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[LiquidLlama]

To: Entitled ********

If you have a ****** attitude toward people who are new to the game, expect to drive those players away.

Yeah, I'm going to bring trial 'Mechs to Clan Warfare. Why? BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ELSE. I've been on winning teams and contributed decently. You don't like it because we lose to an entire 12-man? Don't blame it on the "pubbers" who bring trial 'Mechs without ECMs - perhaps YOU should have brought the ECMs. Better yet, maybe you should realize that in a pug against a cohesive 12-man unit, we're likely going to get stomped regardless.

I know it's hard for you to think outside your own, self-centered little world, but you know being a good sport and - dog forbid, NICE to someone else - doesn't have to go hand-in-hand with winning, right? You know that, right?

But hey, if you want to keep people from supporting MWO and turning this game into an even tougher sell than it already is, by all means, keep being {Richard Cameron} (I have no idea who Richard Cameron is, but I'm sure the forum had a good reason for autocorrecting whatever word was there to that). That'll work nicely.

Please note: If this doesn't apply to you as an MWO Vet, then I'm obviously not talking about you; I've certainly run across a few helpful, decent human beings here. However, there seem to be an inordinate number of clownshoes running around, so if this does apply to you, then by all means, take it to heart.

[FupDup]

Related, the "Paulconomy" (slang term for grindy economy experience of buying new mechs) and often unoptimized trial mechs have been needing improvement for quite some time now. Whether it'll happen or not, however, is anyone's guess...

Edited by FupDup, 16 February 2015 - 07:37 PM.

[Brody319]

I just highly suggest playing Solo drops and not CW since it will a match people with your skill level so you can have a fair fight.

but if you wanna play CW, I got not problem if you bring trials. but a lot of trials are based on an old meta and thus are really bad now. The Stalker for example has an XL, but the stalker has giant side torsos and will die fast.

Just be careful with the trials you pilot.

[FupDup]

Brody319, on 16 February 2015 - 07:39 PM, said:

I just highly suggest playing Solo drops and not CW since it will a match people with your skill level so you can have a fair fight.

but if you wanna play CW, I got not problem if you bring trials. but a lot of trials are based on an old meta and thus are really bad now. The Stalker for example has an XL, but the stalker has giant side torsos and will die fast.

Just be careful with the trials you pilot.

Most of the trials don't seem to be based on any meta, really. That XL Stalker is probably the worst example of them all lol.

Edited by FupDup, 16 February 2015 - 07:40 PM.

[Brody319]

FupDup, on 16 February 2015 - 07:40 PM, said:

Most of the trials don't seem to be based on any meta, really. That XL Stalker is probably the worst example of them all lol.

the Cataphract has a very poptarty meta feel to me. Some of them are just generally good, but others do seem to favor one kind of meta that no longer exists.

[LordKnightFandragon]

FupDup, on 16 February 2015 - 07:36 PM, said:

Related, the "Paulconomy" (slang term for grindy economy experience of buying new mechs) and often unoptimized trial mechs have been needing improvement for quite some time now. Whether it'll happen or not, however, is anyone's guess...

Replace all trials with the go to Meta for that mech chassis?


ofc, Paulconomy just needs to be reverted to CB economy...250K for doing nothing......11million in 30 games for me haha...and each time I died in like 30 seconds, couldnt aim cuz the senstivity was so damn fast a mere twitch of the mouse threw my aim all over the screen.....366K avg in 30 games hahaha.....

[FupDup]

LordKnightFandragon, on 16 February 2015 - 07:41 PM, said:

Replace all trials with the go to Meta for that mech chassis?


ofc, Paulconomy just needs to be reverted to CB economy...250K for doing nothing......11million in 30 games for me haha...and each time I died in like 30 seconds, couldnt aim cuz the senstivity was so damn fast a mere twitch of the mouse threw my aim all over the screen.....366K avg in 30 games hahaha.....

I wouldn't use the go-to meta, because many of them require really specialized playstyles and coordinated teams to shine. By the same token, however, they should be sensibly designed to be effective.

For example, who's bright idea was it to make a trial Raven with only half leg armor?

Brody319, on 16 February 2015 - 07:41 PM, said:

the Cataphract has a very poptarty meta feel to me. Some of them are just generally good, but others do seem to favor one kind of meta that no longer exists.

