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[dervishx5]

Kuritan Diplomacy:

[Imigo Montoya]

i think if the offer is real you stop attacking our planets and talk... as long as Kurita is attacking there is no chance of an ceasefire defend the planets andtalk with the Davion High Command...


one thing bothers me: if fighting Davion is no fun because we are weak...why do you attack us an provoke a fight...? Fight the clans if this is more fun... we had our green problems to solve and that is enough for us...

but I don't think you can't get most Liao units in line to not attack Davion... in th EU timeframe there is TCAF and GS that never will give up fightting Davion, as long as they are attacking us it is our right to attack them.

and don't expect them to attack Marik they are not dumb

[Javin]

I think we can easily trust Liao before we could trust Kurita. They are only asking for a ceasefire now they have to fight more than one front. We know they abandoned the clan front. Marik is pushing them and suddenly they want peace. But only after they take the planets they want. I would rather become a vassal state to Liao than peace with Kurita.

[TheFuzzyBunny]

Played against you guys last night in four matches. We went 2-2. Only three of those matches were with NKVA majority teams. You guys were pretty cool personality this time with normal jokes and almost no mean spirited things said. The only borderline thing would possibly be the comment made "I thought AW mean Awful Weiners". That's kind of funny I guess, and could be contexted towards the Actual A&W hotdogs. It could also be taken worse, which lately has been the default reception to words like that.

The three games we played against you were Great though! We won a counter attack, then lost a counter attack when you guys got the kill lead by 1 and made us push out into you through the doors. Which was an excellent strategy. Then we lost a regular attack game by failing to kill Omega by something like 10%. Ironically our "sniper" guy somehow missed Omega in his last alpha and over heated himself to the hilarity of us all.

To sum up. Good matches last night Kurita and NKVA, sorry I personally didn't have more time to play more CW against you.

[Onmyoudo]

Javin, on 20 February 2015 - 04:29 AM, said:

I think we can easily trust Liao before we could trust Kurita. They are only asking for a ceasefire now they have to fight more than one front. We know they abandoned the clan front. Marik is pushing them and suddenly they want peace. But only after they take the planets they want. I would rather become a vassal state to Liao than peace with Kurita.

Marik pushed nobody, they lost every planet on our front and now don't have a front with us any more. We've also been fighting more than one front since day one - how you think this is new, I've no idea. If the clan front had been abandoned they would have been taking worlds every ceasefire for the last few weeks (they haven't) and would be much closer to Terra/Davion (they aren't). In short, get your facts right.

[Musashi Alexander]

I find it ironic that some southern houses feel comfortable enough to criticise northern houses about how well they are fighting off multiple clan invasion routes while simultaneously attacking those same northern houses from behind.

'How dare you not focus all of your attention on the clans while we have a nibble at your hindquarters?' they cry in protest. How they do it with a straight face is hard to fathom.

While I understand that the pressures on a house with multiple clan and inner sphere borders is fundamentally different to that of houses with only 2 or 3 (sometimes peaceful) inner sphere borders, it seems to me that 'we are helping you fight the clans by helping ourselves to your planets which bar our path to attacking the clans' is an unnecessarily convoluted and threadbare justification for making a landgrab. If it's a landgrab, just be honest about it.

[Lord Ikka]

If any Davion command officer would like to have a serious conversation about a ceasefire, please PM me or one of our other official ambassadors (Pwnface, CrockdaddyAoD, Reitmeier, callmejon).

We'd be happy to discuss terms and conditions. And for the record, once we agree to a ceasefire we keep it- look to the FRR/HK ceasefire that has been as stable or more so than your FedCom one. That ceasefire was negotiated by myself and others before the High Council even came together, so we honor our word.

Edited by Lord Ikka, 20 February 2015 - 07:10 AM.

[Musashi Alexander]

Speaking only for myself, I would welcome the opportunity to again look northwards and regain what was lost to the clans. What we lost to Davion in the first 6 weeks of CW has been reclaimed (and more) - so further southern expansion by HK isn't necessary or warranted. It feels to me like its time to move on - assuming that as soon as we about face we won't again have a Davion knife prodding us in the back.

