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[Quicksilver Aberration]

WarHippy, on 20 March 2015 - 11:10 AM, said:

Ok, but Clan ERMED get their range and original heat back.
What he said.

For what reason, the C-ERML would still be the best Medium Laser in the game?

[Almond Brown]

KraftySOT, on 20 March 2015 - 07:51 AM, said:

Ill put it in a less insane way.

We have weapons now that dont even do anything (flamers and MGs), and weapons no one uses (LBs, Clan UAC).

stuff

No. No new weapons. Not until we have at least all the weapons we have now, in a good place.

Well in a Pinpoint world, those weapons that have Spread or are Cone based will NEVER compete and unless they change how they actually function, adding slug based ammo would just be a BS method to (not so subtle) convert the LB and UAC base to a more straight AC base pinpoint weapon so the pinpoint wins out.

[WarHippy]

WM Quicksilver, on 20 March 2015 - 11:11 AM, said:

For what reason, the C-ERML would still be the best Medium Laser in the game?

Because the only advantage the Clan version would have is a little more damage negated by the cooler firing, and shorter duration beam of the IS version for the same weight and range. Even then that doesn't take into consideration any quirks they might receive. I'm all for adding the IS version, but it can't be at the same range without compensation to the Clan version.

[Aresye]

WM Quicksilver, on 20 March 2015 - 11:11 AM, said:

For what reason, the C-ERML would still be the best Medium Laser in the game?

Yup, just like how the C-ERLL is superior to the IS version, except when the IS version is being run on a quirked mech with extremely high hardpoints that can out-DPS any C-ERLL build for lower heat, shorter cooldown, and better hit reg due to the shorter duration.

[Quicksilver Aberration]

WarHippy, on 20 March 2015 - 11:19 AM, said:

Because the only advantage the Clan version would have is a little more damage negated by the cooler firing, and shorter duration beam of the IS version for the same weight and range. Even then that doesn't take into consideration any quirks they might receive. I'm all for adding the IS version, but it can't be at the same range without compensation to the Clan version.

The I-ERML would have increased burn duration (the I-ERLL has a 25% increase over its counterpart) so the difference between the two would be minimal (1.125 vs 1.15). The damage is also not negated by the cooler firing since you are gaining 2 points of damage for 1 point of heat. That means to match the damage potential of 4 C-ERMLs you have to be generating more heat because even 5 I-ERML would be generating more heat than 4 C-ERMLs and still not do as much damage.

As for quirks, honestly I would think they would be given out as sparingly as the I-ERLL quirks are, and we are neglecting Clan quirks should they ever get fixed from their absurdly low amounts currently.

[Dolph Hoskins]

Ozealot, on 20 March 2015 - 11:21 AM, said:

WTF. Just give the IS the same Laser with a different name and color. Problem solved. What's next?

There's your ******* balance! I like that, it's hilarious

[Quicksilver Aberration]

Aresye, on 20 March 2015 - 11:23 AM, said:

Yup, just like how the C-ERLL is superior to the IS version, except when the IS version is being run on a quirked mech with extremely high hardpoints that can out-DPS any C-ERLL build for lower heat, shorter cooldown, and better hit reg due to the shorter duration.

That's a rigged comparison because the C-ERLL has always been sort of sub-par in comparison with the I-ERLL, especially after the loosened ghost heat restrictions.

[Dolph Hoskins]

Ozealot, on 20 March 2015 - 11:36 AM, said:

Ya, hilarious because it's so simple. But these dudes are all over it like "let's try this and that, quirk here and there" while everybody complains. As if they'd stick to the BT lore in this game, ridiculous.

Red lasers would be OP though...

[Telmasa]

Ozealot, on 20 March 2015 - 12:18 PM, said:

You should stop complaining about proper balance.

You should stop liking your own posts.


@ OP: I agree that the IS-ML/C-ERML imbalance is a little too much - when the c-ERML is more comparable to the IS-LL than to the IS-ML, I think that isn't quite right.

