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[Sp4rtan]

.RVN-2X
Specialty
Additional Armor (LA) +12
Additional Structure (LL&RL) +8
Medium Laser Cooldown +10%
Energy Weapon Cooldown +10%
Medium Laser Range +10%
Energy Weapon Range +10%
Laser Duration -30%
Large Laser Heat Gen -12.5%
Energy Weapon Heat Gen -12.5%
Missile Weapon Cooldown +15%

Turn Rate +10%

Is it now better , more balanced?, Did the 2x Lpl Raven was too op for you to handle? What's the deal?
U mad or something?

Edited by Sp4rtan, 13 February 2015 - 07:19 AM.

[Dock Steward]

Why you do this?

[Mechteric]

We already got a thread with this info

http://mwomercs.com/...-17-2015-patch/

[Brut4ce]

Dock Steward, on 13 February 2015 - 06:55 AM, said:

Why you do this?

CapperDeluxe, on 13 February 2015 - 06:59 AM, said:

We already got a thread with this info

http://mwomercs.com/...-17-2015-patch/

Well, i think the OP has got a point. That whole list i went through was plain crap. Like the Raven 2X, the Wolverine 6K and a ER PPC Thunderbolt that some whined about where the only SERIOUS problem in balancing the game. Maybe those people that reviewed these changes got pwed by said mechs, and it hurt a bit too much? What about the pulse Firestarters, the autocannon Dragons, the boom Hunchbacks? Or what about some clan chassis, some desperately in need of some love, and others in need of some negative quirks?

....Just my 2 Cents

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[Bigbacon]

I am furious over this one....one of my favorite builds. It wasn't OP in anyway.

Great, force more raven variants to just be dual LL junk

[Dock Steward]

Brut4ce, on 13 February 2015 - 07:27 AM, said:

Well, i think the OP has got a point. That whole list i went through was plain crap. Like the Raven 2X, the Wolverine 6K and a ER PPC Thunderbolt that some whined about where the only SERIOUS problem in balancing the game. Maybe those people that reviewed these changes got pwed by said mechs, and it hurt a bit too much? What about the pulse Firestarters, the autocannon Dragons, the boom Hunchbacks? Or what about some clan chassis, some desperately in need of some love, and others in need of some negative quirks?

....Just my 2 Cents

<S>

He didn't have a point before he edited. It was merely a copy and paste of the quirk announcements.

[Fr4pes]

Yeah lets make the best 2 viable IS mechs with L.pulse quirks uselless , lets destory the WVN-6K and the RVN-2X , lets make the people who bought them, exped them , bought camo or colour for them regret their decision and sell the mechs. Seems like a good idea. Lets make all player play with clan mechs , like in public groups 8/12 playing clan mechs. Better leave dragons and firestarters unchanged since they are not "op" at all and also put some quirks in clans as well to make them even more op.

Edited by Frapes, 13 February 2015 - 07:39 AM.

[Bigbacon]

Frapes, on 13 February 2015 - 07:31 AM, said:

Yeah lets make the best 2 viable IS mechs with L.pulse quirks uselless , lets destory the WVN-6K and the RVN-2X , lets make the people who bought them, exped them , bought camo or colour for them regret their decision and sell the mechs. Seems like a good idea. Lets make all player play with clan mechs , like in public groups 8/12 playing clan mechs. Better leave dragons and firestarters unchanged since they are not "op" at all and also put some quirks in clans as well to make them even more op.

they didnt list all the quirks there and I feel they did that on purpose because other things are going to get the massive nerf bat and they didn't want to deal with the backlash before the patch. Dragon 1N i bet gets killed off, which is sad.

mechs that have all their firepower on a single arm are only OP until they lose that arm.

[Sp4rtan]

Well I guess they know something that we (like the rookies we are) don't.

[Sp4rtan]

Bigbacon, on 13 February 2015 - 07:44 AM, said:

they didnt list all the quirks there and I feel they did that on purpose because other things are going to get the massive nerf bat and they didn't want to deal with the backlash before the patch. Dragon 1N i bet gets killed off, which is sad.

mechs that have all their firepower on a single arm are only OP until they lose that arm.

sssssst dont speak of our hardpoints now they know our source of power!

Edited by Sp4rtan, 13 February 2015 - 07:54 AM.

[Brut4ce]

Bigbacon, on 13 February 2015 - 07:29 AM, said:

I am furious over this one....one of my favorite builds. It wasn't OP in anyway.

Great, force more raven variants to just be dual LL junk

Bigbacon, on 13 February 2015 - 07:44 AM, said:

they didnt list all the quirks there and I feel they did that on purpose because other things are going to get the massive nerf bat and they didn't want to deal with the backlash before the patch. Dragon 1N i bet gets killed off, which is sad.

mechs that have all their firepower on a single arm are only OP until they lose that arm.

