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[Burktross]

FerrolupisXIII, on 18 March 2015 - 03:37 PM, said:

so don't play it? still failing to see the problem. you'll die slower than you did previously, even if you're losing sides slightly faster. like i said, change your twist pattern a bit, and probably make sure you aren't running XL. XL was already dodgy on the Phract and i'd say its def a no go now.

Sigh.

[Steppenwolfen]

I experienced the same thing with the 'phract and the Jag - to the point where I'm ready to sell the 3D (gonna hold off now that I read this - maybe they'll fix it). But, torso is very weak.

[Gas Guzzler]

Mnemonic Style, on 18 March 2015 - 04:22 PM, said:

I mean it literally says in the patch notes they reduced the size of the CT (which de facto means an increase in the size of the STs).

So either Russ doesn't really pay attention to what goes into the patches or you just completely made up a bunch of bullcrap about Russ "assuring us" that a change listed in the patch notes was just put there as an early April Fool's joke.

He said it on twitter, chill out dude.... seriously.

Could have made the CT shorter without touching the STs so it doesn't "de facto" mean anything. Again, chill out and stop the raging.

I tweeted that video to him, maybe he is not on the same page with whoever made the change. Anyway, I hope they can sort it out. A viable CTF either has an AC 20 in its RT, or an XL. Either way means RT is my primary target, with a hitbox that big that is going to be super easy to hit.

Burktross, on 18 March 2015 - 04:28 PM, said:

Sigh.

Its like he has never had a CTF-3D, huh?

[Burktross]

Gas Guzzler, on 18 March 2015 - 04:31 PM, said:

Its like he has never had a CTF-3D, huh?

Mmmm-- or the Muromets.

[Deathlike]

Gas Guzzler, on 18 March 2015 - 04:05 PM, said:

Russ assures us that they did not change the size of the ST's

They actually did that, but that was ages ago when "hitbox adjustments" were a thing.

We're talking about late 2013 or so.

Cataphracts however have been nerfed primarily through Hoverjets™ though, so poptarting exclusively with a Cataphract is much less a thing now.

Edit:
Referenced link - http://mwomercs.com/...61-21-jan-2014/

It was changed in Jan 2014.

Edited by Deathlike, 18 March 2015 - 04:48 PM.

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Deathlike, on 18 March 2015 - 04:46 PM, said:

They actually did that, but that was ages ago when "hitbox adjustments" were a thing.

We're talking about late 2013 or so.

Cataphracts however have been nerfed primarily through Hoverjets™ though, so poptarting exclusively with a Cataphract is much less a thing now.

Edit:
Referenced link - http://mwomercs.com/...61-21-jan-2014/

It was changed in Jan 2014.

Uh, no, they literally just changed them with the last patch. Hitbox adjustments are still "a thing."

Check the patch notes.

[Gas Guzzler]

Deathlike, on 18 March 2015 - 04:46 PM, said:

They actually did that, but that was ages ago when "hitbox adjustments" were a thing.

We're talking about late 2013 or so.

Cataphracts however have been nerfed primarily through Hoverjets™ though, so poptarting exclusively with a Cataphract is much less a thing now.

Edit:
Referenced link - http://mwomercs.com/...61-21-jan-2014/

It was changed in Jan 2014.

Yeah the patchnotes said they shrunk the CT hitbox a bit, I was hoping it meant making the hit box shorter, because making the STs bigger is a terrible idea.

[Ultimax]

Deathlike, on 18 March 2015 - 04:46 PM, said:

Cataphracts however have been nerfed primarily through Hoverjets™ though, so poptarting exclusively with a Cataphract is much less a thing now.

There is only one Cataphract that can actually use JJs.

[Burktross]

The patch could mean that they reduced the distance of the hitbox from the polygons... but the video begs to differ...

