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[Arctourus]

not trolling on april fools or anything....just wondering if any info was out there on the timing of a new IS pack. Assume there will be one soon since the wave three is almost closed.

[El Bandito]

Rumor has it the next pack is named Reinforcement Support pack:

Light--Javelin

Medium--Assassin

Heavy--Bombardier

Assault--Mauler

Edited by El Bandito, 01 April 2015 - 05:49 AM.

[CDLord HHGD]

El Bandito, on 01 April 2015 - 05:42 AM, said:

Rumor has it the next pack is named Reinforcement Support pack:

Light--Javelin

Medium--Assassin

Heavy--Bombardier

Assault--Mauler

Think I'd rather see the Exterminator paired with the Assassin.... Though the Comguard Response Pack still has a nice ring to it.....

[DaZur]

Really... Bombardier?

Might as well be an Agro-mech...

[C E Dwyer]

El Bandito, on 01 April 2015 - 05:42 AM, said:

Rumor has it the next pack is named Reinforcement Support pack:

Light--Javelin

Medium--Assassin

Heavy--Bombardier

Assault--Mauler

My interest stopped at Assasin

[FupDup]

El Bandito, on 01 April 2015 - 05:42 AM, said:

Rumor has it the next pack is named Reinforcement Support pack:

Light--Javelin

Medium--Assassin

Heavy--Bombardier

Assault--Mauler

I'm pretty sure the heavy would almost have to be the BK, given the poll results several months ago... Also Cyclops for assault.

Assassin is alright I guess and Javelin is just an Oxide with 5 less tons to use for equipment.

[Rhaythe]

Didn't Russ want to get an ECM IS Heavy into the game soon-ish? So more nods for the Black Knight.

(Or is that the poll you're referring to, FupDup?)

[Arctourus]

not really caring so much about content....if there is a mauler I'm buying it. Just wondering about timing.

[El Bandito]

FupDup, on 01 April 2015 - 06:09 AM, said:

Assassin is alright I guess and Javelin is just an Oxide with 5 less tons to use for equipment.

Oxide is a Hero mech though...

Currently we do not have a good missile Light that can jump. Commandos cannot jump and Jenners got the missiles all on the CT slot.

Edited by El Bandito, 01 April 2015 - 06:23 AM.

[FupDup]

El Bandito, on 01 April 2015 - 06:21 AM, said:

Oxide is a Hero mech though...

Not the point.

The idea is that a light (or any mech, really) with just pure missiles and nothing else (namely, some kind of energy backup weapons) tends to be sub-par, especially when not at the optimal tonnage for their weight class...

If you're a light mech, you always want to be 35 tons unless you've got a hyperspeed huge engine, in which case a 30 tonner can get to high speeds easier. For any other purpose, though, it's 35 tons or bust. It's sort of like how the medium class is actually the 55 ton class (excluding quirks)...

Edited by FupDup, 01 April 2015 - 06:25 AM.

[Chuanhao]

Light

Javelin sounds like a good choice. Mongoose would make a good choice too.

Heavy:

We already have the Grasshopper 70 ton laser boat. We have had the Awesome 80 ton laser boat. We dont need the 75 ton Black knight laser boat.

I would much prefer something with a more distinct character. Exterminator (390XL), War Dog (ECM + All Rounder) or something iconic like Archer or Hammerhands.

Assault:

Mauler sounds fantastic except it has the Awesome Big and Easy Torso Issue. Annihilator may be just too slow. Cyclops would duplicate the DDC as another ECM option. Charger would be the IS ManOWar, Crockett would be a duplicate of Victor. Thug and Hatamoto-Chi can be duplicated by the Awesome. So since there is no one good option, let's go for Urbanmech's big brother - The IMP

[El Bandito]

FupDup, on 01 April 2015 - 06:24 AM, said:

Not the point.

The idea is that a light (or any mech, really) with just pure missiles and nothing else (namely, some kind of energy backup weapons) tends to be sub-par, especially when not at the optimal tonnage for their weight class...

