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[XXXBunnyXXX]

yea i just made a new account played a couple of battles and i can definitely see that this game doesnt use elo


have seen alot of preaty competitive builds that noobs definitely wuldnt build

[Ragtag soldier]

it uses ELO.....according to the staff. of course, since the main determining factor is apparently your W/L ratio, which is often decided by the stupidest part of your team in this game, it's lacking in effectiveness.

[Mcgral18]

And I see builds that are only suitable for joke builds; Elo has a very wide range.


It builds the team for an average Elo matching the two teams, not individual players. Some issues can arise from that.

Edited by Mcgral18, 07 May 2015 - 09:53 AM.

[Phashe]

Daily ELO complaint thread!

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[XXXBunnyXXX]

Mcgral18, on 07 May 2015 - 09:53 AM, said:

And I see builds that are only suitable for joke builds; Elo has a very wide range.


It builds the team for an average Elo matching the two teams, not individual players. Some issues can arise from that.

what range the playerbase is so small that ELO has barely any effect

Edited by XXXBunnyXXX, 07 May 2015 - 09:59 AM.

[Mcgral18]

XXXBunnyXXX, on 07 May 2015 - 09:58 AM, said:

what range the playerbase is so small that ELO has barely any effect

Was it 1000, or 1400?

On a scale of 2800, that's a lot of wiggle room.

[Roadkill]

Fun fact: brand new players are given average Elo ratings. That's how Elo ratings work. 50 games later, they'll have either risen or dropped to a more appropriate rating.

So if you're an average player, you're going to see a lot of new players in your matches.

[XXXBunnyXXX]

Mcgral18, on 07 May 2015 - 10:00 AM, said:

Was it 1000, or 1400?

On a scale of 2800, that's a lot of wiggle room.

if that was the amount play players PLAYING ... i wuldnt see the same people over and over and over again

Roadkill, on 07 May 2015 - 10:01 AM, said:

Fun fact: brand new players are given average Elo ratings. That's how Elo ratings work. 50 games later, they'll have either risen or dropped to a more appropriate rating.

So if you're an average player, you're going to see a lot of new players in your matches.

the prob is that i dont see alot of new players

[Mcgral18]

XXXBunnyXXX, on 07 May 2015 - 10:08 AM, said:

if that was the amount play players PLAYING ... i wuldnt see the same people over and over and over again

No, it's the maximum Elo range the MM is supposed to drag, from the highest to lowest player.

I think 1400 was the old starting Elo (or you went there after 25 matches) and 1000 was the range....maybe.


The info is old. Probably not accurate any more.

[Mawai]

XXXBunnyXXX, on 07 May 2015 - 09:49 AM, said:

yea i just made a new account played a couple of battles and i can definitely see that this game doesnt use elo


have seen alot of preaty competitive builds that noobs definitely wuldnt build

How strange ... what makes you say that?

You do know that the initial player Elo is set to the average of the distribution right? I believe that for the first few games there may be a modifier applied to move the new player to a lower Elo bracket but I don't have a reference for that and it may not be correct.

Anyway, since new players start near the middle it is NOT SURPRISING at all to find folks with competitive builds ... you are not just playing against newbies ... there is no segregation of new players and old ones ... all you are seeing is that the initial player Elo starts somewhere near the middle of the distribution.

[XXXBunnyXXX]

Mawai, on 07 May 2015 - 10:12 AM, said:

How strange ... what makes you say that?

You do know that the initial player Elo is set to the average of the distribution right? I believe that for the first few games there may be a modifier applied to move the new player to a lower Elo bracket but I don't have a reference for that and it may not be correct.

Anyway, since new players start near the middle it is NOT SURPRISING at all to find folks with competitive builds ... you are not just playing against newbies ... there is no segregation of new players and old ones ... all you are seeing is that the initial player Elo starts somewhere near the middle of the distribution.

i just dont think elo is really effecting the mm..i have my main account in a so called high elo and most of my team doesnt even do 400+ dmg

[Mystere]

XXXBunnyXXX, on 07 May 2015 - 10:17 AM, said:

i just dont think elo is really effecting the mm..i have my main account in a so called high elo and most of my team doesnt even do 400+ dmg

What made you so sure you are even in a high Elo?

