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[YCSLiesmith]

Molossian Dog, on 10 April 2015 - 04:32 AM, said:

It creeps the hell out of me that I agree on so much with Liesmith lately.

sometimes the things you hate most in others are what you despise in yourself.

[YCSLiesmith]

ManaValkyrie, on 10 April 2015 - 02:33 AM, said:

Sibko/Recruit - This is a period of adjustment, its like the first month or two with a new employer (Not that this is a job it just fits) to ensure that you fit in well with the unit, that both sides are happy with each other.

Almost all units do some form of the above IS or Clan, just the names and exact process will be slightly different. Casual units, are less formal and competitive units much more formal and exacting with the recruitment processes.

This isn't really true, but also I hear the wolfs are the worst about it. one of the people who drops with my unit regularly told a story of how the clan wolf guys do roleplay trials to advance in rank, and if you do one you have to get both written and voice recorded testimony from someone that yes, you did win your trial of position in 1996 netmech to achieve the rank of Star Colonel in Clan Wolf. it's hilarious and deadly serious to them. Which makes it a real pleasure to kill them and then make fun of their bad play and terrible mech designs.

[Livewyr]

CTF GLOC, on 10 April 2015 - 12:49 AM, said:

Now I wanted to join a Clan but after putting my interest out there I was told I’d have to start as a Sibko (I’m not a child), then there were tedious interviews and regimented practice times and unfortunately I don’t have the time for that,

Some units just have to have busy work for themselves. Some leadership (not all) have much more fun creating little regimens, paperwork, hoops, and drama for themselves and 'subordinates' than they do actually playing the game.

Like having a Community Warfare Clan of 30 actual fighters, and 70 people playing "The Sims: Clan Edition."

YCSLiesmith, on 10 April 2015 - 04:43 AM, said:

This isn't really true, but also I hear the wolfs are the worst about it. one of the people who drops with my unit regularly told a story of how the clan wolf guys do roleplay trials to advance in rank, and if you do one you have to get both written and voice recorded testimony from someone that yes, you did win your trial of position in 1996 netmech to achieve the rank of Star Colonel in Clan Wolf. it's hilarious and deadly serious to them. Which makes it a real pleasure to kill them and then make fun of their bad play and terrible mech designs.

...not all of us.

[YCSLiesmith]

Livewyr, on 10 April 2015 - 04:51 AM, said:

Some units just have to have busy work for themselves. Some leadership (not all) have much more fun creating little regimens, paperwork, hoops, and drama for themselves and 'subordinates' than they do actually playing the game.

Like having a Community Warfare Clan of 30 actual fighters, and 70 people playing "The Sims: Clan Edition."

yeah, but the point is **** those guys, am i right? it is a good feeling to rock up and crush their little sim clan game because i'm a real human being who is better at mechs than they are, though

[Molossian Dog]

Livewyr, on 10 April 2015 - 04:52 AM, said:

Some leadership (not all) have much more fun creating little regimens, paperwork, hoops, and drama for themselves and 'subordinates' than they do actually playing the game.

Those aren´t leaders. They are called bureaucrats. Bureaucrats should never be given responsibility. Choose your own real world example as a proof.

YCSLiesmith, on 10 April 2015 - 04:35 AM, said:

sometimes the things you hate most in others are what you despise in yourself.

Dude, please.

If I had known this to results in autograph book wisdom I would have posted some glitter stars.

[Novawrecker]

Molossian Dog, on 10 April 2015 - 05:40 AM, said:

Dude, please.

If I had known this to results in autograph book wisdom I would have posted some glitter stars.

You're still missing those stars

[That Dawg]

dervishx5, on 10 April 2015 - 01:03 AM, said:

take a hiatus until this is fixed.

that

YCSLiesmith, on 10 April 2015 - 04:35 AM, said:

sometimes the things you hate most in others are what you despise in yourself.

If I ever roll stomp a team and mock them on chat, I'll get back with ya

[Tom Sawyer]

FRR Hub and TS for the win

Even with pugs forming a 12 man we still have fun, win games, and do not get all META.

its a GAME. I get enough paperwork and hop to it in real life.

