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[Almond Brown]

kamiko kross, on 16 April 2015 - 12:09 PM, said:

Always the same answer, from the same angle.
It's always the provoked's fault, never the provocateur.
The provoked must change so the provocateur can just carry on.
But when I ask, does that cycle ever end? If the person acting as the provocateur never changes, they will just carry on provoking others endlessly. Causing the same misery over and over and over....

If one person "bottles it up" then provocateur moves on to the next person, who has to bottle it up...and so on. Maybe further down the line that one provocateur has affected 50 people when the solution is for that ONE person to change so 5o others don't have to.

I realise the above has little bearing on MWO but I am dumbfounded by the position of "it's your fault for getting angry" when that anger requires outside input.....half the ragers in MWO games would not rage if people didn't play so passively/block/ignore the team etc.
The rage takes at least two to tango.

It is a GAME ffs. Keep your self induced RAGE to yourself. If the play of others really causes you to rage, just quit playing. Everyone wins that way.

Everyone would be way ahead and might prevent some personal health based issues that "extended/proponged RAGE" events likely cause.

[Almond Brown]

lsp, on 16 April 2015 - 07:23 PM, said:

I'm not going to address your full statement, but I was not referring to the internet in my second paragraph. And second, the first amendment or anything in the constitution is not a "privilege".

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

This part right here "prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech" means yeah, people can speak their mind regardless if someone else likes it or not. It's called liberty, you should come to the U.S. and try it out. And if you're already in the U.S., enjoy.

Well if said speech is deemed Slander, you get taken to court and either jailed for your ignorant behavior or told to stop. Some of the stuff we hear and read even on here would be considered slanderous if some folks wished to pursue it.

So even "Free Speech" has limits.

[MechWarrior3671771]

" First issue you have -- YOU THINK I AM THERE TO TEACH PEOPLE HOW TO PLAY. '

No, you already said upthread that you think insulting them will make them better players, ie. that's your method of teaching. And when shown how stupid your approach is, you now pretend you aren't really trying to teach them anything.


"YOU ASSUME because it is a PUG it is "Ok to lose because that is how they go"... With that said.. sure there is a certain amount of expected fails... but there is no reason to be flat out stupid."

You know what else I'm going to assume? That you are making your own assumptions about how stupid the other players are. For example, 9 times out of 10, when I see some player whining about how they are being blocked? Its because they jumped inside a guy's firing lane and then backed up. You're that guy aren't you? Always complaining about stupid pilots without realizing you are the one doing The Stupid.

Edited by Fenrisulvyn, 17 April 2015 - 09:15 AM.

[vandalhooch]

Joseph Mallan, on 15 April 2015 - 03:33 AM, said:

Don't know about you Al, I joined my first Forum in Dec of 2001. Thats almost 14 years ago. What I've seen is in 14 years, the maturity level of forum members have regressed not progressed. Then again in teh early days of the internet... not as many children were on line. Less folks were trying to be cool and edgy. If you think the chat here(and in game) is pretty harsh... well you have no idea what harsh looks like in text. You really don't.


(Not a You specifically Al, as usual you in general)

I wouldn't exactly describe 2001 as the "early days of the Internet." I joined my first forum in 1994 and even then there was already a diverse community of posters. Some forums were toxic, some were pseudo toxic (forerunner of 4chan), and some were mature.

I think the reported levels of toxicity online are subject to a great deal of observation bias. How much Facebook traffic would you consider to be toxic? Another factor is that text fails to give readers adequate context. Humans rely on visual and auditory cues in speech to discern actual intent behind the literal meaning of words. How many "ragers" are actually smiling and simply playing the part of real ragers they have seen in the past? It is impossible for a non- rager to tell the difference.

[Joseph Mallan]

vandalhooch, on 17 April 2015 - 09:40 AM, said:

I wouldn't exactly describe 2001 as the "early days of the Internet." I joined my first forum in 1994 and even then there was already a diverse community of posters. Some forums were toxic, some were pseudo toxic (forerunner of 4chan), and some were mature.

I think the reported levels of toxicity online are subject to a great deal of observation bias. How much Facebook traffic would you consider to be toxic? Another factor is that text fails to give readers adequate context. Humans rely on visual and auditory cues in speech to discern actual intent behind the literal meaning of words. How many "ragers" are actually smiling and simply playing the part of real ragers they have seen in the past? It is impossible for a non- rager to tell the difference.

I was rolling around on AOL back then. I don't count that as a forum though. Chatroom but not forum.

[vandalhooch]

Darth Bane001, on 15 April 2015 - 02:15 PM, said:

I agree I feel socieity has gotten way too sensitive everyone wants to get someone in trouble for no reason other than it makes them feel special. Like for example facebook I cant post an opinion on something without someone trying to skin me alive over it my own relatives have been doing this to the point I finally decided to just black list them from my life since I realize just what kind of people they are when not putting on their mask during family reunions like holiday events. I realize just how bigoted and worthless they are as a member since for example one of them posted what color is anger too you? I made a stupid comment saying blue because guy with ********** is someone to be feared he will kill to get that *****. I apparantly opened a huge can of worms with 3 of the kids on one side the 17 year old telling me I'm disgusting, her sister trying to be my mom and putting me in my place and their brother telling me ever say anything like that again because she is 17 "which I forgot" will give me a black eye" All over a dirty joke thats been said forever now and in fact his response gives it some credit. Teenagers these days especially women have no...balls for anything anymore too coddled and protected from everything...**** I been looking at porn since I was 10 years old I've never had a sexual joke cause me any discomfort to the point I would treat them with hostile attitude.

