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[I_AM_ZUUL]

Greenjulius, on 09 February 2015 - 07:56 AM, said:

The CN9-D doesn't have 3 energy hardpoints and jump jets however, only 2 energy, and they are in the CT.

The Enforcer can choose to use a LPL+2xML as it's primary armament, with the LB10x as it's finisher. The CN9-D can't do that.

I should know, because I've tried like mad to make the CN9-D a viable mech with it's quirks.

its a super simple build... i dont know why you are struggling to figure it out.

CN9-D

[Kyynele]

I'm probably alone with my opinion that the Panther's head just looks stupid. To me, it looks like something that would've been the coolest thing ever back in 1980, and time hasn't been gentle to it. One of the ugliest head designs in the game, second only to the ones that are so plain that they aren't even vaguely memorable. Granted, the original TT art for Panther is so ugly that anything is a massive improvement compared to that cataclysmic disaster.

Enforcer was one of the ones I was looking forward to based on the concept arts, but man, that's pretty bad. The head looked good in the concept, but the actual model does it no justice whatsoever.

So far pretty disappointed.

[Odanan]

Kyynele, on 10 February 2015 - 04:07 AM, said:

I'm probably alone with my opinion that the Panther's head just looks stupid. To me, it looks like something that would've been the coolest thing ever back in 1980, and time hasn't been gentle to it. One of the ugliest head designs in the game, second only to the ones that are so plain that they aren't even vaguely memorable. Granted, the original TT art for Panther is so ugly that anything is a massive improvement compared to that cataclysmic disaster.

Enforcer was one of the ones I was looking forward to based on the concept arts, but man, that's pretty bad. The head looked good in the concept, but the actual model does it no justice whatsoever.

So far pretty disappointed.

You must be one of the few people around here that don't think the Panther's head amazing... o.O

[Clownwarlord]

I am looking forward to this pack the most out of all other mech packages I have bought, but this one has got to be the one.

You get a great light mech sniper/harasser unlike the locus which only is decent due to quirks. Also where the clan lights can have weapons they still lack what an Inner Sphere light has in speed (except Koshi). Only down side of this mech will be no ecm, but the Jenner and Firestarter have no ecm.

Next is the Enforcer a 50 ton medium mech that will hopefully work well in Community Warfare with and looking at those buffs the LBX is going to be spitten!

So again looking forward to these sweet looking mechs.

[LT. HARDCASE]

I_AM_ZUUL, on 10 February 2015 - 12:28 AM, said:

its a super simple build... i dont know why you are struggling to figure it out.

CN9-D

No point in paying for a CN9-D, if you aren't going to take advantage of the engine cap.

I'd rather run it this way. Take an XL300 and go turbo shotty.

Edited by Kevjack, 10 February 2015 - 11:21 AM.

[Burning Chrome]

Has there been any reply from Russ or any PGI staff regarding the disappointment and redo requests? If it looked like what Bishop and others suggested, they would get some cash from me immediately.

[Talos7]

Love the look of the Panther. The Enforcer is ok.
Not quite exact to the concept art, but thats all the art was, a concept.

[NocturnalBeast]

Burning Chrome, on 10 February 2015 - 03:39 PM, said:

Has there been any reply from Russ or any PGI staff regarding the disappointment and redo requests? If it looked like what Bishop and others suggested, they would get some cash from me immediately.

I believe that Russ replied to Bishop on Twitter.

[Axeface]

I did the first edit quickly, here's a second attempt that I took more time on. Still not perfect or anything but I think it's closer to the concept.

Edited by Axeface, 11 February 2015 - 08:38 AM.

[Lacewing]

The concept art looks really great, like a big and heavy 'mech schould look.

But the final result looks like a plastic miniature of it. (my opinion)

[Dawnstealer]

Rip Snorgan, on 09 February 2015 - 07:29 PM, said:

I don't particularly mind the new model, and will be happy with it as it, but I must admit, your edits really do look pretty sweet.

It's subtle, but it really helps me understand where the folks who don't like the model so much are coming from, even if I don't feel it.

Second this: I'm fine with the original model, but the edits look better. Either way, looks like a fun model and it's not like I'll be able to see the thing while I'm IN it.

[Burning Chrome]

Ed Steele, on 10 February 2015 - 04:44 PM, said:

I believe that Russ replied to Bishop on Twitter.

Any idea what was said or where it is, if shared/posted?

NVM...of course I find it two seconds after posting this...FFS.

Edited by Burning Chrome, 11 February 2015 - 01:04 PM.

[NocturnalBeast]

Burning Chrome, on 11 February 2015 - 01:01 PM, said:

Any idea what was said or where it is, if shared/posted?

NVM...of course I find it two seconds after posting this...FFS.

