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[CyborgDragon]

Kjudoon, on 27 February 2015 - 11:37 PM, said:

1. Colors are universally unlocked?
2. I hear the warhorn samples.
3. Camos are confirmed unlocked on all resistance mech chassis, not just one chassis per.

1. Yes colours will be universally unlocked to use on any 'mech, like the previous packages.

2. I want to hear these too. Of the Clan Warhorns I only like the GB and SJ horns.

3. The camos will be permanently unlocked for you to swap around on the standard variants as much as you want, again like the previous packages (Polygon and Faction with Invasion, Hot Rod with Phoenix). Most likely the actual Resistance variants won't be able to use the faction camos, but I think the devs have said that they will allow Heroes/Founders/Phoenix etc 'mechs to be repainted at some point down the road.

Edited by CyborgDragon, 28 February 2015 - 06:52 PM.

[Kjudoon]

So you will always know a loyalty or resistance "hero" mech by its camo but the rest get the cool faction stuff. Okay. I just want to be sure. I don't mind the resistance camo, just the loyalty camo. Not to mention wanting to repaint some of my regular mechs with the new colors. Too bad there are a few repeats. Meh. Oh well.

[Greenjulius]

I'm looking forward to having another 18 colors come delivery day... That's a bunch of crap with the Crabs though. It's really too bad that the skin won't apply to them.

[Malleus011]

This is the first time I've seen *any* disclaimer about the Resistance skins not applying to the King Crab, and I've been watching these pages for months.

Due to the concept art PGI used, the Resistance sale inferred that the ( R ) 'mechs would have the Faction content patterns, and showing these patterns on the King Crab created an expectation that these patterns would apply to the King Crab.

The bullet-scarred Resistance skin was never mentioned in the sale description or shown in concept and showed up as a bit of a surprise when the sneak-peeks of Panther and Enforcer arrived. All previous 'mech sales had concept art showing skins that at least resembled the delivered product.

Showing a customer a picture of one thing and delivering something else creates a gap in expectation, and the potential for customer dissatisfaction. PGI has struggled with this a lot in the past and had been showing signs of improvement - but they should know better than the picture a product in one manner and deliver something different. This is primarily a communication problem. They can issue the 'mechs with Resistance skins, but please sell the packs with concepts of that skin, so the customer knows (approximately) what they are buying. If you aren't giving the customer the pictured skin for the 'mech pictured, put the disclaimer on when you post the initial images. Be clear to the customer what they're purchasing, as much as possible.

They need to address this issue.

[SethAbercromby]

Malleus011, on 28 February 2015 - 01:59 AM, said:

This is the first time I've seen *any* disclaimer about the Resistance skins not applying to the King Crab, and I've been watching these pages for months.

Really, the big "*Mech is for display purposes only." right below the previews didn't catch your eye at all? As others have pointed out, they used the KGC, because the model was already done, allowing them to draft up the mock skins while the other 'Mechs were still undergoing polish in the modeling departement. Or would you have preferred not seeing any preview at all for several months?

Yeah it sucks the KGC won't be included, because the camos look boss, but that makes me that much more exited to see how they look on the Resistance 'Mechs for some reason.

[YaKillinMeSmalls]

SethAbercromby, on 28 February 2015 - 02:09 AM, said:

Really, the big "*Mech is for display purposes only." right below the previews didn't catch your eye at all?

It didn't catch my eye at all because originally it wasn't there.

Now, I understand if they don't include six different King Crabs with the faction content packs, but the implication was that the skin itself would be available for the KGC and/or the Resistance 'mechs.

Edit to add: Also, check out the pic in the first post. It says at the bottom that the skin itself won't be available, not just the King Crab.

Edited by YaKillinMeSmalls, 28 February 2015 - 03:07 AM.

[SethAbercromby]

YaKillinMeSmalls, on 28 February 2015 - 03:04 AM, said:

It didn't catch my eye at all because originally it wasn't there.

He claimed he was watching the page for months, so my point remains. See the rest of my post for my stance on the rest.

[Joseph Mallan]

I selected Lyran of course. War horns are pointless. Coffee Mugs are pointless.

Now how much dough do I have to drop to earn the silver piping of the 10th Lyran Guards?

[Risko Vinsheen]

King Crab model was done, thus it was used for the mock up. The Crab was never considered part of the package and neither were Crab skins. I remember seeing clarification of this when the images were updated with the King Crab. I also recall seeing the "Mech for display purposes only" bit on the page a long time ago.

People really need to stop making assumptions about things and realize the obvious. The King Crab wasn't a part of the Resistance package so why would it get the skins when it's specifically stated that the camo patterns are for Resistance mechs only?

[Sjorpha]

It was clear to me from the start that the KGC skin was not part of the package, and just a display just like the MDD is on the clan pack 3, no complaints there.

What wasn't, and isn't, clear is whether the faction skins will be available to buy for the King Crab on the 17th (if it is I will buy the FRR skin immediately), I am expecting a possibility to buy faction skins for my KGC for MC since they are apparently done, and I'd like a confirmation on that. It would also be nice to get an ETA for when the faction skins will be purchasable for all the other IS mechs not in the resistance pack, and also when all the usual camo skins will be available for the resistance mech and the king crab.

Yep, I care about camos a lot

Edited by Sjorpha, 28 February 2015 - 06:58 AM.