[Y E O N N E]

YCSLiesmith, on 10 April 2015 - 04:17 AM, said:

lmao I heard clan wolf did garbage like this and didn't want to believe it, no wonder they get rolled 24/7. join one of the other clans dude, I think you're just in the worst one

to clarify, by worst I mean both the least skilled and the most obnoxious. clan wolf single most pathetic faction in game

YCSLiesmith, on 10 April 2015 - 04:43 AM, said:

This isn't really true, but also I hear the wolfs are the worst about it. one of the people who drops with my unit regularly told a story of how the clan wolf guys do roleplay trials to advance in rank, and if you do one you have to get both written and voice recorded testimony from someone that yes, you did win your trial of position in 1996 netmech to achieve the rank of Star Colonel in Clan Wolf. it's hilarious and deadly serious to them. Which makes it a real pleasure to kill them and then make fun of their bad play and terrible mech designs.

Not all of the Clan units do this; is it CWI that does this? I know in Ghost Bears, CGBI does the whole role-playing thing, where you start as a Sibko and have to perform trials to advance in rank. The divisions within the unit also get to undertake Trials of Possession if multiple divisions want a particular player in their ranks. So, basically, you can get shuffled around among different groups of players within the unit if you are notorious enough to be desirable.

At least with CGBI, they are pretty laid back while doing it, but it's still too up-tight for my tastes. I don't do trials by combat, because my success lies in not playing fair. That's the whole reason I've been invited to any unit, ever.

[Doomstryke]

Most units have that process?? Crazy stuff Hey JP we need to fix out recruitment policy, apperently us OLDS have been doing it wrong all along. Apperently hey can i drop with you guys in chat followed by raidcall or team speak info isn't good enough...

Jokes aside lot of teams are way more casual then that. Our unit for example, if you have a mic you can play with us. hop on team speak as tom has mentioned above. Joining teams there for a drop or 2 usually goes like this. "Hey can i drop with you guys. sure whats name or sorry we are full, try one of the other channels. usually we have room so rules are follow our awesome elite tactics that is murder ball and push when we say so cool? (super elite top secret tactics) = win

90% of the strat in this game is sticking together.

[Verkhne]

It is actually kinda epic playing as a clanner now. We are lucky to see 4 man units on the clan side, and often drop against very good IS 10-12 mans. Losses are almost inevitable..( I have won maybe 1! game in the last few days) BUT it is a great chance to hone your skills as team drops around you. Even in a stomp you can get good scores, and that is likely the only source of satisfaction you will get atm, but still dropping a mech as last player on your team I satisfying.

[Balilaika]

dervishx5, on 10 April 2015 - 01:03 AM, said:

Let me just insert this here before someone tells you to stop whining and join a team.

I agree in some respects that pugs probably shouldn't be pitted against twelve mans. In fairness to PGI, even if they're struggling to develop it, we'll probably see a fix for this sooner or later.

One suggestion is to hang in there. Another is to take a hiatus until this is fixed. The best solution is to hang out in a teamspeak where these 12 mans form and join in on the action. I can't even stand the thought of dropping in CW alone. It's the equivalent of a human wave attack.

In the end no amount of light rushes/energy snipers/gauss/streak boats/jenner IICs/metagame is going to save you from a coordinated team with a drop commander. Only another coordinated team with a dedicated drop commander is going to do that.

Though 12 rag tags that are willing to speak to each other can put up much more of a fight.
Me and mate went doing some Cw as a twosome yesterday. We ended up with solos every game. We won one game all night, vs 3 smaller teams. We won this game because all of the team tried to use voip and talk to each ohter. It worked wonders.
The other games had these features in common:
No one talked
No one typed
No one listened to us talking
10 of our teams just did what they wanted, regardless of what they were asked to do.
Result? roflstomped.

2 pug cws tonight on my alt account, both games only me and one other talked. 10 mutes each time, 10 peeps that would not listen each time. 10 peeps who randomly did what they wanted each time.
Result? roflstomps.

This pattern repeats ad infinitum.

It's not premades or the game mode at fault, it's every single person that won't try to to do team work. One could argue PGI shares some blame as they are doing a game mode that most casuals don't want to do. If as the op suggests they just want to have a longer match, why on earth don't we all petition PGI to make standard matches have 4 respawns?