[XXXBunnyXXX]

Mystere, on 07 May 2015 - 10:28 AM, said:

What made you so sure you are even in a high Elo?

sean / and that russian dude ... phyto on something like that ... i even see them on this account with not so good stats... i have a 2.5 k/d ratio

Edited by XXXBunnyXXX, 07 May 2015 - 10:32 AM.

[Joseph Mallan]

XXXBunnyXXX, on 07 May 2015 - 09:49 AM, said:

yea i just made a new account played a couple of battles and i can definitely see that this game doesnt use elo


have seen alot of preaty competitive builds that noobs definitely wuldnt build

Competitive builds are not rated by Elo... The Pilot is. I can drive the most OP Build and completely suck in it. Guess where I'm going to be by Elo???

[Thorqemada]

I have destroyed 6 Mechs (+ assisted in 4 kills) doing ~290 damage in a Vindicator (ERLL, 4xMPL, ASRM6, ~85kph (Std Engine), 3xJJ, 250 Armor) - if you can aim (and the server let you hit were you aim) it does not need so much damage.

Most matches recently be often pretty close while the skillgap inside a Team can be petty huge and you go from Allstar-PUGs where the enemies get slaughtered so hard you inside your slow Mech allways arrive to stomp on dead corpses ending with 50 damage to Carry-Harder-PUGs where you kill 4, 5, 6 enemies doing 500 to 700 damage and in the end the PUG throws it still away.

Working as intended!



PS: And by Dear God or Dear Coordinator - the Vindicator without Elites at <80kph sucks so hard it is pretty much a "Drive Off New Players" experience like most un-Elited Mechs.
It is smply not any fun to pilot a Mech where you be nothing but Target-Meat and b4 PGI goes to Steam this needs to be adressed High Priority - the Level-Up experience for Mechs is SUPER HORRIBLE!!!

Edited by Thorqemada, 07 May 2015 - 07:16 PM.

[Intrepid]

How quaint - yet another BS thread by someone who does not understand ELO

At least we know how Bunny got his Death Star.

[Ghogiel]

Mcgral18, on 07 May 2015 - 10:00 AM, said:

Was it 1000, or 1400?

On a scale of 2800, that's a lot of wiggle room.

I *think* they put it back down to the 1000 range. What no one seems to know is if that is 1000 from the matches target Elo...

Just think that if the MM picks somone with 1400 and the range is 1000, people from 400 to 2400 could be in the same match. :/

Hopefully that is the max range for a given match.. not from target

XXXBunnyXXX, on 07 May 2015 - 10:31 AM, said:

i have a 2.5 k/d ratio

KDR is nothing to do with Elo adjustment. Only w/l.

Mawai, on 07 May 2015 - 10:12 AM, said:

You do know that the initial player Elo is set to the average of the distribution right? I believe that for the first few games there may be a modifier applied to move the new player to a lower Elo bracket but I don't have a reference for that and it may not be correct.

That is correct, not sure of the exact number, but players still on the cadet bonus have a modifier of like -300 iirc.

Edited by Ghogiel, 07 May 2015 - 12:41 PM.

[Jman5]

Elo definitely exists. Spend some time solo dropping in community warfare and you'll see a whole new world of bad.

[Kristov Kerensky]

A brand new player can easily be driving around in a top metabuild, since you can find those on these forums, which proves a couple of things..

1) you have no idea how Elo works

and

2) you have no idea how the internet works

[Theodore42]

Jman5, on 07 May 2015 - 02:16 PM, said:

Elo definitely exists. Spend some time solo dropping in community warfare and you'll see a whole new world of bad.

So that's why I did so well during the Battle of Tukyyid. I thought it was skill