[Chuck Jager]

the heat of the Clan med is not a real issue because the amount of damage they are able to put out while the enemy is closing the distance hoping to get into is med range. The range damage is so good it is basically the only non-pulse laser I use atm.

[Andi Nagasia]

@Ozealot, um not trying to push, but why do you like your own posts? just wondering?

WM Quicksilver, on 20 March 2015 - 11:26 AM, said:

The I-ERML would have increased burn duration (the I-ERLL has a 25% increase over its counterpart) so the difference between the two would be minimal (1.125 vs 1.15). The damage is also not negated by the cooler firing since you are gaining 2 points of damage for 1 point of heat. That means to match the damage potential of 4 C-ERMLs you have to be generating more heat because even 5 I-ERML would be generating more heat than 4 C-ERMLs and still not do as much damage.

As for quirks, honestly I would think they would be given out as sparingly as the I-ERLL quirks are, and we are neglecting Clan quirks should they ever get fixed from their absurdly low amounts currently.

i just think having the IS-ER-ML would help MWO find Balance easier,
as C-ER-ML cant be compared to the IS-ML or IS-LL, C-ER-ML should be compared to IS-ER-ML!

that said their is a Rumor they are going to be replacing Specific Quirks with Category Quirks, (Example),
RightNowWeHave=General-Quirks(+15%EnergyRange)&Specific-Quirks(+15%LargeLaserRange(Just LLs),
WhatMayChange=General-Quirks(+15%EnergyRange)&Category-Quirks(+15%LargeLaserRange(LL/ERLL/LPL),
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Edited by Andi Nagasia, 20 March 2015 - 02:36 PM.

[Andi Nagasia]

Ozealot, on 20 March 2015 - 02:41 PM, said:

Same reason MWO game mechanics are exploited - I simply can do it.

Yup sounds legit,

[Saint Scarlett Johan]

Andi Nagasia, on 20 March 2015 - 02:34 PM, said:

that said their is a Rumor they are going to be replacing Specific Quirks with Category Quirks, (Example),
RightNowWeHave=General-Quirks(+15%EnergyRange)&Specific-Quirks(+15%LargeLaserRange(Just LLs),
WhatMayChange=General-Quirks(+15%EnergyRange)&Category-Quirks(+15%LargeLaserRange(LL/ERLL/LPL),
Edit- Spelling

Linky linky?

[Andi Nagasia]

Lord Scarlett Johan, on 20 March 2015 - 02:52 PM, said:

Linky linky?

Mike Forst, on 18 March 2015 - 06:24 PM, said:

Previously the only quirks that were available were for an individual weapon and entire weapon types (ie. LRM15 and Missile). This pass introduces weapon families: LRM Family affects all LRM launchers but not SRMs and SSRMs.

Before if we wanted to provide a quirk for just LRMs we would have to add individual LRM5, LRM10, LRM15, and LRM20 quirks and it would have been a long list. Now we can apply a quirk to all LRMs at once without affecting the other missile types.

though i maybe misreading this but one can hope

this may mean by category we will have;
LRM=................LRM5, LRM10, LRM15, LRM20
SRM=................SRM2, SRM4, SRM6,
SSRM=..............SSRM2, SSRM4, SSRM6,
Pulse=...............SPL, MPL, LPL,
SmallLaser=......SL, ER-SL, SPL,
MediumLaser=..ML, ER-ML, MPL ,
LargeLaser=.....LL, ER-LL, LPL,
AC5=................AC5, UAC5, LBX5,
AC=..................AC2, AC5, AC10, AC20,
UAC=................UAC2, UAC5, UAC10, UAC20,
LBX=.................LBX2, LBX5, LBX10, LBX20,
I may be wrong but this would be awesome,

Edited by Andi Nagasia, 20 March 2015 - 05:16 PM.

[Burktross]

Ozealot, on 20 March 2015 - 02:41 PM, said:

Same reason MWO game mechanics are exploited - I simply can do it.

Seems legit.