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[darkkterror]

FupDup, on 27 April 2015 - 04:27 AM, said:

...Speaking of which, I really hate the paywall policy for content release. A lot of these issues would be avoided if they just had a highly inflated C-Bill cost or something instead of being literally premium-only. Perhaps give a bunch of preorder bonus bundle cosmetic/convenience items...but the paywall system just sucks.

I like this idea. It's like what Blizzard does with new heroes in Heroes of the Storm. A new hero's gold cost (the currency you get for free by playing the game) is higher than normal for the first two weeks then drops down to the normal maximum gold cost for a hero.

I think having a new item's C-bill cost be inflated for a short time following release would definitely be preferable to the current real-money-or-nothing approach.

[Almond Brown]

OP. Simply go to Smurfy's already. There you will find that a stripped down 75t Clan Mechs, with a 375XL (5 DHS) with FF and ES is very close in cost. Try it for yourself and give up eating the BS about P2W makeno that others are trying to feed you. Get self informed...


75t Orion-M = 18,299,183 (Engine, armor, ES and FF)
75t TimberWolf = 15,184,851 (Engine, armor, ES and FF)

Addition of weapons and modules are the players choice and they have to eat that cost. Base chassis, built with the same stuff prices out pretty damn close. (3Mill is not a large amount when all things are considered)

Edited by Almond Brown, 27 April 2015 - 08:12 AM.

[Vaderman]

I still like the argument put forth that "they're cheaper cause you can just use them as is".

Gave me a good laugh anyway.

[Mcgral18]

Fate 6, on 27 April 2015 - 07:19 AM, said:

If you think clan mechs need buffs to compete with IS mechs then you don't use IS mechs. Try piloting most IS heavies and assaults and you'll realize IS mechs are pretty garbage. There are basically 7 viable IS mechs and they are the ones that barely hold up against Clans.

So, the same amount the Clams will have after Wave III?

[Malcolm Vordermark]

When similarly equipped they cost about the same. The only notable difference coming from some IS mech builds using standard engines. Clan mechs are not pay to win because they initially cost more cbills to purchase because by the time you make your IS mech not garbage it will have cost you a similar amount.

They only Clan mechs that could be considered pay to win are those found in the upcoming wave 3 pack and those exclusive to the gift store.

[LORD TSARKON]

<--- Proud to say I have never spent Real money on Clan Mechs.. (besides the actual MechBay itself..which I got for 1/2 off sales)... ALL MY Clan mechs are C-Bills puchased only... and Stormcrows were 45 percent off when I purchased them and 1 DireWhale was on sale as well...

I have Currently 1 Kit Fox(ECM... did not really like it so I did not buy more)

3 Stormcrows
3 Timberwolves
2 Dire Whales.... Took me 2 months to save up for 2 Direwhales.... I"m space poor because of these Mechs (all have modules,weapons,ect)

[Burktross]

Xetelian, on 26 April 2015 - 11:36 PM, said:

IS stock mechs are cheaper than clan mechs however endo or ff and DHS make these prices a lot closer.


Nothing in this game is P2W, you get pay 2 play it early but it eventually comes out for Cbills so this is either a really bad troll or...nah just really bad troll.

Closer, but not exact unless you're rolling with XLs.

[Skarlock]

darkkterror, on 27 April 2015 - 07:42 AM, said:

I like this idea. It's like what Blizzard does with new heroes in Heroes of the Storm. A new hero's gold cost (the currency you get for free by playing the game) is higher than normal for the first two weeks then drops down to the normal maximum gold cost for a hero.

I think having a new item's C-bill cost be inflated for a short time following release would definitely be preferable to the current real-money-or-nothing approach.

I think if they didn't have some kind of major incentive for people to actually spend money on their game, they wouldn't make any money, and there wouldn't be a game, period.

[Xetelian]

I can't believe this has 3 pages of troll feeding.

[CDLord HHGD]

They never were P2W....

/thread

[LORD TSARKON]

cdlord, on 27 April 2015 - 11:24 AM, said:

They never were P2W....

/thread

This is not 100 percent true..... when the clans were released last Summer they were overpowered when compared to the Inner Sphere Mechs a bit.... especially the Timberwolf..... you could only get Clan mechs by spending lots of money. They were Pay to Win a bit easier...

Then slowly as PGI does.... they were nerfed and balanced.... that seems to be PGI's thing.... they will let you pay real money to be early adopters of overpowered mechs that will eventually be somewhat balanced.

I knew this was going to happen so I skipped MWO most of last summer because of it. It was nice..

[darkkterror]

Skarlock, on 27 April 2015 - 10:58 AM, said:

I think if they didn't have some kind of major incentive for people to actually spend money on their game, they wouldn't make any money, and there wouldn't be a game, period.

