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[Ashla Mason]

Infantry and vehicles would make for interesting additions to the command role, but I'd be wary of adding them as fully manifested player options; the whining that would occur when someone couldn't take down a medium mech with a combat rifle would be down right assinine.

Personally, I can't imagine having the clan invasion without elementals; More so then omnitech (which translated as greater versatility and reduced maitainence), the elemental meant that even the most powerful of mechs could be brought down by a small team of infantry. Until melee combat is optimized they won't be worth a damm though.

[William Thor]

If the dev's do end up deciding to implement vehicles/elementals, i think they should be fully be AI controlled.You could then implement a League of Legends like game mode, where the AI units are duking it out and fighting towards objectives, with the 12v12 mech play leading the charge.

It would add depth and to the game play as you could no longer just think about the other mechs. It would also add immersion since the battlefield would likely be larger, with a lot more going on and to think about (and it could add another layer to the commander role). Finally, it would keep the game a mech warrior game, but change it up a bit.


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Edited by William Thor, 30 June 2012 - 05:14 AM.

[thearticulategrunt]

While armor might be interesting personally I was thinking of the combined arms as more of a supporting add on either by mission or players. Here is what I mean.
--Aerospace: You gain/develop the rank/prestege to purchase an aerospace fighter. It goes in your hanger/dropship and you can add a "command channel" to your cockpit coms systems. Now you can designate it for a tough mission if someone else has an "additional assets" marker as well. It lingers overhead for a set period of time and you can call upon it to do straffing/bombing runs on a designated spot. If the enemy moves, wasted ammo, if your buddies move into the spot/area, you just committed friendly fire. Between missions you would also be responsible for reloading, refueling, and repairing the fighter like any of your mechs. (maybe have a nice interactable AI voice for the pilot)
--Artillery: Purchase and add to your hanger/dropship. Place in edge of battle map or even off map to enable you to call arty vollies (would be a great add on for light/rcn mech pilots). On or off map would just be for whether or not the devs wanted your opponents to be able to find and kill it. As with anything else you must rearm, repair, maintain it.
--Armor, elementals and infantry: You hire/purchase supporting troops. Whether you assign them to point defense or roll with you engaging as you engage would be up to you. Do you set them to watch a critical location, guard the objective, roll along on your flanks or even push forward to try and flush out your enemies...all dependent upon your style of tactics. Of course between matches you must repair, rearm tanks and elementals as well as hire replacements for casualties/losses.

We are the mechwarriors elite, we should command and lead such inferior forces, not be them lol. This is just some of my ideas on the possibilities of the subject. In the end, we are at the mercy of the devs though with any such things a balance would need to be established. If you are a high end elite crew there would need to be limitations on what you could do especially if facing a newbee crew or it will just drive new and inexperienced players away.

[deamon001]

personaly i hate elementals hard to kill but yes i think they should be added and vehicles as stated its part of the lore yes i mean keep it as just mechs to start then work out a play system where mechs n vehicles n elementals can work together if enough people wanted it in game !!

[Pook600]

MECHwarrior.....

[Future Perfect]

Hexenhammer, on 29 June 2012 - 12:32 PM, said:

I've played MechWarrior: Living Legends and it should be called BattleTech, not MechWarrior. Why? Because when I log on and get on a server I see 36 players and only 2-4 people in mechs. Everyone else is in aerospace fighters because they are a superior weapon's platform with speed and maneuverability.


Every option that gives a player not to pilot a Mech reduces the number of mechs a player fights and the game goes from mech sim to BattleTech Combined Arms.

I'm not saying don't add this or that but just making a personal observation about having to many options in a game.

That looks to me that the devs destroyed their own game.

A game with mechs that there is no point in playing as a mech since the other options are superior.

I hope that that won't happen to MechWarrior Online in the coming years.

Edited by Future Perfect, 30 June 2012 - 06:22 AM.

[Sky walker]

He talks BS. Don't listen to him.
Situation like that been there for some short period between patches. Last time I was playing it everything been perfectly fine - yes, Aerospace could kill mechs nicely, but at the end of the game ALWAYS Mechwarrior pilots ruled the scoreboard, no matter how good pilots were out there in the sky. They are annoyance that can be used nicely for strategical advantage - nothing more, nothing less.

[Sky walker]

thearticulategrunt, on 30 June 2012 - 05:45 AM, said:

We are the mechwarriors elite, we should command and lead such inferior forces, not be them lol.

In many cases in MW universe it's been other way around - vehicles led Mechs (usually command stuff from HQ vehicles, but there were also cases when commanders took part in a frontline battle leading from a tank, often leaders sit in dropships leading strategical aspects of operations while Mechwarriors just followed orders in same fashion as aerospace pilots did).

[Ice Bones]

I seem to remember vehicle being included in "Battletech: Cresenct Hawks Revenge". From what I remember, they made for a variant in the game that was fine for one mission (city), but not something I would have wanted in every mission. I think you had to escort and APC out of the City and some tanks were wandering around trying to stop you. If memory serves they were a pain to deal with, partially because I assumed they weren't mechs and should be easy to deal with. My point s they could make for some nice variations from time to time, but absolutely should not be an every mission type of thing.

