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[Thunder Child]

ShinVector, on 14 May 2015 - 06:00 PM, said:

Now thats said... Who the hell would want to run the Locust 1V in the tourny ???
MWO's worst mech ever...

Well, it's either the Stock 1V, or the 400XL Battlemaster. I never got the hang of the Shadowhawk, and all my Thunderbolts are kitted for Meta-Quirks.

As to the whole yes or no, I'm undecided at this point. Because as has been pointed out, the other packages are still just as available as they have ever been, unique geometry and all. So, if it just joined the list, then oh well. On the other hand, it WAS (at the time) a Unique and Limited Edition offer, and the fact that we bought it under that premise, does hurt that they are now re-offering it. Especially considering the Phoenix Variants aren't even all that great, compared to the rest of the available variants. Yes, I know it's not the FOUNDERS pack, but the idea behind it at the time was that it was a Special Offer for Supporters of the game, despite the state things were in.

I don't know, maybe I'm just associating more value to it, because it was the first big pack after Founders. And having played WoW for a while, and missing some of the Limited Offers (the Arcanite Ripper, for example), having limited edition Content DOES add value to it. There is nothing like turning up in a match and having something cool and unique, even if it is just for show. That said, none of the following packs have shown any such exclusivity, so, meh.

Edit: Also, WTB Founders Geometry Mechs. Not the Pack, just the Geometry.

Edited by Thunder Child, 14 May 2015 - 07:29 PM.

[Lordred]

I am fine with Phoenix pack going up for sale again.

If people want to give money to PGI, let them. I fail to see how I should be offended. They are not saying "We are re-releasing these limited mechs" They are asking us if we are cool with it or not.


I am cool with it.

[Lyoto Machida]

Domenoth, on 14 May 2015 - 07:08 PM, said:

I'm not a f2p analyst, but I'm pretty sure there's a correlation between buying things and sticking around. Sure they might not leave because they weren't allowed to buy a Phoenix Pack, but allow some time to elapse and now they aren't tied as strongly to the game because they didn't invest when they otherwise wanted to.

Edit:
So yeah, I guess what I'm saying is I think you misunderstood what I meant by keep players playing. I don't mean today, I mean perpetually.

I hear you but really? There's a significant portion of people out there waiting for the Phoenix pack? I mean...they can buy those mechs with c-bills nowadays, so I'm not seeing the issue with not re-releasing for those folks.

Sure, you may lose some people because they weren't allowed to invest in a re-release of that pack but it's not like the mechs are unavailable to them via other means (free ones, even!). There's really no way to know how many people you'd lose by not allowing them to buy the pack but I'm guessing (opinion) that you'd lose more future money spent by going back on your (PGI's) word about exclusive content never being offered up again for purchase than from the people leaving because they couldn't buy Phoenix.

[Dermot Von Jankmon]

Domenoth, on 14 May 2015 - 06:55 PM, said:

Just wanted to point out that the best way to influence people might not be to insult them. I think it could actually have quite the opposite effect...

Guess what? I dont care about other peoples feelings cause I wont tip toe around trying to make everyone happy. Besides just look at the forums, its fact most of the forums is people whining at PGI for this or that. Or IS crying that Clans are OP or Clans Whining that IS is OP (Yeah, i actually have seen this)

[Thunder Child]

But Clans are OP, if you're facing a Twolf, Scrow, or Helby. And IS is OP, if you're in a NOT Twolf, Scrow, or Helby (and doubly so if you are against anything quirked to Godliness. That said, love mah Quirked HBK-4G. I'd take that over any Clan mech, any day, in Pug queue).

[Soul Tribunal]

I would personally be okay if they did a Phoenix 2 Pack versus this.

Pick 4 different Chassis and make them (P) variants.
Say, Raven/Blackjack/Dragon/Banshee.

That way you don't step on toes, and thus allow people to have some cool variants of mechs they like.

As much as I'd like a Founders pack or Phoenix one because I wasn't able to get it myself at the time, I would rather you guys keep what you have and get a second iteration of it.

-ST

[The Boneshaman]

I'll only vote yes if
1. the phoenix Re-release adds 3 new colors.
2. adds a new camo the original owners of the phoenix gets 2 camo for (P) mechs
3. adds a warhorn to the phoenix package.

