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[EgoSlayer]

I guess everyone in the field of metaphysics needs to change their field name, the OP says they are using the wrong meta definition...

[MoonUnitBeta]

Can i use "meta" in place of "far out"?

So like, say something cool happens, can i say, "meta, man." instead of "far out, man."?

[CDLord HHGD]

Please stop using the word "wrong" incorrectly.

[PurpleNinja]

Most of the people here are meta ignorant.

[Vandul]

You have no idea.

Metagaming

http://tft.brainiac....agameindex.html

[Rizzelbizzeg]

Meta meta meta meta

Spoiler

Edited by Rizzelbizzeg, 13 February 2015 - 09:32 AM.

[Fragnot]

Paigan, on 13 February 2015 - 06:01 AM, said:

tl;dr: "meta" means above/beyond/outside, not unfair. STOP USING IT THAT WAY, it causes brain pain simply by reading it.

I agree with your definition here, but not with your examples. The examples you gave are more like exploits because they involve doing things outside the developers intention of what players should be able to do. To play the meta-game is to still play within the boundries of what the developers allow.

The term 'meta-game' refers to the game 'above/beyond/outside' the normal version of the game and often used in reference to a particular game's competitive scene. I first heard the term in competitive MTG play. WoTC made a nice card game with 1000's of cards, and in casual matches anything can happen and it's anyones game. But in competitive play, there evolved a meta-game involving only a couple 100 of those cards making up a handful of very powerful decks. If your deck wasn't able to handle facing these decks you may as well not even play...

This becomes a game 'above/beyond/outside' the normal version of the game because it operates on a narrow set of conventions that must be adhered to in order to 'play'. So I think you definition is fine and so is the way most people use the word.

[Levi Porphyrogenitus]

@OP:
Meta refers to any part of the game that takes place outside of the basic gameplay. In MWO's case, the Mechlab is part of the metagame. Meta builds are build paths for specific variants in the mechlab portion of the metagame that dominate the in-match portion of the game proper.

Therefore, meta builds are indeed properly referred to as such.

[Mystere]

As the old saying goes: 'Eat ****! A million flies can't be wrong.'

[Bhael Fire]

FupDup, on 13 February 2015 - 07:08 AM, said:

Actually, in a way it's not entirely inaccurate because a huge amount of this game's information about mechanics is located externally (outside of the game itself) instead of internally....

Good point.

The fact is, metagaming, at its heart, means to exploit aspects of the game that you (as the player) shouldn't have knowledge of.

In the case of MWO, we the players are essentially taking the role of mechwarriors; and as such, the mechwarrior "character" really shouldn't have specific game stats and knowledge of specific game mechanics at their disposal.


So, essentially, min/maxing is a form of metagaming...because you are exploiting specific statistics that your "character" (i.e. the avatar that represents you in the game) most likely would have no knowledge of...at least not to such an accurate degree.

[LORD ORION]

http://www.well.com/...ow/metacrap.htm

[tucsonspeed6]

its pretty hard to use the term meta wrong, when you're on a forum discussing the state of the game and it's playerbase. The forum IS the metagame.

[process]

tucsonspeed6, on 13 February 2015 - 11:17 AM, said:

its pretty hard to use the term meta wrong, when you're on a forum discussing the state of the game and it's playerbase. The forum IS the metagame.

Yeah but we're discussing the metagame, so now we're the metametagame.

[jlawsl]

I think I have to agree with the OP on this one. Meta is being used incorrectly. Also, just because a small group of people use a word incorrectly over time, does not mean that they have given it new meaning. Look at all of the slang that comes and goes over the years.

I don't really care for it, but I think it is annoying. Its used as more of an abbreviation then anything else:

What is the "meta" in CW right now?
What is the current trend in Community Warfare right now?

Dang, they just nerfed my "Meta" 9S.
Alas, the designers negatively balanced the quirks on my TDR-9S.

And so on. personally, I find childish build abbreviations to be the most annoying-
AC40 Jager? Fine.
Boom Jager...eh.
3xAc5 Banshee? Ok
Dakka banshee...Really, what grade are we in?
LPL Wolverine? Not really valid any more, but ok.
Wuberine...so annoyingly childish, probably the sole reason it got nerfed.

Also, lazy misspellings that I guess people consider "cute" or something.-
lasers-lazors, right...
lrms-lurms, add a letter? What does the "u" stand for? Ah, its pronouncing it...haha?
terrible-terribad, it really is isn't it? The level of intellect needed to think this is cool.

These are some of the immature words found commonly in the forums. Its kind of hard for me to take a retort or reply that may be in dissonance from my own seriously when it contains words like these. I know that it is preference, but to me, its a bunch of mostly grown men sounding like 12 year olds. How far must we fall? We already argue all of the time about pixelated, make believe robots in a game. Must we loose out minds as well as our maturity?

Eh, just a joke about the last part, people can speak how they wish.

[KamikazeRat]

process, on 13 February 2015 - 12:15 PM, said:

Yeah but we're discussing the metagame, so now we're the metametagame.

thats pretty deep right there....

also watch this....seriously...it pretty well explains the term Metagame. Also explains imbalance and how it isn't always bad.

[Scyther]

Back when CoH was still a thing, we used to use 'fotm' most places where people use 'meta' now. Of course, there was enough variety, combinations, and changes over time that those builds only did last a month or three.

(PS: the rampant misuse of 'rouge' and 'viola' internet-wide is a far more serious issue. You should get on it)

Edited by MadBadger, 17 February 2015 - 06:22 PM.

[Fragnot]

jlawsl, on 17 February 2015 - 05:39 PM, said:

Dakka banshee...Really, what grade are we in?

No, the proper question is 'what race are we?' and the answer is Orks....in the year 40,000.

[lsp]

You're wrong about what META means, it means the same thing across all games. Playing the best items avialable and min/max. It's in EVE too, and by the way, hot dropping only works on noobs. Come out to catch and you'll get whooped if you try that. I was in [SOUND] I'm inactive at the moment. https://zkillboard.c...acter/94658466/

Playing the end game, aka the META game. Like being in nullsec in EVE, or doing incursions, you have to be min/max for that. Same in any game.
Haha, my first roam in Nullsec as a new player( intel channel isn't blocked because I was a newb)

Edited by lsp, 17 February 2015 - 08:54 PM.

[Troutmonkey]

"The Meta"
and
"Meta-Gaming"

are slightly different but related terms.

"The Meta" is what is currently powerful. It is information available to you outside of the game. This term is now used across many games, including card games like Magic. If you are using a build that is currently popular (and maybe successful) you are part of "The Meta" or have a "Meta" build.

You use this information about "The Meta" before playing to prepare for how you will play in the game. This is "Meta-Gaming", as it occurs outside of the game. In Magic players can see what decks are common / strong and build decks that will compete favourably against them. In MWO it means understanding what mechs and strategies people are running and how best to counter them.

Meta-Gaming still applies to other out of game / pre-game actions that are designed to confuse, outwit or influence the decisions of your opponents, but this is less common than people building around "The Meta".

As far as I can tell, the term is used correctly, and given context is easy to understand. In language the goal is to communicate, and in this effort the word achieves it's goal.

Edited by Troutmonkey, 17 February 2015 - 11:13 PM.

[Brody319]

I'm sorry but thats now how language works, it changes in meaning and usage over time. thats how language works.

just because your text book definition is different, that doesn't mean crap. There is a reason they keep making new dictionaries! if all words stayed the same meaning they would just have the one they would reprint.