142 replies to this topic

[Gattsus]

I haven't played in a while CW.... and the TDR-9S made me curl and cry....

In PUG I don't see them that often but in CW they broke the game for me. We faced waves of 5-6 TDR-9S ER-PPCs (whores - for maximum saltiness) and it was painful to watch.

Is it that broken in CW or should I L2P?


A summary of the best answers:


Major Tryhard:

I will save you some time by condensing all the replies you are going to get in this one post.

- lolwut, l2p

- zerg rush them with brawlers and hope they run out of coolshots before your team runs out of mechs.

- me and my leet unit roll lightningbolts all the time, I have no idea what you are talking about, probably bad player.

- yeah, but what about clans, they also have OP mechs, so there.

- some more l2p


Wildstreak:

You forgot the following 'traditional' replies.

- (insert meme meant to degrade and shame you here.)

- (insert someone claiming to know real combat when they don't.)

- This is a TEAM game. Teamwork OP! (said by people failing to demonstrate team behavior.)

- TDR-9S is fine because in non-CW it does not do that well. (Complete lie, I am collecting after-match shots involving TDR-9S Mechs, so far only 1 seen and that one did obnoxiously well.)

- (deafening silence as the TDR-9S & No Nerf defenders hope that ignoring someone will 'make the complaint go away.')

- Then there is the ever popular, "Clanner *****! You are a Clanner!" It comes in several variations and is currently used to show bad reading comprehension and/or ignoring the details of the person they are screaming at.

Edited by Gattsus, 07 February 2015 - 07:37 AM.

[Weeny Machine]

The joy of pro premade play!

[Aiden Skye]

Hope you have your flame shield activated OP. The IS defense force will soon arrive.

[Furious Zen Master]

I will save you some time by condensing all the replies you are going to get in this one post.

- lolwut, l2p

- zerg rush them with brawlers and hope they run out of coolshots before your team runs out of mechs.

- me and my leet unit roll lightningbolts all the time, I have no idea what you are talking about, probably bad player.

- yeah, but what about clans, they also have OP mechs, so there.

- some more l2p

[aniviron]

Just chiming in on the 9S again to wonder why the Thunderbolt 9S, a mech with one PPC stock on a chassis that was underwhelming but not awful, got quirks that are twice as powerful as the Awesome 9M, which is one of the worst mechs in the game, and is famous for being an ER PPC boat.

[Ghogiel]

Major Tryhard, on 07 February 2015 - 05:17 AM, said:

- me and my leet unit roll lightningbolts all the time, I have no idea what you are talking about, probably bad player.

I'll take l2p and my leet unit rolls over 9S spam all the time for 500 please.

[MechWarrior5152251]

A Terribad gets stomped in CW. He searches high and low for a reason, never being able to accept that he is a sub par player....

[John1352]

If a weapon is balanced by producing lots of heat, and is on par with other weapons, -50% heat is going to make it OP. PGI should know this.

[MechWarrior5152251]

John1352, on 07 February 2015 - 05:21 AM, said:

If a weapon is balanced by producing lots of heat, and is on par with other weapons, -50% heat is going to make it OP. PGI should know this.

LOL, the IS ERPPC is not "balanced" You will almost never see one used except on a T-bolt. Any player who isn't in special ed should know this....

[Torgun]

We've already been told a quirk pass is happening the 17th, how about see what happens then before we get back to complaining about the Thunderbolt?

[Ghogiel]

John1352, on 07 February 2015 - 05:21 AM, said:

If a weapon is balanced by producing lots of heat, and is on par with other weapons, -50% heat is going to make it OP. PGI should know this.

Still not sure why it was rated so low on the tier list at the time and got such good quirks. But I don't mind as I like TDRs, it is what the summoner is based on after all :3

I get the feeling that PGI favoured the amount of play time it had overall as the metric to determine amount of quirking mechs would get. No one hardly used the TDRs at the time for various reasons, namely CTF was the go to heavy. Prior to quirks there was hardly anything between T2-4s imo, only the outliers in T1 and 5 was where the discrepencys really are.
Even the CPLT generally got less quirks and they were never all that better than TDRs, just played more often.

Edited by Ghogiel, 07 February 2015 - 05:33 AM.

[Alistair Winter]

The TDR-9S quirks are ridiculous. They should be replaced by generic energy weapon quirks, and the TDR-9S needs to be nerfed.

Players who can't see beyond their allegiance to Inner Sphere or Clans and constantly engage in pissingcontests to debate whether the Timber Wolf or Thunderbolt should be nerfed harder, should all slap themselves with a trout.

However, there's no need for Inner Sphere fanbois to defend the TDR-9S. Russ Bullock has already said he's not going to nerf it. Because according to PGI research carried out in 2013, fans just love excessive PPC spam.

