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Abnormaly Low Framerate - Please Help

Started by eFTy, Mar 14 2015 03:32 AM

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#1 eFTy

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Posted 14 March 2015 - 03:32 AM

Recently I've been getting really, REALLY low framerates in MWO. I'm not talking below 30. I mean I've even gotten less than 10, and sometimes average 15 FPS. And considering my system and the fact that I desperately switched to Low Settings, and tried both 32 bit & 64 bit, it's becoming reidiculous. Note that I play the game Full Screen, in 1680x1050 resolution.

Here is my dxdiag info:
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Please help me with this, the game has become unplayable...

Edited by eFTy, 14 March 2015 - 03:36 AM.

#2 Troutmonkey

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Posted 14 March 2015 - 04:04 AM

I'm not really sure what to say, you're playing on an AMD APU in what is an intensely CPU bound game.

I'd had problems with my 1090T only running about 25FPS on high but with the last couple of patches and optimization passes I'm not running 40-50FPS with all settings outside of AA maxed out.

If you've already dumped all your settings to low I might suggest dropping your resolution and see if that helps.

1090T vs A10 6800K Comparison

Edited by Troutmonkey, 14 March 2015 - 04:06 AM.

#3 Troutmonkey

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Posted 14 March 2015 - 04:29 AM

Other questions:
Are you graphics and chipset drivers up to date?
Do you have any other programs running in the background (Anti-Virus scanning etc)?
Have you run the MWO repair tool?

#4 eFTy

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Posted 14 March 2015 - 04:45 AM

Thanks for the replies!

Before I changed monitors, I'd play at 1280x960 and it was ok, hovering around 25-30 FPS in windowed mode. Then Iswitched to 1680x1050 and lowered the settings and still got 20-25 FPS usually (both in 32 bit mode). Recently even that became a distant memory and I have changed no settings. There' no AV in the background, I'd only have Steam and/or Opera open occasionally, but closing them didn't seem to make any difference.

I'm runnign the repair tool right now. I was afraid to do it as I've read plenty of stories here about that screwing up the game...

I'll try lowering the resolution even further if that doesn't work, but it will probably end up looking so horrible I may as well stop playign anyway... :(

Oh and the driver is quite recent. I changed through multiple versions recently because of Rome 2 (another badly optimised game...). Right now it's some special ultimate extreme edition they released a few months back (see dxdiag). And, weirdly, switchign to 32bit seems to improve the framerate, albeit only marginally...

edit: I played around with lower resolution - 1280x800 does improve the framerate, but I still need to keep the settings mostly low, and whenever I get too many lights on screen the framerate still drops. The tunnel in River City for instance lowers my 25-30 to about 15 FPS, while Mining Collective is just plain horrible at 20FPS average throughout the map.

I realise the game is CPU intensive but I've got 16 bloody gigahertz. How many more do I need?

Edited by eFTy, 14 March 2015 - 05:54 AM.

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Posted 14 March 2015 - 07:26 PM

Are you using any software to monitor your system information, like Afterburner or such?

Besides the AMD, the major issue is using the built-in GPU part of the CPU. Tis akin to using the Intel GPU built into the Intel CPUs.

Memory is fine.

http://archive.bench...3&limitstart=11

Consider getting discrete GPU.

http://www.videocard...Radeon+HD+8670D

Compared to Intel HD 4600 that comes with the some of the Intel CPUs

http://www.videocard...u=Intel+HD+4600

http://archive.bench...1&limitstart=10

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Edited by Tarl Cabot, 14 March 2015 - 08:04 PM.

#6 Troutmonkey

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Posted 14 March 2015 - 10:04 PM

View PostTarl Cabot, on 14 March 2015 - 07:26 PM, said:

Consider getting discrete GPU.

According to the DXDIAG he is

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Card name: AMD Radeon HD 8670D

Edited by Troutmonkey, 14 March 2015 - 10:21 PM.

#7 eFTy

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Posted 15 March 2015 - 02:04 AM

Thanks for the replies guys.

Yes, the HD 8670D is the integrated GPU of the CPU. It's not a 'discrete GPU' (first time I hear this term, hah). I know getting one would improve system performance greatly, but then again, It was working decently well until recently. The ridiculously low frame rates were rare a few months ago.

I will look into core parking and AOD and see if/how much that helps. Spending 2-300 dollars ona video card just for this game isn't an option at the moment... :/

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Posted 15 March 2015 - 02:46 PM

View PosteFTy, on 15 March 2015 - 02:04 AM, said:

Thanks for the replies guys.

Yes, the HD 8670D is the integrated GPU of the CPU. It's not a 'discrete GPU' (first time I hear this term, hah). I know getting one would improve system performance greatly, but then again, It was working decently well until recently. The ridiculously low frame rates were rare a few months ago.

I will look into core parking and AOD and see if/how much that helps. Spending 2-300 dollars ona video card just for this game isn't an option at the moment... :/


Yeah, integrated GPU's and Mobile GPU's are never as good as their discrete equivalents, I'd be interested to know what other games it can run. That said while I'm sure a proper GPU would give a performance boost, I'm not sure how much it will affect your FPS, as MWO is CPU bound as I mentioned before. You'd probably want to upgrade your CPU at some point but being stuck with the FM2 chipset means you're looking at a whole new motherboard before you can even look at any decent CPU's. PGI really haven't been nice to AMD chipsets lately, but if you send an e-mail to support@mwomercs.com you might be able to get some more help.

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Posted 15 March 2015 - 03:45 PM

The CPU's barely been launched on the market 18 months ago. It's younger than MWO! I can run Shogun II Total War with High details and no problem. Rome II works too (when it doesn't crash or freeze due to the crappy programming). Skyrim and Payday 2 work well on it as well...

#10 Troutmonkey

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Posted 16 March 2015 - 04:18 AM

View PosteFTy, on 15 March 2015 - 03:45 PM, said:

The CPU's barely been launched on the market 18 months ago. It's younger than MWO! I can run Shogun II Total War with High details and no problem. Rome II works too (when it doesn't crash or freeze due to the crappy programming). Skyrim and Payday 2 work well on it as well...

MWO is poorly optimized, and will run worse than many other games.

That said, the AMD CPU's released after the Phenom II range were very underwhelming. The first gen Bulldozers weren't even as good as their predecessors. The FM2's from what I remember are designed to be a cheap CPU solution for average powered machines. They're no where near as powerful as the current AM3+ socket CPU's and not even in the same ball park as Intels stuff. I love AMD and I'm a bit of a fanboy but my next system will definitely have an Intel CPU.

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Posted 16 March 2015 - 05:44 AM

An anniversary edition unlocked Pentium (Haswell refresh-based) will overclock like hell and smoke this APU in performance for MWO as long as you have a dedicated GPU. APUs are a bad idea for this game. The amount of CPU power needed to run MWO currently is stupid and wrong, and on top of AMD's far lower IPC an APU heats up not only from the CPU utilization but also the GPU utilization, which could cause throttling to happen if you don't keep it cool enough.

A dedicated GPU will help you greatly. If it's not in the budget now, save your pennies. That is the only way you're going to be able to dig yourself out of the bad performance hole.
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