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[Scyther]

It is completely reasonable that you should be able to sell the free mech bays back for 1/2 what you paid for them...

[extraammo]

Why should you have to pay for something that is the equivalent of an integer inside the program? Having to acquire mech bays just to pay for something to put them in is ridiculous!

[Tweaks]

Jetfire, on 20 March 2015 - 04:47 AM, said:

I will be the one.

Some people will complain about anything!

You sure are ungrateful, we get a fun event and your having earned a mechbay or two which you don't personally need is justification for a change to the event?

Seriously though, not everything in life needs to be 100% optimized around you. You do realize that right? I am all for useful criticism but this is like calling pizza hut to complain that this weeks coupons included the Hawaiian which you will never eat in addition to a bunch of stuff you would.

Why am I being ungrateful? It's not like they couldn't give something else or give you the choice for something else if you really don't need it? When you get free stuff at the grocery store for example, they usually propose more than one thing in case you don't need or want the first one. It's just sensible and keeps the customer happy.

The point is that people with as many extra Mech Bays as I have (and I know I'm not the only one) are stuck with them. I will never fill all those Mech Bays, ever, never, not matter how hard I try. Why should I be grateful for getting yet another one?

Edited by Tweaks, 20 March 2015 - 04:54 AM.

[topgun505]

I say bring on the bays.

Why?

Because I'm sure PGI can see the stats of how many bays a person has, and how many are not in use.

If eventually they see everyone has 40 bays sitting empty maybe they will finally get it in their heads that their average cbill rewards per match is woefully insufficient.

I bought a mech last night with cbills. It was the first one I have purchased in a while, despite having 29 empty bays collecting dust. Why'd I buy it? Cause I made an extra 10 mil or so from the Pot o Gold event. Hum. Imagine that. Had some extra cbills. Bought a mech. PGI. Hint HINT.

[Tweaks]

topgun505, on 20 March 2015 - 04:58 AM, said:

I say bring on the bays.

Why?

Because I'm sure PGI can see the stats of how many bays a person has, and how many are not in use.

If eventually they see everyone has 40 bays sitting empty maybe they will finally get it in their heads that their average cbill rewards per match is woefully insufficient.

I bought a mech last night with cbills. It was the first one I have purchased in a while, despite having 29 empty bays collecting dust. Why'd I buy it? Cause I made an extra 10 mil or so from the Pot o Gold event. Hum. Imagine that. Had some extra cbills. Bought a mech. PGI. Hint HINT.

It's not that I can't afford to get some new 'Mechs by the way, it's that I don't want/need to, and most of the time if I want one, I'll pay real money for it because I want a package with at least 3 variants to master it faster. I'm not much of a grinder because I don't have that much time to play to begin with so I want to optimize the time I do have.

I really don't see why they couldn't do this:

If player has more than X free 'Mech Bays, allow him to sell them at 1/2 the cost until he has no more than X free.

There's just no use to neither PGI or players to have that many free 'Mech Bays laying around.

Edited by Tweaks, 20 March 2015 - 05:06 AM.

[LordMelvin]

I could definitely see people who only play a specific chassis or weight class ending up inundated with extra bays. I personally don't throw chassis away, especially not ones I preordered, but I don't see why having the ability to sell empty mech bays would be a problem.

[Tweaks]

LordMelvin, on 20 March 2015 - 05:13 AM, said:

I personally don't throw chassis away, especially not ones I preordered (...).

I had done the math when I sold all the Phoenix Chassis (and equipment) that I didn't use, and I believe it gave me a lot more C-Bills than I could have ever converted from MCs for the same cost in dollars. The Phoenix Package was like 30 Mechs or so, and a lot of those had XL engines, which sold (a piece) for millions.

For the clan packages, since they all have interchangeable omnipods and that some of the chassis which don't have anything special for their CT are redundant, I don't need to keep all variants. I only play one variant at the time anyway, and the only case where I'll keep more than one clan variant of the same chassis is if the CT has something special (like the Direwolf-S), or that I want to have two different variants so I don't have to keep swapping loadouts between two builds I really like. I usually only keep the prime (I) variant (which I can't sell anyway) of the clan waves package and sell the others. I just keep some of the omnipods around in case I need to swap them but sell the ones I will never use.

