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[XXXBunnyXXX]

yea i comfirm warhawk is useless becouse its armour is butter


i have the front armour maxedout ...0 in the back and i get anihilated in seconds.... the only good build for this think is a lrm build cuz it really cant take any dmg

if u "assault" someone ur dead

u see a HBR assaulting u ... ur dead ... that thing can take more punishment thant this pile of ****

[mogs01gt]

Its because Whawks look to similar to a DWF. By the time people realize its just a Whawk, it's armor is stripped.

[Wrathful Scythe]

Try the Gargoyle, it's way better.

[XXXBunnyXXX]

mogs01gt, on 18 March 2015 - 10:51 AM, said:

Its because Whawks look to similar to a DWF. By the time people realize its just a Whawk, it's armor is stripped.

no ... its not that


i just noticed that it has **** armour when a wild stalker appered and hit me with 3 lasers and the armour was red .... HOW THE HELL WAS IT RED BY ONLY 3 LL hits

Wrathful Scythe, on 18 March 2015 - 10:54 AM, said:

Try the Gargoyle, it's way better.

i dont have the c bills and ill probably abandon this account... becouse i screwed up by buying this ****

[Voivode]

Probably a Stalker 4N firing 5 or 6 large lasers, not 3. In a lot of ways I prefer the Warhawk to the Dire Wolf because, personally, mobility is what I like. When it comes to face tanking the Warhawk is not the mech to choose. Generally, it only excels in medium to long range roles.

[NeoAres]

Torso is too big and arms are too thick. It's as obese as a DWF with a fraction of the armor and weaponry. A 5% reduction in torso size and a 20% reduction in arm thickness would go a long way towards protecting the weapons and STs (from front profile anyway), and would make the mech easily visually distinguishable from the DWF

Edited by NeoAres, 18 March 2015 - 11:00 AM.

[XXXBunnyXXX]

Voivode, on 18 March 2015 - 10:59 AM, said:

Probably a Stalker 4N firing 5 or 6 large lasers, not 3. In a lot of ways I prefer the Warhawk to the Dire Wolf because, personally, mobility is what I like. When it comes to face tanking the Warhawk is not the mech to choose. Generally, it only excels in medium to long range roles.

it was striped ... and i saw that it had 3

even if there was a glitch ... it only had like 50 alpha dmg... and that shud put me on orange and not red

[Voivode]

What section did it hit you in and was it at full armor before it hit you?

XXXBunnyXXX, on 18 March 2015 - 10:56 AM, said:

i dont have the c bills and ill probably abandon this account... becouse i screwed up by buying this ****

I'd recommend just sticking with it and waiting. They've started to add quirks to clan mechs, so I would expect the Warhawk to get quirked up, probably with some durability buffs like armor increases and internal structure increases.

Edited by Voivode, 18 March 2015 - 11:05 AM.

[Rhaythe]

I ran a 4 LPL, 2 LRM5 Warhawk all weekend. Did great for me, and I'm normally an IS player. Felt a lot more durable than an IS 85 tonner, but that's just my own experience.

Given it's smaller tonnage, perhaps a small scaling correction is in order, but not by too terribly much. It can still be a beast.

[XXXBunnyXXX]

Voivode, on 18 March 2015 - 11:01 AM, said:

What section did it hit you in and was it at full armor before it hit you?

ct.. i had 99%

Rhaythe, on 18 March 2015 - 11:03 AM, said:

I ran a 4 LPL, 2 LRM5 Warhawk all weekend. Did great for me, and I'm normally an IS player. Felt a lot more durable than an IS 85 tonner, but that's just my own experience.

Given it's smaller tonnage, perhaps a small scaling correction is in order, but not by too terribly much. It can still be a beast.

a stalker is way better

[Brizna]

Voivode, on 18 March 2015 - 10:59 AM, said:

When it comes to face tanking the Warhawk is not the mech to choose. Generally, it only excels in medium to long range roles.

This is when you think about how important manoeuvrability is at mid and long range ....

I'm not saying that being able to go at 70 kph is useless, but speed is most useful at close range. Warhawk in MWO is simply put a badly designed mech.

[Rhaythe]

XXXBunnyXXX, on 18 March 2015 - 11:05 AM, said:

a stalker is way better

Again, all personal experience. I'm a light/medium pilot by nature and I hate the stalker. I don't mind the Warhawk at all.

[Voivode]

It sounds like it wasn't just the stalker hitting you. Haven't heard about any bonus damage bugs so that seems doubtful.