If you're a light mech, you always want to be 35 tons unless you've got a hyperspeed huge engine, in which case a 30 tonner can get to high speeds easier. For any other purpose, though, it's 35 tons or bust. It's sort of like how the medium class is actually the 55 ton class (excluding quirks)...

Then PGI might as well delete all the non-35/55/75/100 ton mechs. **** Locust, **** Thunderbutt, **** Victor etc... Why bother to make less than optimal weight mechs such as C-Born, and Arctic Cheater...

Edited by El Bandito, 01 April 2015 - 09:15 AM.

[HellJumper]

where did Black night went?

[Metus regem]

Light: Falcon

Medium: Crab

heavy: Black Knight

Assault: Cyclopes


Those would be my guesses.

[FupDup]

El Bandito, on 01 April 2015 - 06:54 AM, said:

Then PGI might as well delete all the non-35/55/75/100 ton mechs. **** Locust, **** Thunderbutt, **** Victor etc... Why bother to make useless less than optimal weight mechs such as C-Born, and Arctic Cheater...

Fun fact: The Arctic Cheetah would actually gain 2 tons of extra weapon space and a bit more armor if it was 35 tons instead of 30 tons, with the other traits lie speed kept the same. Due to PGI's mechlab, you also get an extra 2.0 engine heatsink. Even at 30 tons it's going to be strong enough as it is...


I don't want to derail this thread into a mech weight discussion too hard, but basically we've inherited some problems from BT's construction system. One of those problems is that in many cases, a mech that's bigger ends up being better. There are some exceptions if we compare different tech levels, or some mechs have better stock loadouts/hardpoints, etc., but in general it's better to be at the top end of your weight class. Fortunately, the heavy and assault classes have much more wiggle room in this regard than mediums and lights, where you can be about in the middle without being handicapped a whole lot (except 60 ton heavies, who are basically 55 tonners who ate too many donuts).


It's a loophole that sucks popsickles and I hate it. For PGI it's hard to determine whether they care or don't care. On one hand, mechs lower than their class top sometimes have really nice quirks (i.e. Lolcust and Hunchies) but on the other hand we can see a number of mechs that get obsoleted by mechs that are a little bit fatter.

If I were the president of MWO I would try to make more efforts to differentiate mechs of lower weight (i.e. in general the lighter mech should have better agility and hill climbing ability, regardless of the engine size you use, also slightly smaller physical scaling would help). But alas, I'm not el presidente...

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For the Javie in particular I guess they could Quirkify it until people used it. I guess they could make it into a Freemimum equivalent of the Huginn with crazy fast SRM spamming speed. I do actually have somewhat of a fear of Huginns these days because of it...

However, seeing some of the quirks on recent Resistance mechs (lol 12.5% missile range on an assault with 1 missile hardpoint), and nerfs to old mechs like Battlemasters...that's not quite a guarantee to happen.

They're really been scaredycats around quirks lately, probably in part due to the forum wars caused by mechs like the Thud 9S.

Edited by FupDup, 01 April 2015 - 07:48 AM.

[Summon3r]

Metus regem, on 01 April 2015 - 07:44 AM, said:

Light: Falcon

Medium: Crab

heavy: Black Knight

Assault: Cyclopes


Those would be my guesses.

if i was a betting man id bet on this, not sure about the light though

[Spheroid]

Since they are running out of heavies I wouldn't mind another medium.


Either the Dervish or Bushwacker.

[MechaBattler]

Why wouldn't it just be the ones that didn't get picked for the Resistance pack? The voting was neck and neck between the Black Knight and the Grasshopper.

Though personally a Comstar Clanbuster pack would be interesting.

Edited by MechaBattler, 01 April 2015 - 07:53 AM.

[kapusta11]

Another worthless light

Another worthless medium

Black Knight, including custom ECM capable variant

Cyclops or Mauler, I'd pick the latter

Edited by kapusta11, 01 April 2015 - 08:00 AM.

[Rhaythe]

kapusta11, on 01 April 2015 - 07:53 AM, said:

Cyclops or Marauder, I'd pick the latter

Marauder ain't happening. Ever.