2 LL + LB 10-X + 2 ML wouldn't make a very good poptart... The only trial that comes close is the PPC + 2 AC/5 Shadow Hawk, which could probably be done better with an AC/10 and ERPPC (because tonnage and minimum range).

[Brody319]

I'd rather they just give new players their new player c-bill bonus, and full refunds on mechs and equipment for say a week after that bonus ends. At least so they can experiment with mechs.

I know I made several horrible mistakes when I started. Trebuchet (just after the poptart meta) and a Catapult A1, and was out of cash to upgrade them, so both were basically stock.

[Pjwned]

It's not my intent to **** on new players playing community warfare with trial mechs, but...

You are almost certainly just adding bodies to the pile of cannon fodder with trial mechs that have no skills in the mech tree, and a lot of trial mech builds are not very good either; aside from that community warfare is not exactly a great mode to learn the game because of its more "hardcore" nature.

As a couple others have suggested (and I imagine more will do the same) you should probably stick to standard solo queue matches if you can't even bring your own mechs.

Edited by Pjwned, 16 February 2015 - 08:04 PM.

[Mechwarrior Buddah]

FupDup, on 16 February 2015 - 07:40 PM, said:

Most of the trials don't seem to be based on any meta, really. That XL Stalker is probably the worst example of them all lol.

Then again, the hero mechs dont either - The Grid Iron. WHO THE HELL puts an XL on a Hunchback, especially as it has a giant "shoot me here" sign on one of it's torsos?

Hell, the Boar's head as well for the same reason

Edited by Mechwarrior Buddah, 16 February 2015 - 08:28 PM.

[LiquidLlama]

See, here's the thing: Clan Warfare is a lot more fun to me. There's more teamwork involved. I'm better at it because it's not a furball. It's more rewarding in general.

I've paid money to play this game just like many others; shouldn't I be able to play it the way I like even if someone else disagrees?

Short answer: Yes.

[Mechwarrior Buddah]

LiquidLlama, on 16 February 2015 - 08:28 PM, said:

See, here's the thing: Clan Warfare is a lot more fun to me. There's more teamwork involved. I'm better at it because it's not a furball. It's more rewarding in general.

I've paid money to play this game just like many others; shouldn't I be able to play it the way I like even if someone else disagrees?

Short answer: Yes.

Youre looking to jump directly into a mode that even the devs call "hardcore mode" without playing the non hard mode first. If youre ok with that, you have a long uphill climb then.

Edited by Mechwarrior Buddah, 16 February 2015 - 08:30 PM.

[Brody319]

LiquidLlama, on 16 February 2015 - 08:28 PM, said:

See, here's the thing: Clan Warfare is a lot more fun to me. There's more teamwork involved. I'm better at it because it's not a furball. It's more rewarding in general.

I've paid money to play this game just like many others; shouldn't I be able to play it the way I like even if someone else disagrees?

Short answer: Yes.

you have the right to play the game how you want even if you didn't pay.


I was just saying that solo que is a better place to learn about the game and good for testing builds, CW is fun and people are much more focused on the goal of the game, but you will have to face people who are vastly more skilled and who will make it harder to play.

but I won't be telling someone to leave because they use Trials.

[Mechwarrior Buddah]

Brody319, on 16 February 2015 - 08:32 PM, said:

you have the right to play the game how you want even if you didn't pay.


I was just saying that solo que is a better place to learn about the game and good for testing builds, CW is fun and people are much more focused on the goal of the game, but you will have to face people who are vastly more skilled and who will make it harder to play.

but I won't be telling someone to leave because they use Trials.

Me neither, its just from a skills perspective of running face first into a brick wall being that theres nothing helping you find forces akin to your own like elo or 3/3/3/3

It has less to do with ppl being ******** and more to do with starting a game on Nightmare mode then complaining that its hard.

Its SUPPOSED to be harder. Thats the point of it as far as the devs have told us

Edited by Mechwarrior Buddah, 16 February 2015 - 08:49 PM.

[Carcass23]

Mechwarrior Buddah, on 16 February 2015 - 08:36 PM, said:

It has less to do with ppl being ******** and more to do with starting a game on Nightmare mode then complaining that its hard.