I just don't play InnerSphere 'Mechs anymore because I don't find them cost effective enough.

Edited by Tweaks, 20 March 2015 - 05:29 AM.

[Rhaythe]

MadBadger, on 20 March 2015 - 04:51 AM, said:

It is completely reasonable that you should be able to sell the free mech bays back for 1/2 what you paid for them...

Heh. Here. Enjoy a like.

[Vandul]

It would be nice if you could donate them to your unit, for newer players, etc...

OR

Treat them as "cold storage" where you put mechs away that you dont want to use and remove them from your UI when doing mechlab stuff

OR

Sell them for C-Bills, as previously mentioned.

[1453 R]

Tweaks, on 20 March 2015 - 04:53 AM, said:

Why am I being ungrateful? It's not like they couldn't give something else or give you the choice for something else if you really don't need it? When you get free stuff at the grocery store for example, they usually propose more than one thing in case you don't need or want the first one. It's just sensible and keeps the customer happy.

The point is that people with as many extra Mech Bays as I have (and I know I'm not the only one) are stuck with them. I will never fill all those Mech Bays, ever, never, not matter how hard I try. Why should I be grateful for getting yet another one?

Most folks would say that you probably shouldn't have sold off so many package 'Mechs. I understand where you're coming from to some extent, but selling 'Mechs is almost always an incredible ripoff deal, and you really never know when you might change your mind on something. I'm not going to tell you how to play, and I understand wanting to trade something you have no use for in for something you do have a use for, but you're not really going to find a lot of sympathy, I'm afraid. I've got...hmm. A hundred and ten-something 'Mechs? At work at the moment so can't check, but I've got over a hundred with...one free bay, I think? Recently filled one with a Hugginz during the sale for the lulz.

Mostly because I don't sell 'Mechs. If I sold everything I don't pilot regularly, I'd probably have less than half that count and a whole pile of extra bays, yeah – but then I wouldn’t be able to take nostalgia trips with old buddies every now and then.

topgun505, on 20 March 2015 - 04:58 AM, said:

I say bring on the bays.

Why?

Because I'm sure PGI can see the stats of how many bays a person has, and how many are not in use.

If eventually they see everyone has 40 bays sitting empty maybe they will finally get it in their heads that their average cbill rewards per match is woefully insufficient.

I bought a mech last night with cbills. It was the first one I have purchased in a while, despite having 29 empty bays collecting dust. Why'd I buy it? Cause I made an extra 10 mil or so from the Pot o Gold event. Hum. Imagine that. Had some extra cbills. Bought a mech. PGI. Hint HINT.

On the other hand, being able to buy a new ‘Mech after three matches, two of which you lost, would quickly saturate the game and render the earning of C-bills worthless in the first place since we’d shortly all be sitting on enough C-bills to just buy Terra outright.

While I’ll admit to sitting on premium time basically permanently, even just that is enough where I don’t generally worry about C-bills even with the highly casual playschedule I keep. I’m not one of those guys sitting on enough C-bills to buy an entire Clan wave the moment it’s out for C-bills and not care, but I have enough to pilot what I want to pilot.

Could Paul or Russ or whoever tweak it up a little bit? Sure. But too high is as bad as too low, and might well honestly be worse insofar as keeping the game going is concerned.

[Tweaks]

1453 R, on 20 March 2015 - 05:32 AM, said:

Most folks would say that you probably shouldn't have sold off so many package 'Mechs. I understand where you're coming from to some extent, but selling 'Mechs is almost always an incredible ripoff deal, and you really never know when you might change your mind on something.

