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[Hit the Deck]

When in doubt, I just put a bunch of them for teh WIN!

SCR-B: You can't run!

SCR-C: Pew and bang.

TBR-PRIME: How Clan makes the Catapult.

TBR-C: In your face!

Shieeet, I just noticed that three of 'em have Assault-level firepower! Clan OP plz nerf!

I also heard that it saved the Gargoyle, what a sweetie!




Disclaimer: all of the builds are for non-CW solo play only.

[XphR]

I like them for the colour...

[Corrado]

http://mwo.smurfy-ne...78ba771664702e8

me too.

Edited by Corrado, 27 April 2015 - 02:53 AM.

[Navid A1]

[Cyborne Elemental]

Compared to ERML, the heat and dps is pretty nice for an IS-ML equivalent.

C-SPL are beastly though, I like them both, they're good backup weapons.

Using only SL or SPL as your primary though.. thats hard to do most of the time.

[FupDup]

I personally think that the IS SL should compare to the IS ML in the same way that the CERSL currently compares to the CERML. Then people might actually, like, use them once in a while.

Right now, you sacrifice half of your range in exchange for just a teeny weeny little bit more damage (6 vs 5)...it's almost never worth it. The ML isn't heavily disadvantaged against the SL in close combat, only slightly disadvantaged...while still having double range.

And the sad thing is, if you want a shorter ranged low-tonnage energy choice for the IS, you can just use the now very viable and effective IS SPL.


If a gun is restricted to very short range, it should massively higher damage per tonnage efficiency, just like how the CERSL compares to the CERML.

Edited by FupDup, 27 April 2015 - 04:29 AM.

[Hit the Deck]

Mister D, on 27 April 2015 - 03:48 AM, said:

Compared to ERML, the heat and dps is pretty nice for an IS-ML equivalent.

C-SPL are beastly though, I like them both, they're good backup weapons.

Using only SL or SPL as your primary though.. thats hard to do most of the time.

That's why I put them on fast mechs like Crows and Timbers and I can use it as my "primary"!

I think I can only mount cSPL on Timbers because it's twice as heavy as cERSL wihout offering any significant advantage.

[Fate 6]

CERSL is beastly on the Gargles with the new RA pod

[Screech]

Wonder if they will try to nerf clan lasers some more because of this post. I say it is an even money bet.

[process]

Clan small lasers are highly underutilized. The damage to weight/heat/duration/alpha is nuts.

For CW, I run 4 ER small lasers and 4 SSRM-6 on my anti-light Stormcrow, and I run small pulse lasers + ASRM-6 on another two of my drop deck. It's too bad PGI doesn't track CW mech performance, but I'd bet I earn more kill with these configurations than I do with my standard laser vomit builds.

Edited by process, 27 April 2015 - 07:53 AM.

[Ultimax]

Hit the Deck, on 27 April 2015 - 04:25 AM, said:

I think I can only mount cSPL on Timbers because it's twice as heavy as cERSL wihout offering any significant advantage.

The significant advantage is more damage for the same heat in a shorter burn time (more focused damage) at the cost of range and tonnage.


1 CERSLAS = 3 Heat / 5 Damage ( 0.5 Tons)

1 CSPL = 3 Heat / 6 Damage (1 Ton)


6 CERSLAS = 18 Heat / 30 Damage (3 Tons)

5 CSPL = 15 Heat / 30 Damage (5 Tons)




As you can see it's not clearly "double" the weight, because once you get to 6 CERSLAS you only need 5 CSPLs to do the same damage.


To take that further still, you only need 15 heat to do that 30 damage, as opposed to 18 heat - so you actually need less cooling as well, which is mostly likely what you would have spent those extra 2 tons on anyway (not that 18 heat is all that much to worry about).



I think once you get into very large numbers of these for mechs that have tonnage limits like Gargoyles and Novas that you can flip it and make a strong case for CERSLAS, but I don't think it's clear cut as to which one is outright "the best".

Edited by Ultimatum X, 27 April 2015 - 09:13 AM.

[RockmachinE]

Two things about small lasers.

Range. The short range really limits what you can do with this.

They're just not viable, I've literally yet to get killed by something mounting small lasers other then a firestarter, I'm not exaggerating and people try, I've met a few Novas and similar, never works, they always get the short end.

To put it more bluntly if they were as useful, more people would be using them, they would become meta. They are not.

Edited by Louis Brofist, 27 April 2015 - 09:27 AM.

[kapusta11]

Louis Brofist, on 27 April 2015 - 09:25 AM, said:

Two things about small lasers.

Range. The short range really limits what you can do with this.

