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[Sidra]

Okay so I still am trying to get all the information I can on this game but I haven't found out, will they support different missile types and armor types as the game progresses (or even when it starts)? Because I read about a whole plethra of different warheads missile can have on them in the MW Universe, along with not only different wartheads but also having different versions (enhanced, streak, swarm, ER) along with a bit of a large list of armors too, so just was wondering if anyone knows if they are supporting or will support this?

Edited by Sidra, 07 July 2012 - 12:35 PM.

[Future Perfect]

You have long range missiles which have some kind of a lock-on and then you have short range missiles that are really like rockets with no lock-on capability.

And then you have streak short range missiles that only fires when your cross-hair is on the enemy... some people seems to think that these missiles are the best.

Edited by Future Perfect, 07 July 2012 - 12:40 PM.

[Sidra]

Erm, I meant like missiles as in if they would support the different warhead and model types (I already know srm and lrm are in it xD) along with the armor varients.

[Wolfclaw]

I dont think I follow what you're asking.

[Future Perfect]

What do you want to have?

Nerve gas warhead?

[Wolfclaw]

Future Perfect, on 07 July 2012 - 12:45 PM, said:

What do you want to have?

Nerve gas warhead?

Yeah cause nerve gas will do a lot of good....

[ElcomeSoft]

We may see Inferno missiles but I'm not hopeful for anything else. Not much else is often used, talked about or documented.

[Sidra]

Wolfclaw, on 07 July 2012 - 12:44 PM, said:

I dont think I follow what you're asking.

*facedesk and sighs* okay ill try to be more specific, when I mean supporting different warheads I mean like, Follow the Leader, Fragmentation, Inferno, Deadfire, Cluster Arror. Things of this nature

Future Perfect, on 07 July 2012 - 12:45 PM, said:

What do you want to have?

Nerve gas warhead?

>.< mainly my last example was the warheads I was looking for, along with them implimenting enhanced launchers would be nice :x but also the different armor types and Modular Armor. All im asking is if anyone knows if they are gonna add these things in the game, not trying to be annoying or anything x.x

Edited by Sidra, 07 July 2012 - 12:50 PM.

[Wolfclaw]

Ohh, so something along the lines of a Smoke Warhead to cause a blind spot on the battlefield?

Edit: I'm sure that there will be Reactive/Reflective/Ferro Fibrous armor.

Edited by Wolfclaw, 07 July 2012 - 12:51 PM.

[shadowhawk102]

nope, from the time line there was not any other types of ammo, just explosive one, from the table top game, lrm will do 1 point per missle and srm will do 2 points per.

lrm come in 5 , 10 , 15 and 20
srm come in 2, 4 and 6.

the mrm and stuff that came after 3058 was imo, crap.

armour will be just basic since we are starting a 3015, once we get to 3050 you will see other armour types.

Edited by shadowhawk102, 07 July 2012 - 12:53 PM.

[Sidra]

Wolfclaw, on 07 July 2012 - 12:50 PM, said:

Ohh, so something along the lines of a Smoke Warhead to cause a blind spot on the battlefield?

Sorta lol, but mainly yes, wondering if they will have variants and such where we see a battlefield being used with all sorts of different thigns goign about, personally I love the idea of Follow the Leader ones because it can be slightly nerve racking. If one hits they all hit the same spot, if it misses, well you just spent a whole salvo into the ground x.x. and yeah smoke could be really good (seeing the videos makes me realize line of sight and visualization is a MUST, so smoke warheads would cause so much havock)

[Jacob Davion]

All I wanna see are some Clan Streak launchers.

[Sidra]

shadowhawk102, on 07 July 2012 - 12:51 PM, said:

nope, from the time line there was not any other types of ammo, just explosive one, from the table top game, lrm will do 1 point per missle and srm will do 2 points per.

lrm come in 5 , 10 , 15 and 20
srm come in 2, 4 and 6.

the mrm and stuff that came after 3058 was imo, crap.

armour will be just basic since we are starting a 3015, once we get to 3050 you will see other armour types.

Well it says on the wiki for Inferno was mid-20th and a popular round, Dead Fire was made by house kurita (which is current timeline and up to present), frag is mid 3050's, and Follow the Leader was sometime before 3050 but stopped production in 3054

Edited by Sidra, 07 July 2012 - 12:56 PM.

[Future Perfect]

Thermal imaging sees through smoke.

Whats the point of a cluster warhead when you are firing volleys of ten to twenty missiles?

Inferno? It would be better to have armor piercing but these missiles doesn't seem to have the speed needed for that.

Nah, just make 'em cheap high-explosive thats good enough for me.

Edited by Future Perfect, 07 July 2012 - 12:58 PM.

[Sidra]

Future Perfect, on 07 July 2012 - 12:56 PM, said:

Thermal imaging sees through smoke.

Whats the point of a cluster warhead when you are firing volleys of ten to twenty missiles?

Inferno? It would be better to have armor piercing but these missiles doesn't seem to have the speed needed for armor piercing.

Cluster turns your salvo into bomlet salvos, basically each missile releases bomblets that rain down, so a salvo of 20LRm busting into agiant swarm of bomblets is a insane AOE effect

Edit:

with smoke, you are basically disrupting their vision, they turn on thermal, (having to change over may effect their palystyle or be a hinderense) and if someone has a suit that is having some kind of stealth, switching over to that will hinder then from fighting said suit

Edited by Sidra, 07 July 2012 - 12:59 PM.

[Spheroid]

All I know is that we need semi-guided LRMs as soon as possible. TAG is complete dead weight right now.

[Sumner]

NARC or the Artemis IV would be nice if we have the options for it.