Its SUPPOSED to be harder. Thats the point of it as far as the devs have told us

He didn't complain that is was hard. He complained that someone took time out to berate him for bringing trials to CW, obviously he didn't check with them first beforehand. Who doesn't love being told what mech to bring to battle? I personally adore players who tell me never to bring LRMs to a battle again. I rarely use them, when I do I know how to hit a target. Anyone that thinks its ok to berate another player for his build is not worth listening to, period.

[627]

CW is not more "hardcore" than pub queue. You just have some variables that can lead to a big disadvantage for pubbers and/or new players.

First, you have no Elo Matchmaking... there are so few players we're happy if we find any match.
With this comes second, no form of group size matching or no working way at the moment.

If you get CW out of beta and if someday™ this will be the primary gamemode in MWO with a big playerbase, those two things aren't an issue anymore.

The last thing would be entitled players. Nobody likes losing, and some players can't handle losing at all.

We all know those guys: rushing in, getting killed. And spamming the chat with rage and tears what a sh!tty team we are and how we didn't support him. Him, the godsent player...
For some people, the rest of the teammates are more or less bots who are solely there to carry his lazy ass to victory.

You can't change that. People these days have never really learned to play an online pvp game.
Too much crutches in other games and this "you can always win" attitude...

[Mystere]

Mechwarrior Buddah, on 16 February 2015 - 08:36 PM, said:

It has less to do with ppl being ******** and more to do with starting a game on Nightmare mode then complaining that its hard.

Its SUPPOSED to be harder. Thats the point of it as far as the devs have told us

Please let me interrupt ...

The OP obviously does not seem to mind the hard mode nature of CW because he did say he enjoys it. He is talking about the pieces of human excrement that complain about him bringing trial mechs.

I say they can all go fly a kite.

Edited by Mystere, 16 February 2015 - 11:38 PM.

[Karl Marlow]

FupDup, on 16 February 2015 - 07:40 PM, said:

Most of the trials don't seem to be based on any meta, really. That XL Stalker is probably the worst example of them all lol.

Oh they are based off of Meta. It used to be the Trial mechs where a rotation of stock mechs. So we put newbies in strait up stock mechs and threw them in public queues against upgraded mechs. When the whole champion things started PGI ran a contest where the community would submit builds to make champion mechs. PGI would then select on they liked the best.

The problem was they mech PGI selected wasn't the greatest but they were passable and alot better than the base stock variant. The Meta and the playerbase has moved on from that meta now and the old builds don't hold up as well. Plus the new Champions are no longer built based off of community suggestions as near as I can tell.

[Mercules]

LiquidLlama, on 16 February 2015 - 08:28 PM, said:

See, here's the thing: Clan Warfare is a lot more fun to me. There's more teamwork involved. I'm better at it because it's not a furball. It's more rewarding in general.

I've paid money to play this game just like many others; shouldn't I be able to play it the way I like even if someone else disagrees?

Short answer: Yes.

Yes, you have a right to. However, that will not protect you from ridicule about bringing what amounts to crap mechs, far behind the curve, with limited piloting experience to what is considered "hardcore" mode. Think about it this way. You show up to a paintball airball course with a sling shot and 20 paintballs and join into league play do you think teams that can fire 14+ balls per second with their fine tuned semi-auto markers that have power fed hoppers they can reload while continuing to fire, going through about a case of paint per match, are going to want you to hop into their team?

CW is not the place for learning to pilot or earning enough to buy mechs and in some cases you are going to be chalking up another victory for the opponent just by joining with trial mechs. Since that one battle might be all it takes for their faction to lose a planet instead of holding it or capturing it, you are going to tick people off.

So yeah they are probably overly rude about it, but at the same time look at it from their point of view. They might have had 8-10 organized people in a com-channel working together but here comes one less person able to help out when things get tough because they are in a poor build, that doesn't have skills that help boost it up OR modules. On top of that the pilot is new. So they are down 4 mechs from the get go and fighting an uphill battle for territory they actually might care about even if you don't.

[NextGame]

Personally, I think we are getting to the point of the game where it would be best to start new players with a handful of mechs that they own as default. Like maybe 4 trebuchets, or 4 dragons, or something else that no one actually runs.

Edited by NextGame, 17 February 2015 - 01:34 AM.