They're just not viable, I've literally yet to get killed by something mounting small lasers other then a firestarter, I'm not exaggerating and people try, I've met a few Novas and similar, never works, they always get the short end.

To put it more bluntly if they were as useful, more people would be using them, they would become meta. They are not.

Just wait for Arctic Cheetah.

[Revis Volek]

Fate 6, on 27 April 2015 - 07:23 AM, said:

CERSL is beastly on the Gargles with the new RA pod

I like having 7 ERSML and 2 UAC5 on my HBR....he likes to kill stuff in close.

[Hit the Deck]

Ultimatum X, on 27 April 2015 - 09:12 AM, said:

The significant advantage is more damage for the same heat in a shorter burn time (more focused damage) at the cost of range and tonnage.


1 CERSLAS = 3 Heat / 5 Damage ( 0.5 Tons)

1 CSPL = 3 Heat / 6 Damage (1 Ton)


6 CERSLAS = 18 Heat / 30 Damage (3 Tons)

5 CSPL = 15 Heat / 30 Damage (5 Tons)




As you can see it's not clearly "double" the weight, because once you get to 6 CERSLAS you only need 5 CSPLs to do the same damage.


To take that further still, you only need 15 heat to do that 30 damage, as opposed to 18 heat - so you actually need less cooling as well, which is mostly likely what you would have spent those extra 2 tons on anyway (not that 18 heat is all that much to worry about).

I think once you get into very large numbers of these for mechs that have tonnage limits like Gargoyles and Novas that you can flip it and make a strong case for CERSLAS, but I don't think it's clear cut as to which one is outright "the best".

Two tons of difference seems to be not that much but it's actually 40% of 5 tons which is a lot! One just needs to look at the damage per ton of each (cERSL = 10 damage/ton, cSPL = 6 damage/ton) and it's clear what to choose when you are tight on pod space.

cSPL advantage is exactly like what you said, which is its shorter burn time, but only when one can afford the drawbacks (greater weight and shorter range). Because DPS is what makes cSPL superior to cERSL, I only consider to mount them when I can mount the same number of them like I can mount cERSL (6 cSPL or 6 cERSL for example).

Louis Brofist, on 27 April 2015 - 09:25 AM, said:

Two things about small lasers.

Range. The short range really limits what you can do with this.

They're just not viable, I've literally yet to get killed by something mounting small lasers other then a firestarter, I'm not exaggerating and people try, I've met a few Novas and similar, never works, they always get the short end.

To put it more bluntly if they were as useful, more people would be using them, they would become meta. They are not.

I find that they are especially suitable for close ranged builds or hybrid LRM boat. I think those two aren't what competitive players usually use. But what do I know? Stormcrows can use them particularly well because of their speed.

BTW there a several occassions when cERSL really shines like, when you want to put backup weapons for your LRM boat. For 3 tons, your boat suddenly can put 30 damage to an enemy at 200m every 2.25s for 18 heat! Your boat can now almost brawl!

[Xetelian]

I run 6 ERSmalls on my DWFs and 4 on my TBRs.

[ShadeofHades]

I love my ERSLs too. 6/6 ERML/ERSL Nova, Gauss/ERLL/6ERSL HBR, and a LPL/6ERSL/SRM24 TBR...all among my favorite mechs. All of them over a 1.5 KDR (2.4 on the HBR) and rarely if ever changed configs, so definitely not bad (if not competitive) considering I'm not that hot a pilot.

[Paigan]

Half a ton or even 1.5 tons free, max leg armor, no lower arm actuator, sucky LRM-20s (slots are CRUCIAL on the TBR)...
My Timber Wolf just cried looking his brother's fate...

[Senor Cataclysmo]

The 3 mechs Im most enjoying at the moment are a Hellbringer with 7 small pulse & 2 SRM6, a DWF with 4 LB10s& 8 ERsmalls (80 pt alpha!) and a mad dog with 6 SRM4 and 5 ERsmall.

Its a great weapon if you can get close enough to use it.

[Hit the Deck]

Paigan, on 27 April 2015 - 10:22 PM, said:

Half a ton or even 1.5 tons free, max leg armor, no lower arm actuator, sucky LRM-20s (slots are CRUCIAL on the TBR)...
My Timber Wolf just cried looking his brother's fate...

Hey, I just cobbled up together the one with SRMs but the LRM-boat one is legit and has no need for lower arm actuator!

Spoiler

That TBR-C was using the LRM-boat config and of course I handpick the battle results from Tourmaline and Caustic Terra Therma!

Edited by Hit the Deck, 27 April 2015 - 11:38 PM.