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[ibex230]

Well? What was/is the reason behind having 2 hero mechs of the same type?

[Ascaloth]

ibex230, on 04 March 2015 - 12:13 PM, said:

Well? What was/is the reason behind having 2 hero mechs of the same type?

Lore. Those are the Dragons of two brothers.

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• DRG-FANG "Fang" Piloted by Donald Takeda, the Dragon DRG-FANG is a modification of his father's DRG-1N. He designed the 'Mech to suit his brawling style in battle, giving it high armor, speed and close-range armament. It boasts a load out of two Medium Lasers, an SRM 6, and an AC/10. This variant was designed for MechWarrior Online).^[13]

• DRG-FLAME "Flame" Piloted by Martin Takeda, the Dragon DRG-FLAME is a modification of DRG-1C he inherited from his grandmother. As a direct opposite of his brother's Fang, he altered the 'Mech to be a good long-range fighter. His signature change is the moving of the AC/2 from the machine's arm to the left torso. It is equipped with aMedium Laser, AC/2, LRM-5, and an ER Large Laser. This variant was designed forMechWarrior Online.^[13]

Edited by Ascaloth, 04 March 2015 - 12:16 PM.

[Mechteric]

Because one is terrible and the other isn't

[Revis Volek]

Because its that awesome!

[Ozric]

Speedforce.

[Deathlike]

Outside of Lore, PGI was probably experimenting the idea of releasing two hero mechs at a time.

The problem with it is that what ended up happening is that one hero mech (Flame) was superior to the other (Fang) and thus just competed against itself.

Had it been possible to change the MC price structure or make it an interesting deal (buy one, get the other free or @ 33% of its original MC cost - throw in Mechbays to boot), it would have probably sold better (the Fang solve a niche that the regular variants don't fill, but the Flame was just better based on its hardpoints).

So, it's kind of one of those deals.

It was also rumored at the time/release of the Huginn that it would have a partnering variant... something like a 5E Raven. While it's possibly to construct something like that with the dynamic-legomech hardpoints, it didn't happen. So, it is what it is.

[Soy]

Flea + Fire Moth should get released at same time, with hero variants that compete. That'd be cool ^^

[SuomiWarder]

Back when we had fewer Mechs, they often used old paper rule books called TROs (Technical read-Outs) from the BattleTech table top game to draw their Hero mech inspiration from.

But they stopped that, and the later edition TROs covering later years of the universe did not have special hero mech fluff text in them to.

[KharnZor]

Soy, on 04 March 2015 - 12:41 PM, said:

Flea + Fire Moth should get released at same time, with hero variants that compete. That'd be cool ^^

[Col Jaime Wolf]

i have both and while some would say one is better then the other i find both around the same altho i like flame a little better because of the arm hardpoints.

my flame rocks 4ml an ac20 and an srm4 with a std 265 with endo and DHS kinda slow for a dragon but it hits hard so its good for a solid push and decent at being a watchdog for slow assaults like LRM boats or DW.

my fang is fairly straight forward with an ac10 and 3 mpl a XL 360 (zoom zoom) and endo+DHS and acts like an oversized yen low. really tho yen low is better in almost every way, its same speed (106.9) with less armor but better hit boxes and a little more firepower.

but bear in mind that dragons are in that atrocious weight range of 60 tons its alot like cicadas, to heavy to be really fast and bring some bang to the party, to small and fragile to stand up to other mechs in its weight class directly.

Edited by Mellifluer, 04 March 2015 - 01:59 PM.

[Paigan]

What puzzles me much more is:
Why do Dragons have +100% DPS quirks?
(Yes, -50% cooldown does mean +100% DPS)

The term "imbalance" means anything to anyone?

[627]

Paigan, on 04 March 2015 - 01:58 PM, said:

What puzzles me much more is:
Why do Dragons have +100% DPS quirks?
(Yes, -50% cooldown does mean +100% DPS)

The term "imbalance" means anything to anyone?

Because they are bad mechs. always were and even with those quirks have big problems.

[Koniving]

Soy, on 04 March 2015 - 12:41 PM, said:

Flea + Fire Moth should get released at same time, with hero variants that compete. That'd be cool ^^

Truth be told, we'd get a flood of 20 ton mechs for a couple of days.
I'm on board with it. It'd be nice to have some light fights.

[PurpleNinja]

Because reasons.

[Koniving]

Paigan, on 04 March 2015 - 01:58 PM, said:

What puzzles me much more is:
Why do Dragons have +100% DPS quirks?
(Yes, -50% cooldown does mean +100% DPS)

The term "imbalance" means anything to anyone?

While I agree...

627, on 04 March 2015 - 02:02 PM, said:

Because they are bad mechs. always were and even with those quirks have big problems.

There's this. But it's more of a design issue. They took a design of a very short mech... and made it really tall. Consider that PGI tried to make it so that most of the cockpit is where that little 'head' is.



In this one, you can imagine how small a person is to be here.
Now, that said...
BT's original scale.


Notice something? It isn't that big. Hardly even the size of an MWO Commando.


o.O;

Shadowhawk.


The MWO Centurion is almost the height of the tallest Battletech Mech to exist up until 3055 (the Executioner) It's also taller than the BT scales of the Atlas and the Marauder (which is supposed to be slightly taller than the Atlas, hence its long yet unusually thin limbs).

Anyway back to the Dragon. They made it wider, taller, and in general they hurt it by resorting to doubling all the armor/structure of all mechs.
Stock it's amazing against other stock things, because it starts out with armor that virtually rivals an 85 ton Stalker.
But that means nothing with the freedom of armor we have. Its big advantage over say, a Quickdraw, is how much more armor it has (which is why it has limited weapons, the high speed + armor)... so we got screwed on hardpoints.
In general, the Dragon got screwed on a lot of things. Which is sad because outside of MWO, the Dragon is a fantastic mech. Here...

Edited by Koniving, 04 March 2015 - 02:24 PM.

[justin xiang]

There were two of the first few hero mechs released. Most people that I knew bought both of them when I was playing. Makes more money.

[Fubl]

SuomiWarder, on 04 March 2015 - 12:43 PM, said:

Back when we had fewer Mechs, they often used old paper rule books called TROs (Technical read-Outs) from the BattleTech table top game to draw their Hero mech inspiration from.

But they stopped that, and the later edition TROs covering later years of the universe did not have special hero mech fluff text in them to.

they have added heros back into the newer tros when ever they did the updated/upgraded tro. The tros always where like a Janes publication. Ok we have some new info on this design coming out of corean industries heres what it can do. also did not help that the orginal tro 3050 only had a paragraph for each mech and not the indepth technical style that later books had

[Scyther]

Because they couldn't think of a cool name for a third one...

[Clydewinder]

ibex230, on 04 March 2015 - 12:13 PM, said:

Well? What was/is the reason behind having 2 hero mechs of the same type?

Because Dragons are the funnest mechs of them all. You think you are good? Then I will meet your Dragon with my Dragon and we shall fight like civilized men.

[lsp]

Because it's cool, too bad the hitboxes are so bad.