[Sidra]

See it would matchup timeline (and even some for future expansions of the game) so I don't see why they wouldn't implement them. Heck each one that I see so far has strengths but also glarign weaknesses. Follow the leader, I already said how if one misses they all miss but if oen hits you are pretty much hurt to heck and back. Deadfire has no targeting, Cluster arrow is a large AOE weapon, so if you have a teamate near the area he gets massivly hurt too, Smoke messes with vision but ZERo damage output, Inferno can basically shut down units from overheating, but if your ammo explodes you are done for. They ALL are easy to balance game wise because each one has viable drawbacks to their strengths.

Edit:


Also, Bola Pods, seriously inhibit some enemies then lay down fire

Edited by Sidra, 07 July 2012 - 01:29 PM.

[Strum Wealh]

ARMORS

The armor types that were developed at or prior to the game's start point (3049) are:
Ferro-Fibrous Armor - reintroduced to the IS by the Draconis Combine in 3040 (the Clans never lost the FF tech from 2571)
Hardened Armor - developed by the Federated Commonwealth in 3045-3047 (copied by Clan Ghost Bear during the invasion)
Primitive Armor - the original BattleMech armor used on the Mackie in 2439; essentially modern (non-Chobham) armor
Standard Armor - developed by the Terran Hegemony in 2470; maintained by IS and Clans since (essentially a very tough version of modern Chobham armor)

By contrast, a lot of the advanced armors come into being much later in the canon timeline:
Armored Components - developed by the Free Worlds League in 3059-3061
Ferro-Lamellor Armor - developed by Clan Snow Raven in 3070
Heavy FF Armor - developed by the Lyran Alliance in 3069
Laser Reflective/"Glazed"/"Reflec" Armor - developed by the Lyran Alliance in 3058 (copied by Clan Jade Falcon in 3061)
Light FF Armor - developed by the Free Worlds League in 3067
Reactive/"Blazer" Armor - developed by the Draconis Combine in 3063 (copied by Clan Ghost Bear in 3065)
Stealth Armor - developed by the Capellan Confederation in 3063

Then there're the Commercial- and Industrial-grade armors.

Also, there are apparently rules for mixing armor types on a single 'Mech via a "patchwork armor" system (the VTR-9K2 variant of the Victor uses a Standard/FF patchwork, for example), though I, personally, don't know the specifics of how the patchwork armor rules actually work.

Depending on how closely the Devs stick to the canon timeline in that regard, fancy armors are probably not going to be around for quite some time yet...

MISSILE MUNITIONS

There is a list of alternate missile types on Sarna:

LRM-only (+MML):
Follow-the-Leader Warhead (IS: year unknown, production stops in 3054)
Semi-Guided LRM (IS: 3057)
Standard Long-Range Missiles (IS and Clan: retained from Star League)
Swarm LRM (Clan: retained from Star League; IS: 3053)
Swarm-I LRM (IS: 3057)
Thunder LRM (Clans: retained from Star League; IS: 3052)

LRM and SRM (+MML):
Anti-Radiation Missiles (Clan: 3057, IS: 3066)
Dead-Fire Missiles (IS: year unknown)
Fragmentation Missiles (IS, mid-3050s)
Heat-Seeking Warhead (IS and Clan: retained from Star League)
Inferno Missiles (IS and Clan: retained from Star League)
Listen-Kill Missiles (IS: 3038, 3042)
Mine-Clearance Missiles (IS: 3069)
Smoke Warhead (IS: 3057)

SRM-only (+MML):
Acid (AX) Warhead (IS: year unknown, post-invasion)
Retro-Streak Warhead (IS: late 3050s)
Standard Short-Range Missiles (IS and Clan: Retained from Star League)
Tandem-Charge Warhead (IS: unknown, during invasion)
Tear Gas (IS: retained from Star League)

Arrow IV only:
Air-Defense Arrow Missiles (IS: 3068)
Arrow IV Homing Missiles (IS: 3044)
Cluster Arrow Missiles (IS: 3047)
Illumination Arrow Missiles (IS: 3047)
Inferno-IV Missiles (IS: 3055)
Laser-Inhibiting Warhead (IS: 3053)
Thunder Arrow Missiles (Clans: retained from Star League; IS: 3051)

Narc-only:
Bola Pod (IS: 3057)
Explosive Pod (IS: 3058)
Homing Pod (Clan: Retained from Star League; IS: 3035)
Shoot-and-Sit Pod (IS: year unknown)

iNarc-only:
ECM Pod (IS: 3062+)
Haywire Pod (IS: 3062+)
Homing Pod (IS: 3062)
Nemesis Pod (IS: 3062+)

Missile types that are known to be canonically available to the IS at MWO's start point (3049) are in bold.
Missile types for which no year/range-of-years of introduction to the IS could be found and could conceivably be canonically available to the IS in 3049 are in italics.

Of interest with regard to the quoted Dev statement is how, if at all, standard LRM munitions would be differentiated from canonical Semi-guided LRMs...

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As far as armors and munitions go, I would expect that we won't even have everything that is canonically available - well probably have just Standard and FF armors, and standard/semi-guided missile munitions.

Personally, I'm hoping that MWO doesn't make the same mistake as the previous MW games in making the non-Streak SRMs default to dead-fire rounds.
Normal non-Streak SRMs are supposed to be guided (just like LRMs), with unguided dead-fire rounds being an optional ammo-type (just like LRMs).

[Sidra]

Hmm thanks for the list so everyone else can see the dates and such. As for available missiles and such, I dont want to see all (though if they wanna add them all in more power to them) just the ones I listed are basically my favorites out of them all.