Because from what I have personally seen-the average MWO player DOES NOT WANT TO TEAMWORK.

[Doomstryke]

I think they just need to make death match free for all a thing. If people won't join coms or talk ingame when others are willing they will alwasy lose. Wish you could just force pugs into deathmatch if they disable ingame coms and aren't using something else

[Chef Kerensky]

YCSLiesmith, on 10 April 2015 - 04:17 AM, said:

lmao I heard clan wolf did garbage like this and didn't want to believe it, no wonder they get rolled 24/7. join one of the other clans dude, I think you're just in the worst one

to clarify, by worst I mean both the least skilled and the most obnoxious. clan wolf single most pathetic faction in game

As it turns out, people get good at video games when they treat them like video games instead of trying to recreate the order of the freemasons

That Dawg, on 10 April 2015 - 07:04 AM, said:

that

Naturally, clan wolf player pops into the thread to ask "Have you tried giving up?"

Edited by Chef Kerensky, 10 April 2015 - 01:44 PM.

[Stoned Prophet]

G-LOC, on 10 April 2015 - 12:49 AM, said:

I’m sick of losing at CW.

Really sick of it.

Last night Me and my rag-tag bunch of clanners dropped against the 12^th Donegal Guards, 12 of them on Sulphurous and my god we were royally spanked. I’m guessing the 12DG were fully coordinated with Teamspeak and a cohesive battle plan where as we were just a bunch of casual players wanting a slightly longer match than normal assault or conquest who did not have the advantage of coordination or comms.

Now I’m not bitter, the 12^th Donegal Guards played very well with the small exception of some spawn camping but why on earth were we pitted against them!?

Now I wanted to join a Clan but after putting my interest out there I was told I’d have to start as a Sibko (I’m not a child), then there were tedious interviews and regimented practice times and unfortunately I don’t have the time for that, I am a casual player who since closed Beta has probably only dropped £30 a year on this game and much as I like the lore the bigger clans do take it a little bit too far.

So why can’t a rag-tag group be pitted against another rag-tag group? I wouldn’t mind waiting a little longer in the queue but these ROFLStomps get a bit much, despite respectable scores in CW 5/6 I always lose and that can’t be right.

Sorry, rant over.

Stop being rag tag, you might win.

[Chef Kerensky]

Even if the OP's a filthy clanner he's still asking an honest question that I think deserves an honest answer, and that answer is twofold. One, you will not win regularly in CW if you don't find some friends or a unit to roll with. Two, if your faction's only available units are going to force you into some stupid roleplay **** just to drop with them a few nights a week in CW you might want to start looking elsewhere.

[Tarl Cabot]

Chef Kerensky, on 10 April 2015 - 02:07 PM, said:

Even if the OP's a filthy clanner he's still asking an honest question that I think deserves an honest answer, and that answer is twofold. One, you will not win regularly in CW if you don't find some friends or a unit to roll with. Two, if your faction's only available units are going to force you into some stupid roleplay **** just to drop with them a few nights a week in CW you might want to start looking elsewhere.

Just to add to this. In the Clan subforum there is a thread listing the Minor Clan factions TS. Just be aware that non-Wolf TS will only see you on defense. Try to use the Faction chat window (shudders) and/or the LFG. Make friends/add to list.

Unfortunately until PGI restructures the UI to allow Unit/Faction Chat windows to be visible on all screens (it will be the closest thing we will get to lobbies atm), as well as add time stamps, players will need to be proactive on hooking up with others with a similar viewpoint/expectations, to communicate with each other. Not all but many people drop into combat sorta expecting others to know what to do, have situational awareness, etc.

As for the OP post, it is sorta funny in a way. The first several months of the CW that post would have been made by an Innersphere mechwarrior instead of a Clan mechwarrior. As noted in one of the other threads sharing Clan TS and though it took abit for some than others, the Houses have gotten better at redirecting IS pugs to their TS, and the number of people communicating, be House TS, MWO TS or using the barely there chat (it needs a major overhaul), is slowing increasing.

Good luck!!

Sayonara (bows)

[Kristov Kerensky]

Some people like to role play, some don't, I'm sure there are some Clan Wolf units who aren't into the role play bit for anything other than grins and giggles.