Instead of being reasonable and going well it's not that big of a deal just dont post a dirty joke like that again they go on the attack against their own family member they turn into snarly dogs over nothing thats whats happening with society anymore you cant say anything someone else will be offended about even your own family wont have your back. My response was sorry about that but I'm not gonna be speaking to you guys again now that I know how little you really think about me. I've always been nice to these kids and now one stupid insensitive comment they show their true colors.

My point is just ignore them and move on. Hell troll them if they cant get over it go around in circles and do nothing for like half the match and then just quit out if after you actually tried to do well but had a bad round your aiming hand getting sore or something and just cant land those lucky shots then screw them. You likely paid money to play the game like most of us, your entitled to at least a few bad matches once in a while.

"The hypocrisy is strong with this one!"

[blood4blood]

This place got nothin' on the old alt.punk BBS circa '91-'92, never mind alt.troll and the like. Honestly, MWO's community is much nicer than most of the MMO communities I've seen, and even than MW4 was, probably because there is no real "ALL" or "WORLD" chat or lobby system in which the more aggressive trolls might ply their trade. Besides, a little eDrama now & then can keep things entertaining, as long as you don't take yourself too seriously.

[vandalhooch]

Joseph Mallan, on 17 April 2015 - 09:42 AM, said:

I was rolling around on AOL back then. I don't count that as a forum though. Chatroom but not forum.

I wasn't really trying to criticize just pointing out that forums (BBS's and Usenet) were around almost two decades before 2001.

[Novakaine]

Joseph Mallan, on 17 April 2015 - 06:33 AM, said:

Actually what's bold means I CAN say what I want when I want because as I am willing to accept the results.

One of the funniest things I learned in my Diversity Training at work is I have to accept everyone who who they are... Unless they are a bigot! Discrimination is discrimination. Just cause you wanna silence a jerk for being a jerk does not make you a better person than the jerk.

Oh yes it does.
And that's what wrong with diversity.
A jerk is a jerk.
They tried to make me take that stupidity at work.
I refused and threaten to drop some legal papers on them.
I'm black, my pastor is a old white guy, my best friend is Hispanic and my children's godparents are Korean.
Yeah my friend a jerk is a jerk and that's why this insanity continues.
Nobody wants to call the jerk - a jerk.

Edited by Novakaine, 18 April 2015 - 12:52 AM.

[Joseph Mallan]

Novakaine, on 18 April 2015 - 12:51 AM, said:

Oh yes it does.
And that's what wrong with diversity.
A jerk is a jerk.
They tried to make me take that stupidity at work.
I refused and threaten to drop some legal papers on them.
I'm black, my pastor is a old white guy, my best friend is Hispanic and my children's godparents are Korean.
Yeah my friend a jerk is a jerk and that's why this insanity continues.
Nobody wants to call the jerk - a jerk.

Wrong. I do it all the time.

vandalhooch, on 17 April 2015 - 09:58 AM, said:

I wasn't really trying to criticize just pointing out that forums (BBS's and Usenet) were around almost two decades before 2001.

I wasn't offended or think you were being critical, I was just defining my opinion on what a forum is to me.

[Novakaine]

Joseph Mallan, on 18 April 2015 - 03:00 AM, said:

Wrong. I do it all the time.


I wasn't offended or think you were being critical, I was just defining my opinion on what a forum is to me.

Apologies then good sir.

[Iskareot]

Fenrisulvyn, on 17 April 2015 - 09:15 AM, said:

" First issue you have -- YOU THINK I AM THERE TO TEACH PEOPLE HOW TO PLAY. '

No, you already said upthread that you think insulting them will make them better players, ie. that's your method of teaching. And when shown how stupid your approach is, you now pretend you aren't really trying to teach them anything.


"YOU ASSUME because it is a PUG it is "Ok to lose because that is how they go"... With that said.. sure there is a certain amount of expected fails... but there is no reason to be flat out stupid."

You know what else I'm going to assume? That you are making your own assumptions about how stupid the other players are. For example, 9 times out of 10, when I see some player whining about how they are being blocked? Its because they jumped inside a guy's firing lane and then backed up. You're that guy aren't you? Always complaining about stupid pilots without realizing you are the one doing The Stupid.

And to add.... assuming someone is bad.. is almost funny.. watching them do it is much easier in game.. based on fact. SOMEONE shooting me in the back for no reason at the start even when there is no mechs around is flat out BAD.. (NOTHING TO ASSUME) just ******* bad. i.e. alot of this... People running in circles in a corner of the map... alone.. -- nothing to assume... pretty easy to KNOW what is going on..


Nope Im the one calling out the idiot that ran off to the other side of the map in his medium mech that we could use with us... to die alone to the 3 that spotted him and killed him in 30 seconds.

I am the guy that tells people to stop shooting each other in the back no matter what....

I am the guy that says ok if they all went tunnel just back off let them come out one at a time so we can open fire on them each or focuse fire as then exit... (NOT all stand in the way go in the tunnel one at a time to get shot)... like most do.

I am the guy that tell people ok group up on skirmish as much as you can and help provide ecm cover then counter when you see a few for a second or two.. DONT SPREAD OUT LIKE MORONS to each corner of the map...

So while you may think I am the bad one... for calling people out... then I can live with that.. but I rather win and not make an excuse that because it is a pug drop that people are or should be bad. Sorry ... I hope people have a brain and can play decent.. call me wishful or hopeful. But stupid... far from it sport.

Edited by Iskareot, 20 April 2015 - 09:06 AM.