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[Asrrin]

Seriously, every day on these forums I see tons of people complaining about how crap the economy is, mentioning how c-bill earnings for matches is not what it used to be. A closer inspection of the economy however would clearly show that we are at or above "pre-Paulconomy." During the reign of IGP yes, c-bill earnings tanked, not once, but twice, with promises that it would only be temporary. However, since PGI has been running the show, we have been getting events and tournaments at the rate of 2-4 per month. during challenges, the lowest hanging fruit is 1-3 days of premium time that by itself gives you parity with pre-nerf c-bill gains, but then on top of that you often have the chance to earn mechs, c-bills, and mechbays.

During tournaments, you are often getting per match c-bill bonuses, and during non challenge events you are getting grab bags with TONS of goodies, including pure MC! If you ever only grind out the low hanging fruit of every event you are getting extra rewards that put you much higher than normal earnings, and if you complete every event you are getting free mechs, mech bays, MC, premium time, cockpit items, even colors and camos. Almost every single week!

The economy is as healthy as it ever was, and if people stopped looking at the end of match score and started looking at the complete picture, they would realize it too.

[FupDup]

The constant events are basically a bandaid for the Paulconomy recession. If things were in a better state to begin with, such cover-ups wouldn't be needed in the first place.

Edited by FupDup, 30 March 2015 - 08:43 AM.

[Asrrin]

FupDup, on 30 March 2015 - 08:42 AM, said:

The constant events are basically a bandaid for the Paulconomy recession. If things were in a better state to begin with, such cover-ups wouldn't be needed in the first place.

I like it better this way, because events give free players access to MC only items, something that a pure c-bill buff across the board would never be able to do. Plus it is a great way of putting in goals from week to week for people to strive towards as opposed to mindless drops.

[Lordred]

Asrrin, on 30 March 2015 - 08:46 AM, said:

I like it better this way, because events give free players access to MC only items, something that a pure c-bill buff across the board would never be able to do. Plus it is a great way of putting in goals from week to week for people to strive towards as opposed to mindless drops.

Or they could spend money.

[KraftySOT]

Spending money is for communists.

[Virgil Greyson]

I think c-bill output could be increased a little, not sure what harm it would do. I guess the concern is we would have no need for premium time? Plenty of free to play games make mountains of cash on cosmetics alone, if PGI art team really got stuck in they could make some pretty sweet stuff that nostalgic mech warrior fans would pay for.

[Asrrin]

Lordred, on 30 March 2015 - 08:49 AM, said:

Or they could spend money.

Best way to get more people to spend money is to give them a little taste of the paid stuff for free, so they come back for more. Even drug dealers know that!

[KraftySOT]

No drug dealer has ever given anyone something for free. That makes no sense.

Everyone knows what drugs are and what they do. Every drug dealer owes some up the chain. No one is giving away free drugs to get you hooked. Its like the razor blades in candy on Halloween myth.

There are no joints covered in PCP (unless you want them, theyre called 'Rats'). Its all a lie.

Spending money on F2P defeats the movement to end F2P games.

Edited by KraftySOT, 30 March 2015 - 08:55 AM.

[Lordred]

F2P games CAN be done well.

[KraftySOT]

Lordred, on 30 March 2015 - 08:57 AM, said:

F2P games CAN be done well.

What like League of Skins, World of T-59s, and War Blunder?

[Darian DelFord]

KraftySOT, on 30 March 2015 - 08:55 AM, said:

No drug dealer has ever given anyone something for free. That makes no sense.

Everyone knows what drugs are and what they do. Every drug dealer owes some up the chain. No one is giving away free drugs to get you hooked. Its like the razor blades in candy on Halloween myth.

There are no joints covered in PCP (unless you want them, theyre called 'Rats'). Its all a lie.

Spending money on F2P defeats the movement to end F2P games.

I honestly do not know if he is serious

[KraftySOT]

Or do you mean the Game of Thrones facebook game?

Darian DelFord, on 30 March 2015 - 09:04 AM, said:

I honestly do not know if he is serious

Dead serious. The only times you get free drugs, is at raves, and bachelor parties. And somebody paid for it.

Surprisingly, unlike free to play games, you know what youre going to get when you purchase drugs, they do what theyre advertised to do, you get all of the content for the purchase price, theyre enjoyable, and generally, are alot of fun shared with friends. You dont even need premium time to share them.

Edited by KraftySOT, 30 March 2015 - 09:07 AM.

[Darian DelFord]

KraftySOT, on 30 March 2015 - 09:05 AM, said:

Dead serious. The only times you get free drugs, is at raves, and bachelor parties. And somebody paid for it.