^^ This 1000 times. But looks like the ppl who decided on those changes don't know how to aim Big Bacon.

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[Fate 6]

Brut4ce, on 13 February 2015 - 07:54 AM, said:

^^ This 1000 times. But looks like the ppl who decided on those changes don't know how to aim Big Bacon.

<S>

"aiming" doesn't change the fact that the DRG-1N is the best ballistic heavy the IS has. Compared to the CTF-4x it just does the same thing but way better. It just needs a bit of a tweak maybe down to 40%, and the CTF-4x needs a big boost (didn't see one mentioned yet).

[Fr4pes]

You cant say a mech is OP when it has the main weapons in 1 component only , you cut off 1 component and it's uselless. you see DRG-1N you cut off right arm simple as that.

[Deathlike]

I know the Raven-2X is bad, but from the quirks... a 30% reduction in duration is actually significant.

For a medium laser, you would spend like a quarter of a second less on the target. This doesn't seem like much, but that means less facetime. This would also be true of the Large Laser.

Still, it's still a bad mech due to hardpoints and just overall design.

[Fr4pes]

Deathlike, on 13 February 2015 - 08:20 AM, said:

I know the Raven-2X is bad, but from the quirks... a 30% reduction in duration is actually significant.

For a medium laser, you would spend like a quarter of a second less on the target. This doesn't seem like much, but that means less facetime. This would also be true of the Large Laser.

Still, it's still a bad mech due to hardpoints and just overall design.

Well you are a light mech that does peek a boo playstyle you are supposed to have shorter duration in your main weapon but they thought to put the raven 2x in longer duration weapon to do the same peek a boo style (as good as dead). Seems legit and smart.(not)

Edited by Frapes, 13 February 2015 - 08:40 AM.

[Deathlike]

Frapes, on 13 February 2015 - 08:40 AM, said:

Well you are a light mech that does peek a boo playstyle you are supposed to have shorter duration in your main weapon but they thought to put the raven 2x in longer duration weapon to do the same peek a boo style (as good as dead). Seems legit and smart.(not)

I'm not even sure you understand.

A 30% duration reduction literally converts all medium lasers to medium pulse and all large lasers to large pulse in terms of facetime (well almost anyways).

Of course this also helps existing users of said pulse weapons... so that's not even a problem.

Less facetime helps, and 30% is significant whether you realize that or not.

[Sp4rtan]

Deathlike, on 13 February 2015 - 08:50 AM, said:

I'm not even sure you understand.

A 30% duration reduction literally converts all medium lasers to medium pulse and all large lasers to large pulse in terms of facetime (well almost anyways).

Of course this also helps existing users of said pulse weapons... so that's not even a problem.

Less facetime helps, and 30% is significant whether you realize that or not.

Er......no.?

[Deathlike]

Sp4rtan, on 13 February 2015 - 08:55 AM, said:

Er......no.?

I'm going to repeat this one last time... in the best way that I can.

When you are in a Light mech, the best thing you can do for yourself is to show up when you opponents least expect it... dish your damage, and then get out.

The laser duration quirk is very significant, because it converts all of your existing lasers into pulse lasers... and made the existing pulse lasers even better.

When you don't have to face your targets for a very long time, you can be extraordinarily effective in any sort of "hit and run" on any target you please, as long as you have the ability to know when to strike.

I still believe the Raven-2X to be garbage, but the specific laser duration quirk literally allows the mech to operate like a laser ninja (since, there aren't any better weapons/options that it can field) and be extraordinarily effective with medium lasers and large lasers that are now as effective as their pulse equivalent... w/o needing as much tonnage to accomplish that.

I'm not saying the changes are good enough... but you are undervaluing what those changes happen to be.

[Saiphas Cain]

With the changes I won't be using the 9S anymore. It sucked at brawling before and the now lower DPS makes it a second rate choice for CW. This is considering I always ran the 2x rather than 3x ERPPC to begin with. At this point I'd much rather trade down to the RVN 3L 2xERLL, gain an ECM, and snipe that way, saving the tonnage to trade up a cataphract for a crab in CW drops. This also means I don't feel compelled to purchase the $50 MC pack since I feel no immediate need to get the 9SE and master the Thunderbolts now.

[Sp4rtan]

TDR-9S
Specialty
Additional Structure (LT&RT) +15
ER-PPC Heat Gen -12.5%
Energy Weapon Heat Gen -12.5%
ER-PPC Cooldown +12.5%
Energy Weapon Cooldown +12.5%
ER-PPC Velocity +30%
Laser Duration -15%
Missile Weapon Cooldown +15%

Why Why Why Too much poo poo in the pants? Who tha......What on.....I mean WHAT'S WRONG WITH YOU PEEPS????