There's plenty of F2P games that don't temporarily paywall new content the way PGI does and they get along just fine.

[Water Bear]

Clans stopped being p2w as soon as they were released for c-bills.

Notice that balance changes such as the implementation of quirks came some time after clams were released for c-bills.

[Sader325]

Stefka Kerensky, on 27 April 2015 - 12:59 AM, said:

My thought, after 28 drops in Tukayyid, is that a lot of noobs chose to buy IS mechs, because they think those mechs are cheaper. So, a looot of noobs are in the IS factions.
I write this because I saw a lot of solo IS puggies without any clue about how to pilot, and with bad builds too.

Also, if the mayority of players have chose IS factions, maybe it's because Clan mechs aren't that OP.

I really wanted a maddog, but the cost was insane. I bought a Jenner first, and tried it out and really just couldnt make it work because the 10 mil I spent on it just never seemed like it was enough. I felt trapped in that Jenner and it sucked because I couldn't make any money with it.

So, I dropped $50 on the game and used the MC to purchase one maddog prime.

Now I own 3 more maddogs all purchased with C-Bills, a Nova, a Kitfox. I've also won a Stormcrow from the last event, and a Warhawk from this event.

Buying that Innersphere light was a terrible idea, and I really should have gone with my gut and spent my first newbie windfall on a Maddog prime.

That being said, since I bought that Maddog prime I've been having a lot of fun and now own FOUR maddogs to use in my CW dropdeck because I just love the maddog and I regularly pull between 1600 and 2900 damage a match.

I could have been one of the IS noobs because I thought a decent IS mech was a lot cheaper than they really are.

Edited by Sader325, 27 April 2015 - 01:01 PM.

[STEF_]

Sader325, on 27 April 2015 - 01:00 PM, said:

I really wanted a maddog, but the cost was insane. I bought a Jenner first, and tried it out and really just couldnt make it work because the 10 mil I spent on it just never seemed like it was enough. I felt trapped in that Jenner and it sucked because I couldn't make any money with it.

So, I dropped $50 on the game and used the MC to purchase one maddog prime.

Now I own 3 more maddogs all purchased with C-Bills, a Nova, a Kitfox. I've also won a Stormcrow from the last event, and a Warhawk from this event.

Buying that Innersphere light was a terrible idea, and I really should have gone with my gut and spent my first newbie windfall on a Maddog prime.

That being said, since I bought that Maddog prime I've been having a lot of fun and now own FOUR maddogs to use in my CW dropdeck because I just love the maddog and I regularly pull between 1600 and 2900 damage a match.

I could have been one of the IS noobs because I thought a decent IS mech was a lot cheaper than they really are.

Esactly my thought.

It's not that IS mech are worse or better than Clan ones, but who has just download the game, only looks at the prices of stock mechs and believe that it's cheaper to do a good IS build.

That's why, imo, most of newbies are in IS factions.

[Burktross]

Water Bear, on 27 April 2015 - 12:54 PM, said:

Clans stopped being p2w as soon as they were released for c-bills.

Notice that balance changes such as the implementation of quirks came some time after clams were released for c-bills.

You're right: they became simply OP
don't skewer me I'm joking i swear

Sader325, on 27 April 2015 - 01:00 PM, said:

I could have been one of the IS noobs because I thought a decent IS mech was a lot cheaper than they really are.

Well, IS mechs are only as expensive as their clannerscum counterparts if they require an XL. Mechs like the hunchy, are good with just DHS, and maybe an engine buff on the 4P.

[Serpieri]

Interesting Question - here's another - Were InnerSphere Mechs Pay 2 Win before Clans showed up?

[Mcgral18]

Serpieri, on 27 April 2015 - 04:07 PM, said:

Interesting Question - here's another - Were InnerSphere Mechs Pay 2 Win before Clans showed up?

Even moreso.

Of course times have changed, but Dragon Slayer, Misery and Ember were all contenders.

[HellJumper]

Serpieri, on 27 April 2015 - 04:07 PM, said:

Interesting Question - here's another - Were InnerSphere Mechs Pay 2 Win before Clans showed up?

some were... i remember when the misery came out..people were like omg.. AC-20 on a stalker... P2W...

or when boars head came out..that sheer speed and laser vomit made it p2w imo

[Col Jaime Wolf]

clan mechs are actually just fine. its clan weapons that are borked.

aside from a few items that are just better (gauss, Streaks, DHS, ECM/BAP, lasers....kinda) most clan weapons are inferior to IS variants even with the smaller size and weight because of draconian ghost heat limitations.

nopva still cries in the corner.