[Prophetic]

Just don't get your hopes up about a ceasefire after what we have been seeing the last couple of days.

[Roadbeer]

Prophetic, on 20 February 2015 - 09:27 AM, said:

Just don't get your hopes up about a ceasefire after what we have been seeing the last couple of days.

Openly hostile towards Davion in both word and deed for several weeks, when Davion was at it's lowest.

Blames Davion for not being receptive to a Cease Fire


Seems Legit.

[Crockdaddy]

For the record,

Before the Marik blow up, I was in the process of tracking down AFFS to discuss a ceasefire. Mischief can corroborate this as we were talking through PMs on mwomercs. HK had decided last week to offer a ceasefire to Davion. We felt pressure and moral obligation to support the FRR effort. We didn't want o see FRR disappear and we knew the big Marik Merc units were at FRR doing work. Plus beating up on Davions was getting silly as HK had been in similar spot as the Davions were before. HK had reclaimed its territory and more. We wanted to address the growing needs inside of HK from a sizeable percentage of the community to focus solely or nearly so on the clan border. Our only real hang up with a Davion cease fire is we didn't want to abandon LIAO.

NS was strongly considering taking a short contract with FRR.

So I initiated contact with Mischief many hours before Marik started stabbing us in the back. Real life got in the way, when I came back online at midnight the crap had hit the fan with Marik. Davion seems emboldened now and the idea of a cease fire and clan focus seems a distant memory already.


Not once has DCMS high council not honored an agreement.

Roadbeer, on 20 February 2015 - 09:57 AM, said:

Openly hostile towards Davion in both word and deed for several weeks, when Davion was at it's lowest.

Blames Davion for not being receptive to a Cease Fire


Seems Legit.

You talk a lot ... so does NKVA ... difference is NKVA backs up their talk with actions. Plus, anytime I see the battle reports Marik was eating Davion planets faster than Kurita at times. From your posts you make a great forum warrior I suppose.

[Harathan]

CrockdaddyAoD, on 20 February 2015 - 10:03 AM, said:

You talk a lot ... so does NKVA ... difference is NKVA backs up their talk with actions.

Not sure the difference is what you think it is.

[hopterque]

Harathan, on 20 February 2015 - 10:16 AM, said:

Not sure the difference is what you think it is.

He's saying that at least we're good at the game, for all our idiot garbage spewing on the forums.

Roadbeer just spews garbage on the forums and then loses all the time.

[Musashi Alexander]

Prophetic, on 20 February 2015 - 09:27 AM, said:

Just don't get your hopes up about a ceasefire after what we have been seeing the last couple of days.

Well, logically speaking, it makes complete sense that a HK-Davion ceasfire would practically be a done deal.

Marik sets up nSL for the purpose of supporting northern houses against clans. This would see a ceasefire happening on HK-Davion border

Marik and friends are disappoint that HK did not agree to join nSL

Now HK seeks ceasfire on HK-Davion border in order to focus on fighting clans which was the aim of nSL

Davion part of nSL so why would they not agree to HK ceasefire thereby not following the stated aim of nSL?

Essentially, if Davion don't agree to ceasefire than surely the whole nSL concept is dead in the water after less than a week?

[Prophetic]

Musashi Alexander, on 20 February 2015 - 10:27 AM, said:

Well, logically speaking, it makes complete sense that a HK-Davion ceasfire would practically be a done deal.

Marik sets up nSL for the purpose of supporting northern houses against clans. This would see a ceasefire happening on HK-Davion border

Marik and friends are disappoint that HK did not agree to join nSL

Now HK seeks ceasfire on HK-Davion border in order to focus on fighting clans which was the aim of nSL

Davion part of nSL so why would they not agree to HK ceasefire thereby not following the stated aim of nSL?

Essentially, if Davion don't agree to ceasefire than surely the whole nSL concept is dead in the water after less than a week?

Simple really. HK won't join the nSL.

Davion would like to leverage that and turn other IS houses against us.

So no ceasefire.