[SweetJackal]

The reason why they used the King Crab is the same reason why they used the Mad Dog. At the time the renders of the Faction Camo Patterns went up they did not have any renders of the mechs within the package to put it on. As such they have to use a mech out of the package to give an example for.

The King Crab was where all the buzz was so they used that for the Resistance Pack, puts the faction camo in a more favorable light.

Edited by SuckyJack, 28 February 2015 - 07:14 AM.

[Onmyoudo]

Will there actually be faction skins for any other mechs, or just Resistance mechs? If they are more widely available I would like to pick some up for my other mechs.

[Risko Vinsheen]

Onmyoudo, on 28 February 2015 - 07:21 AM, said:

Will there actually be faction skins for any other mechs, or just Resistance mechs? If they are more widely available I would like to pick some up for my other mechs.

I'm sure they will be eventually. They've already stated the Clan Faction skins will get ported over to the Wave 1 mechs eventually. It's just a matter of the time it takes them to complete them for each mech. There's a lot of Inner Sphere mechs they have to get through.

[Corbenik]

Tarogato, on 27 February 2015 - 10:58 PM, said:

But nowhere does it explain why they used the crab, which is what I think we're all getting at here.

They used the crab because the crab came out around the time all the faction stuff especially for IS was going announced, so obviously theyd pick that gorgeous mech to bling out in it.

Tarogato, on 27 February 2015 - 10:58 PM, said:

But nowhere does it explain why they used the crab, which is what I think we're all getting at here.

They used the crab because the crab came out around the time all the faction stuff especially for IS was going announced, so obviously theyd pick that gorgeous mech to bling out in it.

[Brimbooze]

I'm just deciding if I want to get one of each for the colors (only camos I'd use are Steiner for my Zeus and then Davion for the rest) or just do 1 Steiner and a bunch of Davion for the faction items.

I'm leaning towards the one of each option so I have more colors unlocked for my other mechs, but still not sure.

Edited by Brimbooze, 28 February 2015 - 11:39 AM.

[SethAbercromby]

I secured Kurita, FRR and Steiner for now.

Kurita for obvious reason, and FRR and Steiner because their lore is interesting and their current players are pretty cool folks.

[Malleus011]

I never assumed that the KC would come with the pictured skins - I've seen too many PGI sales - but they did create the expectation with the concept art they used for the skins, and they knew quite well a lot of buyers were getting Resistance packs so they could qualify for the free KC.

There was no disclaimer of any kind when the posted the initial KC images, and as I said, today is the first disclaimer of any kind I've seen. I've no idea when they added the 'display purposes only' tag, but I hadn't seen it over the last several months.

The point I'm making isn't that PGI are twirling their mustaches while laughing evilly about depriving us of our hard-earned monies with false advertising. I'm pointing out that their lack of (prompt) communication on these issues creates a gap in expectation - meaning that the buyer can easily make assumptions based on the concept art or 'mechs used. This isn't the first time they've had this problem, but this is a bit more severe than the issues they've had with Phoenix or Clan packs, because the 'mechs they are delivering don't have the skins they were sold with, and there was never any clear explanation that they wouldn't ve delivered in something reasonably close to pictured.

You can't add a disclaimer clarifying what will and won't be delivered three months after the customer has made a purchase. That's far, far too late, and leaves you open to legitimate charges of moving the goalposts.

I'd like to see the ( R ) 'mechs able to use the faction camo upon delivery, and to be made available for the KC as soon as possible, since PGI created those expectations long before issuing any disclaimers.

*edit*

The FAQ with information about the Resistance skins and unique ( R ) skins was updated Feb 23 ... after they'd already delivered the Panther and Enforcer. Guys, that's WAY too late to finally clarify what you are selling. You sold the concept with a Sword-of-Light colored Panther and a Robinson Ranger DMM Enforcer, and delivered the Resistance Skin ... which now you tell us we can't change, despite giving us the choice of faction content.

Bad form.

Edited by Malleus011, 28 February 2015 - 04:33 PM.

[process]

Greenjulius, on 28 February 2015 - 01:04 AM, said:

I'm looking forward to having another 18 colors come delivery day... That's a bunch of crap with the Crabs though. It's really too bad that the skin won't apply to them.

I'm not looking forward to having to scroll through 18 more colors.

[YaKillinMeSmalls]

Ok, to be more clear (and I'll add this to the OP), my concern is for the SKINS, not the 'mechs. I understand that getting some more King Crabs wasn't the intent. Just like the Mad Dog in the Wave 2 and Wave 3 pages, they just needed something to 'model' the paintjob. HOWEVER, the faction content selection page also says that the SKINS are not part of the faction content.

Now, if they're trying to say that the skins are part of the content, but will only be available for the Resistance 'mechs, then they need to be more clear about this.

[Deathlike]

In some ways, getting the Resistance Pack for $80 instead of the $120 for Wave 2 should have been the ideal opportunity to give the Loyalty Mechs (at least the base chassis) some of the additional perks of the Resistance Pack camos.

When you use the King Crab "for display" and for the most part "not labeling as such" (until very recently), it gives a bad impression of what the deal actually provides to people.

While I don't expect PGI to change their stance overnight, it's bad form to show a mech that isn't going to get the camo by proxy through the pack itself unlike Wave 2's Maddog. That's misleading in terms of representation.

Edited by Deathlike, 28 February 2015 - 04:37 PM.