18 replies to this topic

[Knyx]

Anyone who knows that they are doing currently only packs the ECM prime left torso. So this is mainly a left torso suggestion to make the other Hellbringer left torsos just as useful.

HBR-A LT-

Add 1 more missile hardpoint.

Add quirks for SRM and S-SRM Range as well as reduced spread
(high range increase, moderate spread decrease)

HBR-B LT-

Add an additional energy Hardpoint.

Hardwire a Targeting Computer without increase tonnage. (basically a quirk that takes up a crit slot)
However this Hardwired TC would have effects like:
- Greatly Increase PPC velocity
- Greatly reduce beam duration
- moderately reduce energy weapon heat generation.

[Poisoner]

The ECM torso is still better. All my HBR run the exact same setup.

[AlmightyAeng]

Not taking the ECM prime torso on a Hellbringer is the equivalent of taking ANY Inner Sphere ECM mech and NOT putting ECM on it.

How often do you see that? And on the rare chance you do, how hard is that person ridiculed?

The Magic Jesus Box rules all.

Edited by Ghost Badger, 23 April 2015 - 05:47 AM.

[Karl Streiger]

stuff is even without ECM the Prime torso is the best choice by far.
So the quirks have to be something like turning 50% heat, speed, range quirks for Clan ERPPCs or - gattling 2km LRM quirks

look - i was able to place a post about ECM without rant.... - almost

ECM - ruining MWO since December 2012

[That Dawg]

there is only one heckbringer build, and it has ECM no matter what.
sell off the other torsos

I have two heckbringers, both ECM and both break the 1000 damage club every other week.

[Cyborne Elemental]

Hell bringer has other Left torso's ?
say what?

[El Bandito]

Knyx, on 23 April 2015 - 05:36 AM, said:

Anyone who knows that they are doing currently only packs the ECM prime left torso. So this is mainly a left torso suggestion to make the other Hellbringer left torsos just as useful.

HBR-B LT-

Add an additional energy Hardpoint.

Hardwire a Targeting Computer without increase tonnage. (basically a quirk that takes up a crit slot)
However this Hardwired TC would have effects like:
- Greatly Increase PPC velocity
- Greatly reduce beam duration
- moderately reduce energy weapon heat generation.

I disagree. We do not want to make quirks to become more convoluted than it already is. Fix the damn GECM and Clan ACs first.

[Ralgas]

Short of adding anything that is going to have the forums melting with cries of "op" it just isn't going to happen. Being mostly invisibe to enemy radar is just too good, even if it is getting harder to control with all the bap and probes loose in the pub queue.

[AlmightyAeng]

Create a map resplendent with electrical storms that cancel ALL ecm.

See what happens. PGI giggles.

Edited by Ghost Badger, 23 April 2015 - 07:15 AM.

[Throat Punch]

I have a Hellbringer without ECM. Thats right no ECM. Ridicule away. 2 LRM 20's with 8 tons of ammo and 3 ER medium lasers. I like the build. Its fun to play. I might not put out 1000 damage, but it does put out some hurt. I'll admit it helps that I drop with friend who do carry ECM most of the time though.

[C E Dwyer]

just why would you take anything other than ecm left torso, that torso is the difference between winning and losing, in many matches, its far more usefull than the d-dc, or lights with ECM in a team.

[Vxheous]

Mors Draco, on 23 April 2015 - 07:51 AM, said:

I have a Hellbringer without ECM. Thats right no ECM. Ridicule away. 2 LRM 20's with 8 tons of ammo and 3 ER medium lasers. I like the build. Its fun to play. I might not put out 1000 damage, but it does put out some hurt. I'll admit it helps that I drop with friend who do carry ECM most of the time though.

I think you might get mocked more for using 2 LRM 20's on a Hellbringer (or using LRM's in general) than the lack of ECM, but I digress.

[That Dawg]

Ghost Badger, on 23 April 2015 - 07:14 AM, said:

Create a map resplendent with electrical storms that cancel ALL ecm.

See what happens. PGI giggles.

well thankyou for derailing this thread

how AWESOME would that be?? Static electricity has been theorized on dozen planets with sand storms/gas clouds as they hit the star lit side from dark....hell yes.
I love my ecm but I support this idea for a map.dark map that suddenly lights up jumpscare style? oh HELL YES

[Kuritaclan]

Knyx, on 23 April 2015 - 05:36 AM, said:

...

actually i don't wanna see other torsos used on HBRs. When i see HBRs in the queue of CW i know we have 1 or 3 ecms for example. And than i'm fine with the first wave. I lulz on every HBR not bringing this sidetorso. Sure it reduces the diversity - but who wants diversity in a team asset mech, come on play a ego shooter not a teamgame or bring other mechs to the board, then i switch for the first wave to my Hellby to provide you with ecm.

End to make a point, since those are supposed to be omni mech. All STs should be capable to mount the cm not only one! The diffrent STs are only a workaround to not be true omni, but provide customization in boundary.

Edited by Kuritaclan, 23 April 2015 - 08:37 AM.

[Paigan]

The only reasonable thing to do is make other HBR Omnipods that can fit an ECM as well, with multiple ECMs per mech NOT stacking.

This has several advantages:
- other LTs become an option
- the ridiculous situation that almost ALL the HBRs equipment is tied to ONE component ends
- The HBR's LT is not automatically always the primary target because the enemy can't be sure where the ECM is located

I don't see any disadvantages or if there are any, they surely don't weigh heavier than the advantages.

[AlmightyAeng]

That Dawg, on 23 April 2015 - 08:25 AM, said:

well thankyou for derailing this thread

how AWESOME would that be?? Static electricity has been theorized on dozen planets with sand storms/gas clouds as they hit the star lit side from dark....hell yes.
I love my ecm but I support this idea for a map.dark map that suddenly lights up jumpscare style? oh HELL YES

Not TOTALLY derailed...such a map WOULD solve the problem of always taking ecm...for one map

How do we fix ECM? The same way we used to "fix" stuff in college. Light it on fire and throw it out a second-story window

Edited by Ghost Badger, 23 April 2015 - 09:16 AM.

[Mystere]

Ghost Badger, on 23 April 2015 - 07:14 AM, said:

Create a map resplendent with electrical storms that cancel ALL ecm.

See what happens. PGI giggles.

We need electronically-noisy urban maps, preferably looking similar to and as big as Macau or Manhattan Island, skyscrapers and all but badly shot up.

[Fate 6]

There are 2 reasons to use the HBR right now - high mounts and ECM. Both of that are found on the prime LT. Fit everything else there's the Timber Wolf

[Crotch RockIt]

Mors Draco, on 23 April 2015 - 07:51 AM, said:

I have a Hellbringer without ECM. Thats right no ECM. Ridicule away. 2 LRM 20's with 8 tons of ammo and 3 ER medium lasers. I like the build. Its fun to play. I might not put out 1000 damage, but it does put out some hurt. I'll admit it helps that I drop with friend who do carry ECM most of the time though.

But that makes no sense. You can run your LRM build and still keep the ECM...

http://mwo.smurfy-ne...31171cd4c8d65c1