[Nicola]

My fandom really got started for this franchise when it came to xbox with live online battles in the form of "Mechassult"

We came up with a game type where everyone would pick an Elemental, and one person would pick an Atlas or a Ragnarok and it would be David's vs Goliath, or Godzilla as it was more commonly called online.

Mechassult remains to this day on my top five list of best online games, it was so well balanced. I wish SOMEONE would do an Arcade release for the 360.

The second game was rubbish, and it goes back to the first comment to the OP, too many options.


TL;DR: Elementals are fun, and I'd like a rerelease of Mechassult XD

[SwirlingBrain]

@Sky Walker: I too think it would be interesting to have a mech commander role where the commander sets nav points and objectives and tells the mech warriors what to do on the battlefield. Like you said, they could sit in their dropship leading the strategy. I loved Mech Commander I and II. It could be the mech commander's role to control elementals and vehicles.

Edited by SwirlingBrain, 30 June 2012 - 06:48 AM.

[Herzog]

If vehicles were included they should be like the board game where they pretty much crit after three turns. That balances out the relatively thick armor that tanks have from having fewer hit locations.

[Oy of MidWorld]

William Thor, on 30 June 2012 - 05:12 AM, said:

If the dev's do end up deciding to implement vehicles/elementals, i think they should be fully be AI controlled.You could then implement a League of Legends like game mode, where the AI units are duking it out and fighting towards objectives, with the 12v12 mech play leading the charge.

It would add depth and to the game play as you could no longer just think about the other mechs. It would also add immersion since the battlefield would likely be larger, with a lot more going on and to think about (and it could add another layer to the commander role). Finally, it would keep the game a mech warrior game, but change it up a bit.


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I totally agree on this one.

And yeah, player driven tanks in living legends are annoying, primarily because they're very small, and often heavily armored. Devs even said they were overmodeled, to give them a chance against mechs. I'd love to see vtols, airstrikes tanks and elementals. Strictly ai controled that is.

[PhelenWard]

As far as Elementals are concened, I'd say the only way they would be usful would to make them so you can latch onto a mech and hit joints and heat sinks and such. I loved playing as an elemental in the older Mechwarrior games and could inflict serious damage to even assault mechs. Thing is you need at leas 5-10 to have an real effect in a large engagment.
As well mentioned earlier adding anything becides mech will thin out the amount of people in mechs drastically.

[Coolant]

I'd rather not see vehicles or planes because they aren't Mechs, but Battle Armor, oh my! They could have their place in a game being so tiny and manueverable (sp?), and they can pack a surprising punch. They could find a spot where no mech could go, and peck, peck, peck away from distance (until spotted and then they are toast). I loved playing BA in Mektek's MW4:Mercs mod. Sure they were slow and had nearly zero armor, but it was fun to strip as much as you could off and put on as much punch as you could and you were generally ignored over bigger threats until you hit them a couple of times actually doing noticeable damage over time. I liked to make them regret ignoring me.... So, yeah, down the line, after they release a lot of mechs, there is a lot of different maps etc. I would love to see Battle Armor make it in....

Edited by Coolant, 30 June 2012 - 07:03 AM.

[Mechwarrior3]

I think that it would be cool to add them in, but they would just be A.I controlled. (especially the vehicles).

[BulletChief]

i would LOVE to see a Battletech game within the (past) battlefield genre.

everyone starts as an elemental and there are numerous tanks, mechs and jets available ob the map - preset to keep it balanced.

or a planetside 2 approach where you are able to "warp in" your personal vehicle, be it a specific mech or tank. that way the variety of personally customized mechs could be kept.

any ideas?




but well... a mechwarrior game should stay about MECH warfare. though i wouldn't mind npc-controlled turrets and vehicles for base defence.

Edited by BulletChief, 30 June 2012 - 07:29 AM.

[CARNAGE MK2]

to quote paul "STOPPIT"

[GHQCommander]

The game could go this way but it would take years.

Anyone can imaging it becoming 25 v 25 with half of the numbers being made by by infantry, tanks and air units. The game might get there, one small step at a time. It has to stay MechWarrior and these other units would need to have some other purpose i.e. map related objectives that tie into larger story lines and so on.

Mechs cannot capture civilians right? They can't enter buildings. There is a whole side to the maps that has to be ignored as Mech pilots. Question is, how much will it need to be ignored by the developers as they create maps and objectives? There are thriving cities and economy on some worlds. At some stage we will need to interact with it.

Again though. I can see it being in many years.

[Henchman 24]

Hexenhammer, on 29 June 2012 - 12:32 PM, said:

I've played MechWarrior: Living Legends and it should be called BattleTech, not MechWarrior. Why? Because when I log on and get on a server I see 36 players and only 2-4 people in mechs. Everyone else is in aerospace fighters because they are a superior weapon's platform with speed and maneuverability.


Every option that gives a player not to pilot a Mech reduces the number of mechs a player fights and the game goes from mech sim to BattleTech Combined Arms.

I'm not saying don't add this or that but just making a personal observation about having to many options in a game.

You sir, need to find better servers...I have almost never seen this happen.

Yes folks take out whats best for the situation, yes the usual abusive twits we see everywhere do things that annoy with them, but to say there's no incentive to take a mech means you've never REALLY played it for any length of time. BTW, their name thing has been gone over til blue in the face, they did what they could for a name, get over it, blame the lawyers.