Just wanted to comment on that piece... I do know I'm not getting all of my money back, but selling my Phoenix Mechs out was certainly not a ripoff. I had done the math, and it would have cost me a lot more money to rebuy all of those 'Mechs using MCs or converted C-Bills than what it cost me to get them all to begin with. I'm never selling a 'Mech I bought with C-Bills or MCs though, just packaged ones. I'm the kind that knows what he wants and likes, and especially what he doesn't like. I've tried all the variants before I've sold them, and I know for a fact that there are some I would never have played and will never want to play either. I'm not one to change my mind back and forth on things like that. I'm also not the kind to keep everything and anything forever in storage just in case I need it one day. I sell things I don't need when I no longer need them and in the unlikely event that I should ever need it again, I'll buy a new one, borrow one or rent it. I hate stockpiling crap that I may never use again and like to keep my inventory clean.

[Wintersdark]

extraammo, on 20 March 2015 - 04:52 AM, said:

Why should you have to pay for something that is the equivalent of an integer inside the program? Having to acquire mech bays just to pay for something to put them in is ridiculous!

Business model.

PGI needs to make money - they're a business, they have salaries, server costs, need to make a profit to stay in business.

To make money in an F2P game, you need to consider two things:
1) What products to sell to make money, and
2) How to convert free customers to paying customers.

For PGI, point 1 is largely mechs, with colors and camo being secondary. Mech bays are not really profit items, as they're so very cheap. Hence why PGI gives them away regularly: Them being free via events doesn't take noticably away from sales.

In the case of point 2, that's where mechbays come in.

If you're a free player, mechbays are the limiting factor. You can get some free ones, but ultimately you're going to need to buy them unless you buy a mech pack, at which point you're no longer a free player but instead a paying player, so this point no longer applies.

So, you buy a mech bay. Mech bays are very cheap, but you'd need to buy the lowest rank of MC at least to get one, so PGI gets it's, what, $15? Now you buy a mechbay or two, see how easy the process is, and you have some MC in your account.

Hey, that MC? Buying a bit sure was easy, and if you had a little more, you could get a mech! What about that new hero? etc, etc. Welcome to paying customer land

Mech bays are there pretty much entirely to convert free players to paying players. And no, this isn't some Evil Plan, it's simply a necessity of keeping the game running.

[Tweaks]

Wintersdark, on 20 March 2015 - 06:00 AM, said:

If you're a free player, mechbays are the limiting factor. You can get some free ones, but ultimately you're going to need to buy them unless you buy a mech pack, at which point you're no longer a free player but instead a paying player, so this point no longer applies.

So, you buy a mech bay. Mech bays are very cheap, but you'd need to buy the lowest rank of MC at least to get one, so PGI gets it's, what, $15? Now you buy a mechbay or two, see how easy the process is, and you have some MC in your account.

Hey, that MC? Buying a bit sure was easy, and if you had a little more, you could get a mech! What about that new hero? etc, etc. Welcome to paying customer land

Mech bays are there pretty much entirely to convert free players to paying players. And no, this isn't some Evil Plan, it's simply a necessity of keeping the game running.

I get the business model you're talking about, but that leaves our the ones who always buy 'Mech packages that already come with 'Mech Bays. With all the free 'Mech Bay rewards we've been getting lately from events, even if I hadn't sold any 'Mechs at all, I would have plenty of free 'Mech Bays to buy all the hero 'Mechs I want for a while, and that's only if/when they ever bring clan hero 'Mechs, because I just don't like playing IS anymore. In this case, free 'Mech Bays are often a waste for me because I just don't need them.

[Bishop Steiner]

Willard Phule, on 20 March 2015 - 04:25 AM, said:

Shame they have no way of retaining new players once they sucker them into the game, huh?

Yup, no long term players here.


Just Forum Whiners with nothing better to do, I suppose.

[Wintersdark]

Tweaks, on 20 March 2015 - 06:13 AM, said:

I get the business model you're talking about, but that leaves our the ones who always buy 'Mech packages that already come with 'Mech Bays. With all the free 'Mech Bay rewards we've been getting lately from events, even if I hadn't sold any 'Mechs at all, I would have plenty of free 'Mech Bays to buy all the hero 'Mechs I want for a while, and that's only if/when they ever bring clan hero 'Mechs, because I just don't like playing IS anymore. In this case, free 'Mech Bays are often a waste for me because I just don't need them.