[Musashi Alexander]

Prophetic, on 20 February 2015 - 10:31 AM, said:

Simple really. HK won't join the nSL.

Davion would like to leverage that and turn other IS houses against us.

So no ceasefire.

That may happen. I hope it doesn't.

If it does though would that not indicate that the nSL was a sham and a convenient tool used by some factions to further their own agendas (rather than actually support the fight against the clans)? And if that is the case then it seems to me that the DCMS High Council would have been proved right to try and stay out of nSL.

[Will HellFire]

Imigo Montoya, on 20 February 2015 - 03:19 AM, said:

but I don't think you can't get most Liao units in line to not attack Davion... in th EU timeframe there is TCAF and GS that never will give up fightting Davion, as long as they are attacking us it is our right to attack them.

and don't expect them to attack Marik they are not dumb

As a member of GS on Jade Falcon vacation, I have to say:

You are absolutely right. No Liao will ever stop fighting you Davions. I have to say its not really enjoyable, because you rarely can field a 12 man and those you field are usually terrible; but hey, things change in the game and maybe some unit decides to join you in the future.

I Jade Falcon at least we get one fight with SroT/12DG/Rex every once in a while, which are worthwhile matches win or lose. The IS pugs are just easy pickings and remind me of fighting Davions. Only its way faster to get fights.

Javin, on 20 February 2015 - 04:29 AM, said:

I would rather become a vassal state to Liao than peace with Kurita.

Excellent! That's the Spirit! Onwards to New Avalon! For the Chancellor!

Edited by Will HellFire, 20 February 2015 - 11:01 AM.

[MischiefSC]

An Anime Princess, on 20 February 2015 - 02:50 AM, said:

aside from being a dipshit at mischief in one game where i'd had a lousy day and he ran off at the mouth and i reciprocated, i think most of the davs i've dealt with in-game have been getting more and more chill. then again i don't think i ever really post anything that bad anyway (aside from every post i make (they're all garbage)) unless someone takes wild offense to my comment 2 posts up in which case idk, calm down jesus

That was also a month ago and the 3rd or 4th in a series of drops with escalating trash-talk on both sides. I wasn't bothered at the time and I'm certainly not now. More bothered that I was probably taking it a bit to far than anything that was said to me.

Different people have different tolerances though.

Forum diplomacy is about as effective at securing peace as forum warfare is at taking worlds.

Please. Sincerely. If Kurita is interested in opening a dialog then please reach out to AFFS Command and set up a time to talk.

[pwnface]

Imigo Montoya, on 20 February 2015 - 03:19 AM, said:

i think if the offer is real you stop attacking our planets and talk... as long as Kurita is attacking there is no chance of an ceasefire defend the planets andtalk with the Davion High Command...


one thing bothers me: if fighting Davion is no fun because we are weak...why do you attack us an provoke a fight...? Fight the clans if this is more fun... we had our green problems to solve and that is enough for us...

but I don't think you can't get most Liao units in line to not attack Davion... in th EU timeframe there is TCAF and GS that never will give up fightting Davion, as long as they are attacking us it is our right to attack them.

and don't expect them to attack Marik they are not dumb

As I've said already, no offer is on the table yet. Were just chatting here...

Javin, on 20 February 2015 - 04:29 AM, said:

I think we can easily trust Liao before we could trust Kurita. They are only asking for a ceasefire now they have to fight more than one front. We know they abandoned the clan front. Marik is pushing them and suddenly they want peace. But only after they take the planets they want. I would rather become a vassal state to Liao than peace with Kurita.

You do realize that Marik doesn't share a border with us any longer right? Maybe you should pay attention to the map a bit more. You guys managed to take 1 planet from us when we were fully focused on Marik. We do not have this distraction anymore.

[Monkey Lover]

pwnface, on 20 February 2015 - 11:26 AM, said:

You do realize that Marik doesn't share a border with us any longer right? Maybe you should pay attention to the map a bit more. You guys managed to take 1 planet from us when we were fully focused on Marik. We do not have this distraction anymore.

I love how you're feeling safe over there . Last I looked it's all a gamble now how we pick up worlds maybe this weekend or next we will have a border soon.