[Dermot Von Jankmon]

Thunder Child, on 14 May 2015 - 07:37 PM, said:

But Clans are OP, if you're facing a Twolf, Scrow, or Helby. And IS is OP, if you're in a NOT Twolf, Scrow, or Helby (and doubly so if you are against anything quirked to Godliness. That said, love mah Quirked HBK-4G. I'd take that over any Clan mech, any day, in Pug queue).

But that is the point, both sides have Meta or "OP" Mechs whining does nothing and thats what I see in this post. More whining. Any ways I'm done with this thread. Its time for sleep...

[Domenoth]

Lyoto Machida, on 14 May 2015 - 07:27 PM, said:

I hear you but really? There's a significant portion of people out there waiting for the Phoenix pack?

I have no idea. I know it was big enough that PGI feels the need to start a poll about it...

Lyoto Machida, on 14 May 2015 - 07:27 PM, said:

...I'm guessing (opinion) that you'd lose more future money spent by going back on your (PGI's) word about exclusive content never being offered up again for purchase than from the people leaving because they couldn't buy Phoenix.

And that's the beauty of this poll. PGI probably has a good estimate of how many additional Phoenix Packs they might sell and now they're going to have a pretty good idea how many people would be pissed off if they do it.

As you said, you think more of them would be pissed off (opinion). I don't really have an opinion either way (more sales or more pissed) but I do know that I don't care. I also realize I might be in the minority.

But I'll know in a few days after the poll closes...

Edit:
I'm just really confused by the reaction we're getting to the announcement of a poll. I'd understand this reaction if they went full dictator and announced the re-release whether we like it or not (IGP would have done this!). They're asking us if it's okay. Why get angry when one of the valid responses is going to be no?

P.S.
Feel free to rage if "no" is conveniently left off the ballot, but please wait until then!

Edited by Domenoth, 14 May 2015 - 07:57 PM.

[Clownwarlord]

The package was sold a lot longer than a few months ... it went for sale in July that year and was still up for sale till half way through December. The reason why was because they wanted to tie in the Phoenix reinforcements (Griffon and Wolverine) which then was give out the next year, and so to say it was only for sale for a couple of months is like saying the Titanic was a small ship.

Then in that January still before PGI and IGP did anything they started to sell the first Clan Package which was for sale the same amount of time up till July when they started releasing those mechs.

Again I am still voting yes but just don't give me excuses like this for some one not purchasing it earlier.

Edited by clownwarlord, 14 May 2015 - 08:10 PM.

[ShadowbaneX]

So pretty much what happened is a bunch of people started saying "I'm throwing my wallet at the screen, but nothing's happening" and then PGI were all like, "look, dudes, we said we wouldn't sell these things, so there's not much we can do about it." This made these people start yelling "shut up and take my money!"

So now PGI's going, "look, dudes, we know what we said, but we got a bunch of people throwing wallets and money at us and it's getting kinda annoying. Up here in Canada we got a lot of coins and with the way these guys are throwing things, people are getting hurt. Is it ok with you dudes if we let people buy this stuff?"

I'm ok with the full packages going on sale. That said, as someone suggested above, would those that are naysayers, be ok with just the Phoenix variants on sale? I mean specifically the LCT-1V(P), SHD-2H(P), etc. Just those six mechs. The forum titles, premium time, medallions and all the other stuff would not be available. That way people can get access to the mechs if they want them, but those that want exclusive stuff get to hold on to some of that, and PGI gets money (and we live in a capitalist society...asking a company to not make money is...sacrilegious),

Is that an acceptable middle ground?

[Alistair Winter]

Basically no personal incentive for me to get involved. The LP bonus is the most worthless reward I can think of. I'd almost prefer a Hula girl. This event is totally meaningless for me.

Except...

... after reading this thread, I'm once again really disappointed by all the people who want to rob other players of the ability to purchase mechs, just because it makes them feel more special. As if it matters at all. As if, in the greater scheme of things, it robs them of pleasure to make their own beautiful mechs available to others. As if sharing somehow deprives them of joy, instead of being a source of joy.

Personally, I don't see why anyone would want the Phoenix mechs at this point, except for the few people who are either completionists or who love the Phoenix mechs for aesthetical reasons. And now we're going to refuse them the mechs, because of "the principle"? We've had those unique mechs for, what, two years now? Who cares, at this point. Let our fellow mech lovers have their mechs.