Sorry, too busy to find and link it myself atm.

[Inflatable Fish]

Burning Chrome, on 11 February 2015 - 01:01 PM, said:

Any idea what was said or where it is, if shared/posted?

NVM...of course I find it two seconds after posting this...FFS.

any chance for a link?

[NocturnalBeast]

Inflatable Fish, on 11 February 2015 - 01:28 PM, said:

any chance for a link?

Here is a link to the summary on Reddit: http://www.reddit.co..._bishopsteiner/ .

[Bloodweaver]

Axeface, on 11 February 2015 - 08:37 AM, said:

I did the first edit quickly, here's a second attempt that I took more time on. Still not perfect or anything but I think it's closer to the concept.

Actually, that's pretty ******* ideal as far as the head is concerned.

I still insist that the shoulders are nearly as much a problem area as the head, even more so than the arms or lower legs/feet.

[Koniving]

So this is completely random and I doubt a PGI person will be looking this way, but...

I was digging through Megamek on the Canon Quirks (using the BT quirk rules, etc) and came across this.

" <unit>
<chassis>Enforcer</chassis>
<model>ENF-4R</model>
<weaponQuirk>
<weaponQuirkName>fast_reload</weaponQuirkName>
<location>RA</location>
<slot>3</slot>
<weaponName>Autocannon/10</weaponName>
</weaponQuirk>
</unit>
"
What this canon BT quirk means is that the AC/10, by BT's standards, can reload (and thus fire) twice as fast as the standard AC/10.

Just a thought.

Some others of note:

Spoiler

<unit>
<chassis>UrbanMech</chassis>
<model>all</model>
<quirk>low_profile</quirk>
</unit>
(Simply means it's short.)

<unit>
<chassis>Highlander</chassis>
<model>all</model>
<quirk>reinforced_legs</quirk>
</unit>
(Means that all Highlanders have reinforced legs to allow them to take less damage [when performing Death From Above attacks].)

<unit>
<chassis>Awesome</chassis>
<model>all</model>
<quirk>battle_fists</quirk>
</unit>
Quirk has no use here, but means it deals extra melee damage (so perhaps extra collision damage when ramming?)

The Commandos have a negative quirk; exposed actuators.

<unit>
<chassis>Dragon</chassis>
<model>all</model>
<quirk>stable</quirk>
</unit>
Simply means that Dragons are harder to knock down in melee combat.

Interesting quirks that won't have bearing on gameplay here.
Shadowhawks have improved life support.
Spiders can't eject, period.
Blackjacks get half resale value compared to well, anything, because of a bad reputation involving their feet and fears that they would topple over under fire more than most mechs -- something completely untrue but aside from the Davions no one would take that bet.
Adder gets a cowl, raising its head armor a bit.
The Hellsinger Battlemaster hero mech carries a 'droppable' (jettison capable) PPC in each hand, which the pilot can drop and pick back up later so that it can engage in a fist-throwing brawl and then return to sharp shooting.
The Jackalope is considered to be a compact mech.

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Of interesting note:
The Thunderbolt has Multi-Trac, allowing it to target up to two enemies without penalty to accuracy (doable with MWO already, so the only feasible addition here would be to allow twin missile locks? But even that's kinda bleh).

The Stalker has a combat computer. Units equipped with advanced computers that can effectively manage heat levels more efficiently than standard computers can be given the Combat Computer Quirk; the presence of the Quirk indicates in game terms that the heat generated by the unit each turn is reduced. Applicable to: AeroSpace Fighters, BattleMechs and Small Craft.

[Tordin]

If by any chance PGI. Please look at the model change suggestions here, they are pretty good, close to the concept as it should be.
Couldnt the 3d modeller edit the Enforcer? I bet its the only chance to do it now, before you send the enforcers on your way to those who purchased them. After that you cant change the model, Im a right?

[Bloodweaver]

Tordin, on 14 February 2015 - 09:57 AM, said:

I bet its the only chance to do it now, before you send the enforcers on your way to those who purchased them. After that you cant change the model, Im a right?

They can. The Catapult model was narrowed to be closer to the concept art during/right after closed beta, IIRC. And they've added dynamic weapon hardpoints to the 'mechs (a few still haven't received this modification). But, "can" and "will" are not the same thing. Which is a shame, because easily half of the in-game models would look a million times better -and even perform better- with nothing more than the same model adjustment the Catapult got. Centurion, Awesome, and Quickdraw are among the most obvious examples.

Edited by Bloodweaver, 14 February 2015 - 01:03 PM.

[Kjudoon]

And thanks to the latest weekend update we know that the Panther is sleightly smaller/thinner than the Firestarter and the Enforcer is the same height but WAY thinner than the Centurion.

Good deal!