You'll probably need to do some trials and be called something like Sibkin, which btw, doesn't mean child, it means you are related to the each other, Clan children are raised in Sibkos, sibling companies, usually all genetically related, so it's not a demeaning term, it's actually an including term.

Lowest level Rank in the Clans is Point, for the 5 points in the Clan Star, and it goes from there. And yes, the Clans have Trials to determine your rank, etc, exactly how many non-Clan units also determine rank, by how good you are in combat. Expect that with units from any faction.

Most units will want to interview you in some fashion, be it an actual chat interview or just dropping with them multiple times. This serves multiple functions, it lets the team know if you are a fit for them and it lets YOU know if the team is a fit for you. My own unit, SRM, we're totally uncensored, we've gamed together for 20 years, and we've been known to run people off after a single drop with us, we're TOO adult for some. We'll also sit and bs about real life stuff during a drop because we've been gaming together so long we don't have to give instructions, we just know what to do, and that also drives some away.
Other groups, like Seraphim(think that's the name) are the total opposite, they are a religious group, no cussing or adult talk allowed, and they want to make sure you are the same way. And some are really into the whole ROLE PLAYING thing, they'll speak like a Clan Trueborn(no contractions, no slang, no vulgarity), and they'll expect you to be the same way, and by doing interviews or multiple drops, both of you can see if it'll work out or not.

Bit of a pain, eh, maybe, but it's worth it when you find a good unit. I've been the XO of SRM since 1999, been gaming with them since 1995, I was in a Clan when I first ran into them and they were Inner Sphere scum, actually Pirates, and one of the best units in the Registry at the time. 4 years later Dacobra, one of the 2 CO's, was able to recruit me, I've been XO every since through multiple MW titles and other games. Great group of people who I've stayed in contact with online and offline for 20 years.

[dervishx5]

Kristov Kerensky, on 10 April 2015 - 03:03 PM, said:

Some people like to role play, some don't, I'm sure there are some Clan Wolf units who aren't into the role play bit for anything other than grins and giggles.

What? Haven't you seen what wolf warriors do in their spare time in their cockpits?

If you're a true battletech fan, you know what picture I'm talking about.

[Richter Kerensky]

Kristov Kerensky, on 10 April 2015 - 03:03 PM, said:

Some people like to role play, some don't, I'm sure there are some Clan Wolf units who aren't into the role play bit for anything other than grins and giggles.

You'll probably need to do some trials and be called something like Sibkin, which btw, doesn't mean child, it means you are related to the each other, Clan children are raised in Sibkos, sibling companies, usually all genetically related, so it's not a demeaning term, it's actually an including term.

Lowest level Rank in the Clans is Point, for the 5 points in the Clan Star, and it goes from there. And yes, the Clans have Trials to determine your rank, etc, exactly how many non-Clan units also determine rank, by how good you are in combat. Expect that with units from any faction.

Most units will want to interview you in some fashion, be it an actual chat interview or just dropping with them multiple times. This serves multiple functions, it lets the team know if you are a fit for them and it lets YOU know if the team is a fit for you. My own unit, SRM, we're totally uncensored, we've gamed together for 20 years, and we've been known to run people off after a single drop with us, we're TOO adult for some. We'll also sit and bs about real life stuff during a drop because we've been gaming together so long we don't have to give instructions, we just know what to do, and that also drives some away.
Other groups, like Seraphim(think that's the name) are the total opposite, they are a religious group, no cussing or adult talk allowed, and they want to make sure you are the same way. And some are really into the whole ROLE PLAYING thing, they'll speak like a Clan Trueborn(no contractions, no slang, no vulgarity), and they'll expect you to be the same way, and by doing interviews or multiple drops, both of you can see if it'll work out or not.

Bit of a pain, eh, maybe, but it's worth it when you find a good unit. I've been the XO of SRM since 1999, been gaming with them since 1995, I was in a Clan when I first ran into them and they were Inner Sphere scum, actually Pirates, and one of the best units in the Registry at the time. 4 years later Dacobra, one of the 2 CO's, was able to recruit me, I've been XO every since through multiple MW titles and other games. Great group of people who I've stayed in contact with online and offline for 20 years.

Most effective Clan strategy so far: bore to death.