Hmmm...on second thought, occasionally you will have damage that hits your front incorrectly apply to the rear and vice versa. If you had 0 armor on the rear like you state, then incorrectly applied damage from the front could apply to the rear and cause internal damage to the mech since there was no armor protection there.

Brizna, on 18 March 2015 - 11:06 AM, said:

This is when you think about how important manoeuvrability is at mid and long range ....

I'm not saying that being able to go at 70 kph is useless, but speed is most useful at close range. Warhawk in MWO is simply put a badly designed mech.

As I said, I prefer it to the Dire Wolf. I just don't like the lumbering mechs all that much. I find the Warhawk to be a consistently solid mech to fight in. Yes, the torso full of heat sinks does limit the builds you can make, but all in all I haven't found it to be a bad mech.

[Kain Demos]

Like the Dire Wolf it has STs that are impossible to miss but have even less armor. Very fragile but very deadly assuming you are not boating LRMs like a pug-tard or trying to run 4 CERPPCs.

[Abisha]

i kind of agree warhawk is poorly designed
it have weaker armor then timber, less weapon damage then a timber but it's twice as big then a timber.

[Rhaythe]

Abisha, on 18 March 2015 - 11:11 AM, said:

i kind of agree warhawk is poorly designed
it have weaker armor then timber, less weapon damage then a timber but it's twice as big then a timber.

So is the problem the Warhawk or the Timber? (And thusly, the object of controversy in almost every IS vs Clan argument around here)

[XXXBunnyXXX]

Kain Thul, on 18 March 2015 - 11:11 AM, said:

Like the Dire Wolf it has STs that are impossible to miss but have even less armor. Very fragile but very deadly assuming you are not boating LRMs like a pug-tard or trying to run 4 CERPPCs.

yea the side torso is the death of the dire and the warhawk

ur left torso gets cored and u turn to protect it and instantly the other side gets cored ....

[Kain Demos]

Abisha, on 18 March 2015 - 11:11 AM, said:

i kind of agree warhawk is poorly designed
it have weaker armor then timber, less weapon damage then a timber but it's twice as big then a timber.

Put down the pipe.

It has more armor values than the Timberwolf

It has more pod space than the Timberwolf thus more "damage".

Once again, the problem here is "scaling". It is a large rectangle and the arms are low and "L" shaped which means the STs evaporate (bye bye 2/3 of your weapons) whenever someone looks at them wrong.

[1453 R]

The Warhawk’s armor is identical to any other 85-ton ‘Mech’s armor, quirks notwithstanding. The real issue is that the poor Warhawk is a big, bulky bastiche of a ‘Mech that’s easy to hit. It doesn’t spread damage much at all naturally, the way some other ‘Mechs do, so you end up losing chunks of the thing quickly to what feels like concentrated fire. Being fairly easily mistaken for Whales at a distance doesn’t help.

The Warhawk maneuvers unusually well for an assault ‘Mech and can actually make a fairly punishing contender if it isn’t getting blasted by everything under the sun. Most people go for quad C-LPL midrange vultures or the usual ‘Clan Stalker’ LRM boats, but my favorite mix remains a C-Gauss, four C-ERML, and two C-LRM-15s. Enough missiles to contribute in the early to mid game when there are too many enemies too fresh for you to win many direct firefights, but towards the back half of the thing, if you’ve pulled it off right, you have more than enough firepower to clean up entire teams. That Warhawk fit up above is one of my highest-damage machines, and the ‘Mech I have more 1k+ games in than anything else. It’s not as consistent as a TBR or HBR, unfortunately, but when it works it works like gangbusters, and unlike the Whale, a Warhawk can actually keep up with the team and/or maneuver to advantageous positions on the map.

I actually really enjoy my Warhawks, as opposed to the teeth-grinding frustration I feel every time I look at my blasted Garfayles. I just kinda wish the Warhawks had been just a little less…muscular >_<

[Kain Demos]

XXXBunnyXXX, on 18 March 2015 - 11:16 AM, said:

yea the side torso is the death of the dire and the warhawk

ur left torso gets cored and u turn to protect it and instantly the other side gets cored ....

It is so bad I started stripping armor from the arms instead of the legs (since CW hit the average player seems more inclined to leg now that they have been exposed to it) because in 1000s of drops I have lost an arm in those 'mechs maybe twice. It is ALWAYS the ST to go first. I have even tried doing the illogical like "staring down" my opponents so that hopefully they can't resist and target my CT (which has much more armor than STs) but alas, good players know how easy targets the STs are and still go for those.

Edited by Kain Thul, 18 March 2015 - 11:21 AM.