair Winter]

Never. Russ Bullock likes it where it is. The TDR-9S is now basically so good that people are arguing whether the Timber Wolf is better. So they're both Tier 1 mechs at the moment.

Russ' plan is to use those mechs as the golden standard. Some other mechs may be buffed to become Tier 1 mechs, but Russ doesn't want to make all mechs in the game as good as the TBR and TDR-9S. Those will, according to him, be the best mechs. So now we just wait for PGI to buff a few other mechs to Tier 1 status.

There is no nerf incoming. PPC Online is back with a vengeance.

[Escef]

My issue with the T-bolt is that it was over-quirked to such an extent that you don't see other Inner Sphere heavies enough. The problem isn't that the T-bolt is too good, it's that how good it is has choked off variety.

[LordKnightFandragon]

Alistair Winter, on 03 February 2015 - 02:01 AM, said:

Never. Russ Bullock likes it where it is. The TDR-9S is now basically so good that people are arguing whether the Timber Wolf is better. So they're both Tier 1 mechs at the moment.

Russ' plan is to use those mechs as the golden standard. Some other mechs may be buffed to become Tier 1 mechs, but Russ doesn't want to make all mechs in the game as good as the TBR and TDR-9S. Those will, according to him, be the best mechs. So now we just wait for PGI to buff a few other mechs to Tier 1 status.

There is no nerf incoming. PPC Online is back with a vengeance.

Lol, so Power creep the rest of hte Clan mechs up and hten the IS mechs to where your Direwolf dies as fast as a headshot human in a human based shooter....round a corner and plink, plink, plink, down you go!!!

[Alistair Winter]

LordKnightFandragon, on 03 February 2015 - 02:28 AM, said:

Lol, so Power creep the rest of hte Clan mechs up and hten the IS mechs to where your Direwolf dies as fast as a headshot human in a human based shooter....round a corner and plink, plink, plink, down you go!!!

Pretty much, yeah.

Then again, that's sort of what happens when half the players in MWO go insane every time PGI tries to nerf a mech. It's like people think their individual mech is the only one being nerfed.

[cryonic]

Escef, on 03 February 2015 - 02:26 AM, said:

My issue with the T-bolt is that it was over-quirked to such an extent that you don't see other Inner Sphere heavies enough. The problem isn't that the T-bolt is too good, it's that how good it is has choked off variety.

Thats nonsense - you still see plenty of Jaegers and Catapults. The only IS heavy thats seriously declined is the cataphract, and that was down to the nerfing of the poptarting meta.

[LordKnightFandragon]

Alistair Winter, on 03 February 2015 - 02:31 AM, said:

Pretty much, yeah.

Then again, that's sort of what happens when half the players in MWO go insane every time PGI tries to nerf a mech. It's like people think their individual mech is the only one being nerfed.

And what happens then? it feels nothing like a Battletech game and it slowly gains traction onlywith the CoD crowd? While the BT fans and players stay discontent or just leave and go back to MW4 and TT? I personally would love it if Mektek crew got back together and maybe updated Mektek...lol. I did like that mod alot.

[Cyborne Elemental]

Alistair Winter, on 03 February 2015 - 02:01 AM, said:

Never. Russ Bullock likes it where it is. The TDR-9S is now basically so good that people are arguing whether the Timber Wolf is better. So they're both Tier 1 mechs at the moment.

Russ' plan is to use those mechs as the golden standard. Some other mechs may be buffed to become Tier 1 mechs, but Russ doesn't want to make all mechs in the game as good as the TBR and TDR-9S. Those will, according to him, be the best mechs. So now we just wait for PGI to buff a few other mechs to Tier 1 status.

There is no nerf incoming. PPC Online is back with a vengeance.

Wow.. If the 9S is considered the IS's best mech, and Tier 1.. the IS is in trouble.

[Alistair Winter]

Mister D, on 03 February 2015 - 02:39 AM, said:

Wow.. If the 9S is considered the IS's best mech, and Tier 1.. the IS is in trouble.

I still maintain it's the AWS-8Q with 3 PPCs and 1 small laser, but no one ever listens.

[LordKnightFandragon]

Mister D, on 03 February 2015 - 02:39 AM, said:

Wow.. If the 9S is considered the IS's best mech, and Tier 1.. the IS is in trouble.

whats not good about machinegun PPCs?

[Taemien]

strikebrch, on 02 February 2015 - 10:18 PM, said:

Ok nice February roadmap but.....when are they gonna fix the overquirked thunderbolt.

Is nice to have a ppc supresion fire mech but when it can do a better job boating 3 PPC/ERPPC than an Awesome then it's simply broken.

Guys you did a nice job with the quirk pass but this is too much. It feels like the quirks are done like if you where thinking what you could do and never stopped to think if you should have......

You're on to something. Flip the quirks of the Awesomes and the Tbolt.

[Matthew Ace]

LordKnightFandragon, on 03 February 2015 - 02:33 AM, said:

And what happens then? it feels nothing like a Battletech game and it slowly gains traction onlywith the CoD crowd? While the BT fans and players stay discontent or just leave and go back to MW4 and TT? I personally would love it if Mektek crew got back together and maybe updated Mektek...lol. I did like that mod alot.

Besides the power creep (Heavy Rocket Launcher, Plasma Cannon, Assault Laser, stuff like that. Things that greatly increased PPFLD. Did I misuse the term?), I liked Mektek's Mekpak a lot and I was sad to know that MP4 would not come to fruition.

Edited by Matthew Ace, 03 February 2015 - 03:28 AM.

[TyphonCh]

Let's just say let's wait until the 2nd quirk pass... Russ already tweeted about the Thunderbolts and Firestarters. I think they got the hint