As someone in the profession who has to deal with these folks, they at times will give samples for no pay, to get you hooked

[KraftySOT]

Darian DelFord, on 30 March 2015 - 09:06 AM, said:

As someone in the profession who has to deal with these folks, they at times will give samples for no pay, to get you hooked

No they wont. Drugs A) dont hook you, short of crack, which living years in cracktown, ive come to understand that pocket change at a minimum is required. Maybe a brillo pad. all drug dealers are end of the line sellers, they owe someone. If they give away product, they have to mark up other product higher, hurting their competitiveness. They also run the risk of violence for over charging, or for offering free things to the wrong people.

You might get potheads to share a spliff. You dont see people sharing their ******* and meth.

[Lordred]

KraftySOT, on 30 March 2015 - 09:03 AM, said:

What like League of Skins, World of T-59s, and War Blunder?

Actually LoL, and WoT are both fairly well done despite your humors quips.

War Thunder has a long way to go.

[KraftySOT]

Not to mention, no one needs help hooking people on drugs. If youre interested in drugs, youre already hooked. Theres only a handful of physically addicting drugs, and theyre all the ones behind a high price point, and only coke is a 'party drug' which you wont find people anywhere, who need to try it to find out what it is. Its *******. We know that. You either want it, or you dont.

In my vast experience with narcotics, ive never seen anyone give anyone anything for free, unless theyre blasted out of their gourd. Then they wake up the next day, wondering where their drugs and money are.

Drug dealers are scum. Greedy scum. They dont give out things for free.

Though a Free Drug America would be awesome.

But even in Somalia...drug dealers who are basically warlord recruiters, dont give out Kot for free to their future henchmen and child soldiers. You owe them your service now. Youre paying for your Kot (or Qot, Khat, its like coke/*******) with your machete hacking.

Gang members in the Barrio in East LA might give you free drugs, but its because you now owe them your fielty. They own you. You owe for those drugs, just not nessarily in cash money.

The black market of drugs is terrible.

Lordred, on 30 March 2015 - 09:10 AM, said:

Actually LoL, and WoT are both fairly well done despite your humors quips.

War Thunder has a long way to go.

LoL is terrible. You have 9 heroes, and 60+ skins for them. Its competitive, it has boobs, it has 9 year olds and pro gamers. Theres literally nothing to like about it.

WoT...same thing. Its still just an arena. With a horrible match maker. But people like tanks. Especially Russians.

Edited by KraftySOT, 30 March 2015 - 09:17 AM.

[Sarlic]

Half fed-up measures.

[Virgil Greyson]

KraftySOT, on 30 March 2015 - 09:03 AM, said:

What like League of Skins, World of T-59s, and War Blunder?

Are you implying that these games are not successful financially? I know for a fact League of Skins is. Players love cosmetic items more then anything else in these types of games. Maybe we just need more hats?

[KraftySOT]

But lets not get side tracked here like a bunch of po-theads.

The PaulEconomy is bad. The events are a bandaid. Its nice, but its not really fixing the problem.

Theres simply not enough you can do with your space toy, to make them worth the money, and theres simply not enough cbills, to play with all the space toys. So people spend money, simply because they like the franchise. People play because its moderately enjoyable.

Theeeeen they take long breaks or leave. Because unlike me, no one wants to play 2,500 matches in a single variant/chassis. Its boring. Theres not enough of a draw to drop cash to play something different, which might be terrible, and cbills are too scarce to use on anything that isnt meta.

Its a massive cluster ****

Virgil Greyson, on 30 March 2015 - 09:18 AM, said:

Are you implying that these games are not successful financially? I know for a fact League of Skins is. Players love cosmetic items more then anything else in these types of games. Maybe we just need more hats?

Brittany Spears was financially successful.

Go ahead. Make the case she was a deep engrossing product that made her album worth the same price point as The Beatles Revolver.

Financially successful, and good, are two completely different things. F2P is the Brittany Spears of video games. Its a minimum-ally viable product, catering to a niche demographic with a massive wallet.

Edited by KraftySOT, 30 March 2015 - 09:23 AM.

[Asrrin]

My god, it was an analogy, nothing more. It's basic tactics for any sort of advertising. Give away free samples of a product to get you to try it and like it so that a fraction of those who got free samples will go on to purchase. I mentioned drugs as a quip, but it's easily applicable to any number of things. Food samples, razor blades, detergents, toothpaste, digital services like netflix or gamefly. Stop trying to derail the subject.

It works, it gives people free stuff, and gives PGI more potential sales. It's a win win for everyone.