Yup. You could make that argument about any prizes, though.

For example: I hate most cockpit items. I find them incredibly distracting and the ones that move are pretty much nauseating. As such, I should be able to sell them, too. Or get something else as a prize, or whatever, right?

Don't get me wrong, I understand where you're coming from. I've got a lot of mechs and bays, and I generally don't sell mechs. Still, I've got probably ten or so empty bays even not selling mechs, and around 70 full bays.

I certainly wouldn't object to being able to sell them, but honestly I just don't see that happening. It's pretty normal for some prizes (note that mechbays are not a default prize with the stocking stuffer events, just one of many possible prizes) to be useless for some players. For example, I know some players with billions of cbills, and nothing to spend them on. C-Bill prizes are then worthless to them.

Bishop Steiner, on 20 March 2015 - 06:15 AM, said:

Yup, no long term players here.

Just Forum Whiners with nothing better to do, I suppose.

Well, there ARE all those people who "don't play anymore" but still come to the forums to complain for years. lol.

[Bishop Steiner]

Wintersdark, on 20 March 2015 - 06:27 AM, said:

Yup. You could make that argument about any prizes, though.

For example: I hate most cockpit items. I find them incredibly distracting and the ones that move are pretty much nauseating. As such, I should be able to sell them, too. Or get something else as a prize, or whatever, right?

Don't get me wrong, I understand where you're coming from. I've got a lot of mechs and bays, and I generally don't sell mechs. Still, I've got probably ten or so empty bays even not selling mechs, and around 70 full bays.

I certainly wouldn't object to being able to sell them, but honestly I just don't see that happening. It's pretty normal for some prizes (note that mechbays are not a default prize with the stocking stuffer events, just one of many possible prizes) to be useless for some players. For example, I know some players with billions of cbills, and nothing to spend them on. C-Bill prizes are then worthless to them.


Well, there ARE all those people who "don't play anymore" but still come to the forums to complain for years. lol.

Sounds like the type of people who stalk ex-girlfriends-

Well, or would if they ever had one.

[LordMelvin]

Bishop Steiner, on 20 March 2015 - 06:30 AM, said:

Sounds like the type of people who stalk ex-girlfriends-

Well, or would if they ever had one.

Coolant flush requested. We have a burn in aisle 3.

[Reitrix]

I have 141 Owned 'Mechs, with 2 Free Bays.

I think I've only ever actually paid MC for a couple of bays >_>
Mostly back in the days before Hero 'Mechs came with a free bay.

Im a hoarder. I only really play 10~ or so 'Mechs regularly.
I never sell 'mechs. I'm just not keen on having to buy it back if i want to try something new. Or the Quirk Gods dish out more TBolt level Quirks.

[Redhook]

Tweaks, on 20 March 2015 - 04:11 AM, said:

I'm one of those who bought the Legendary Founders package and the biggest Phoenix Package, and some of the new clan packages, which means I have over 40 Mech Bays in my inventory. I've since sold many of the chassis that I didn't like or play with to get C-Bills (which a ton of people do too, let's be honest), which means I have nearly 30 free Mech bays right now. (45 owned, 27 free to be precise at the moment).

So when I get another free Mech Bay because of some event, I really couldn't give a crap and I'm just like ... "Meh...".

It would be very nice if such events that give free Mech Bays would replace this reward by something else (i.e. some MCs) when the player has more than XX amount of free Mech Bays already and probably doesn't need any more.

I have this freind who has made not paying a cent to play this game somewhat of an art form. Selling mechs, mech bays ect. just to purchase them again because now there quirked. He also complains that he can't sell his annirversary mechs that they gave us as a gift. If the majority of players had your mindset we would have no game to play. PGI would be out of business. selling mechs is never a smart thing to do. You wat to get MC for mech bays to buy mechs you sold ........lol c'mon man! Sop being such a cheap skate a support the game alittle.

[MoonUnitBeta]

Nothing is free when you buy a mech pack. It's all just heavily discounted.