[luxebo]

FerrolupisXIII, on 18 March 2015 - 03:25 PM, said:

Uh. you used to get CT cored almost as fast as the Catapults. if anything this makes you more survivable, unless you're running XL in which case perhaps look at your builds. if anything this is a buff, as you should be better able to protect the CT now.

IF this was the Centurion or something... yes this might've helped. But this is the Cataphract we are talking about, a mech designed to boat weapons and dish out damage like glass cannons.

[Davegt27]

I am just glad after I received the free cat I did not buy any more

[Deathlike]

See, the problem with expanding the Cataphract's side torsos makes them far less survivable... plus the weapon locations favor a side so focusing on the RT is the general goal (you'd have to run some lopsided builds to make the right side less favorable... and even then, the builds would be pretty poor).

So, this doesn't exactly shock me, but at this point the Cataphract may have arrived at Tier 4 status on this patch alone... instead of Tier 3 from where it was previously...

You'd think it was unintended effect to make the Grasshopper better.. but making a mech "obsolete" instead of "irrelevant" is amazing.

Edited by Deathlike, 18 March 2015 - 05:36 PM.

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Deathlike, on 18 March 2015 - 05:34 PM, said:

See, the problem with expanding the Cataphract's side torsos makes them far less survivable... plus the weapon locations favor a side so focusing on the RT is the general goal (you'd have to run some lopsided builds to make the right side less favorable... and even then, the builds would be pretty poor).

So, this doesn't exactly shock me, but at this point the Cataphract may have arrived at Tier 4 status on this patch alone... instead of Tier 3 from where it was previously...

You'd think it was unintended effect to make the Grasshopper better.. but making a mech "obsolete" instead of "irrelevant" is amazing.

Yeah, I'm F%$#*G BAFFLED how PGI thought this was a good idea.

They just nerfed the CTF into the grave.

Just...

WTF.

[Reitrix]

Mnemonic Style, on 18 March 2015 - 05:38 PM, said:

Yeah, I'm F%$#*G BAFFLED how PGI thought this was a good idea.

They just nerfed the CTF into the grave.

Just...

WTF.

The problem isn't the size of the hitbox.
The problem is that i can dump 60+ damage into it, in one shot without ever giving you the time to react.

Fix that and the CTFs problem goes away. I still run my 3D with 2xPPC and 2x UAC5. Yeah my STs get shot to hell more now, but i can still tear things apart when i spot an opening.

The fact that many CTFs run either an XL or an AC20 means that even without IDing the CTF to find out if it has an AC20, we just aim right for that ST knowing we will kill it outright or cripple it. The Atlas has exactly the same problem.

[Deathlike]

Reitrix, on 18 March 2015 - 05:56 PM, said:

The fact that many CTFs run either an XL or an AC20 means that even without IDing the CTF to find out if it has an AC20, we just aim right for that ST knowing we will kill it outright or cripple it. The Atlas has exactly the same problem.

There's a difference. The Atlas does have a left torso that can do some decent damage in lieu of that (assuming the Atlas is engaged in brawling).

The Cataphract.... good luck with that.

[Ultimax]

I do what I can.

Also, thanks to Gas Guzzler who also brought it up to Russ, Mnemonic for your hit box images and whoever put the video up on HPG (which Gas Guzzler linked to Russ).

[Mirumoto Izanami]

*has his work crew start to bury his 1x and Illya...sees tweet convo* "Hold up there chaps. Take a union break."

[Baron Blitz Fokheimer]

It's okay guys - we can solve this issue by buying a new, different hero mech!

[mogs01gt]

Im having zero issues in my XL running CTF unless I get focused. That is normal for any mech.

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Ultimatum X, on 18 March 2015 - 06:18 PM, said:

I do what I can.

Also, thanks to Gas Guzzler who also brought it up to Russ, Mnemonic for your hit box images and whoever put the video up on HPG (which Gas Guzzler linked to Russ).

Good work bro. Thanks for putting in the footwork to get this issue resolved.