To any non-Phoenix players who are looking forward to buying those mechs, for whatever weird personal reasons you may have... I'm voting YES for you. I'm happy to share, and I can't imagine any good reason it should be otherwise. I hope you get them, and I hope you enjoy them. Thanks for supporting the game!

Just don't come knocking on my door when you're trying to level that Locust 1V(P) with custom geometry that takes up half your field of vision

[Domenoth]

Alistair Winter, on 14 May 2015 - 08:03 PM, said:

Just don't come knocking on my door when you're trying to level that Locust 1V(P) with custom geometry that takes up half your field of vision

That's a feature. It's there so you don't have to see just how badly your match is going.

[Mad Strike]

Make Phoenix avaible again? YES , definetly since it was the best pack deal ever on this game.

[Lyoto Machida]

Alistair Winter, on 14 May 2015 - 08:03 PM, said:

Basically no personal incentive for me to get involved. The LP bonus is the most worthless reward I can think of. I'd almost prefer a Hula girl. This event is totally meaningless for me.

Except...

... after reading this thread, I'm once again really disappointed by all the people who want to rob other players of the ability to purchase mechs, just because it makes them feel more special. As if it matters at all. As if, in the greater scheme of things, it robs them of pleasure to make their own beautiful mechs available to others. As if sharing somehow deprives them of joy, instead of being a source of joy.

Personally, I don't see why anyone would want the Phoenix mechs at this point, except for the few people who are either completionists or who love the Phoenix mechs for aesthetical reasons. And now we're going to refuse them the mechs, because of "the principle"? We've had those unique mechs for, what, two years now? Who cares, at this point. Let our fellow mech lovers have their mechs.

To any non-Phoenix players who are looking forward to buying those mechs, for whatever weird personal reasons you may have... I'm voting YES for you. I'm happy to share, and I can't imagine any good reason it should be otherwise. I hope you get them, and I hope you enjoy them. Thanks for supporting the game!

Just don't come knocking on my door when you're trying to level that Locust 1V(P) with custom geometry that takes up half your field of vision

Wait...maybe I'm looking at this whole thing wrong, as I have the Phoenix mechs and have never bothered to look for them in game as a purchase option.

Are they not able to be purchased for C-bills or MC? Is it not possible to buy a BLR-1G these days?

[Lucity]

Phoenix was advertised as a limited time offer, voting no.

If we want more mechs with loyalty bonuses, why don't we press PGI to make another package with different mechs that would have those bonuses?

[Clownwarlord]

strikebrch, on 14 May 2015 - 08:10 PM, said:

Make Phoenix avaible again? YES , definetly since it was the best pack deal ever on this game.

Actually the best game package ever was the Clan Invasion biggest package.

[Domenoth]

Lucity, on 14 May 2015 - 08:11 PM, said:

If we want more mechs with loyalty bonuses, why don't we press PGI to make another package with different mechs that would have those bonuses?

To that I would say this:

PGI is going to do that anyway. That's how they get their money.

Voting no in this poll is going to have zero effect on something like that. The only result a no vote is going to have is that people who have asked for a Phoenix Pack because they couldn't buy one back when they were available still won't get one.

New Mech production continues at the speed it already is...

Edited by Domenoth, 14 May 2015 - 08:19 PM.

[Clownwarlord]

Lucity, on 14 May 2015 - 08:11 PM, said:

Phoenix was advertised as a limited time offer, voting no.

If we want more mechs with loyalty bonuses, why don't we press PGI to make another package with different mechs that would have those bonuses?

Or they could sell the medallions for MC that give you a loyalty point bonus.

[Alistair Winter]

Lyoto Machida, on 14 May 2015 - 08:11 PM, said:

Wait...maybe I'm looking at this whole thing wrong, as I have the Phoenix mechs and have never bothered to look for them in game as a purchase option.

Are they not able to be purchased for C-bills or MC? Is it not possible to buy a BLR-1G these days?

Not the (P) versions with custom geometry and C-bill bonus. So if you want the BLR-1G with the beefy shoulderpads, you're out of luck unless you're a Phoenix owner.

My Griffin 1N(P) has both custom geometry and a 30% C-bill bonus, which comes in handy since it's one of my favourite mechs. I've clocked in almost 200 matches in it.