[Wildstreak]

Some Mechs are still broke and the TDR-9S is one of them.

Clan Mechs need a pass with actual quirks negative & positive to make more usable.

IS Mechs need a look at what current quirks have done, an example was the strange BJ quirks I just noted here.

The TDR-9S is doing very well outside CW, shamelessly well, people who say it is not are those who play CW a lot if not exclusively so have not seen it.

Major Tryhard, on 07 February 2015 - 05:17 AM, said:

I will save you some time by condensing all the replies you are going to get in this one post.

- lolwut, l2p

- zerg rush them with brawlers and hope they run out of coolshots before your team runs out of mechs.

- me and my leet unit roll lightningbolts all the time, I have no idea what you are talking about, probably bad player.

- yeah, but what about clans, they also have OP mechs, so there.

- some more l2p

You forgot the following 'traditional' replies.

- (insert meme meant to degrade and shame you here.)

- (insert someone claiming to know real combat when they don't.)

- This is a TEAM game. Teamwork OP! (said by people failing to demonstrate team behavior.)

- TDR-9S is fine because in non-CW it does not do that well. (Complete lie, I am collecting after-match shots involving TDR-9S Mechs, so far only 1 seen and that one did obnoxiously well.)

- (deafening silence as the TDR-9S & No Nerf defenders hope that ignoring someone will 'make the complaint go away.')

- Then there is the ever popular, "Clanner *****! You are a Clanner!" It comes in several variations and is currently used to show bad reading comprehension and/or ignoring the details of the person they are screaming at.

[Vandul]

Major Tryhard, on 07 February 2015 - 05:17 AM, said:

I will save you some time by condensing all the replies you are going to get in this one post.

- lolwut, l2p

- zerg rush them with brawlers and hope they run out of coolshots before your team runs out of mechs.

- me and my leet unit roll lightningbolts all the time, I have no idea what you are talking about, probably bad player.

- yeah, but what about clans, they also have OP mechs, so there.

- some more l2p

Im disappointed its an IS guy complaining.

[Sarlic]

Blame PGI they said.

So why is no one pointing to the players? They have the mindset. They don't change their mindset or take reponsibility.

Have fun with your 'quirks' while it lasts. Those is what i call, with all respect, the sad players.
Because we all know what happens next.

Edited by Sarlic, 07 February 2015 - 07:00 AM.

[BigFatGator]

It's just a very strange jump for a mech that isn't a known PPC boat.
It would have been more interesting quirk if it has been -40% heat and been on the Awesome.
At least then you pay 80T for the 3ERPPC trick and not 65T in the deck, and we'd actually see some awesomes.

[Yosharian]

MechWarrior5152251, on 07 February 2015 - 05:27 AM, said:

LOL, the IS ERPPC is not "balanced" You will almost never see one used except on a T-bolt. Any player who isn't in special ed should know this....

Reading comprehension FTW. He didn't say it was balanced. He said that the mechanism of balancing is heat. Now that may or may not be true, but your comment is the most ******** thing in this exchange, that much is known.

[Ngamok]

Gattsus, on 07 February 2015 - 04:47 AM, said:

I haven't played in a while CW.... and the TDR-9S made me curl and cry....

In PUG I don't see them that often but in CW they broke the game for me. We faced waves of 5-6 TDR-9S ER-PPCs (whores - for maximum saltiness) and it was painful to watch.

Is it that broken in CW or should I L2P?

Would you complain if those same 5-6 people immediately hit you with ER LL each time you poked your head out? How about dual Gauss? I can guarantee you all of those guys aren't just exposing their high torso mounted guns because they all can't stand in the same spot.

[Fate 6]

aniviron, on 07 February 2015 - 05:19 AM, said:

Just chiming in on the 9S again to wonder why the Thunderbolt 9S, a mech with one PPC stock on a chassis that was underwhelming but not awful, got quirks that are twice as powerful as the Awesome 9M, which is one of the worst mechs in the game, and is famous for being an ER PPC boat.

^
But also, coulda just given those PPC quirks to a DIFFERENT Thunderbolt. If the 5S or the 5SE had gotten those PPC quirks (disregarding cannon loadouts here for sake of discussion) we wouldn't be in as much of a pickle because the Thunderbolt wouldn't have the Right Torso of Exodia. A HUGE amount of the issue is that right torso. I think the quirk numbers are a bit high too, but regardless of numbers the current setup makes the TDR-9S a better PPC mech than the K2 will ever be.

[Duke Nedo]

It was good already after the 1 St quirk pass, then they doubled the heat bonuses.... I play mostly is and this is the only obvious overquirk IMO. Roll back to 25% heat and it's in a good place...