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[Devilsfury]

So..... I was just thinking about this Founders Mech thing that is going on now and had some thoughts. In comparison to just about every single mech in their own weight classes, Founders Mech are just about worthless. I know, I know....a few of you are mech Gods and put up 1000000 damage in them. In general, they all pretty much such. The (F) Hunchy got some good AC20 quirks but what about the rest? Why not do a revamp or add a major querk upgrade for the Founders Mechs? The Founders supported this game for nearly 3 years and a lot of us are still around and playing strong. Why not throw us a bone? Im not saying make them crazy overpowered or anything but make them viable!! For the guys that have been around as long as me can agree that they are just terrible mechs and need some love. So what about it PGI? Some loving for the Founders Mechs??

[bad arcade kitty]

^ yet another ask for quirks for the god of quirks

is mechs are not quirked enough they need more quirks! quirks! quirks!

[Devilsfury]

So please tell me bad arcade kitty. Which founders mechs are viable in either game mode of Mechwarrior? Pick one and ill bring anything in the same weight class and absoultely destroy you with ease. So yes, they need some loving.

[bad arcade kitty]

so, why don't you ask to nerf firestarter and thunderbolt

[Devilsfury]

What is this thread about? Yeah, no mention of those mechs. Stop trolling and add something of substance.

[luxebo]

Devilsfury, on 09 May 2015 - 03:21 PM, said:

What is this thread about? Yeah, no mention of those mechs. Stop trolling and add something of substance.

Jenner D needs armor quirks on it's USS Enterprise CT. Nevertheless I like it.

Catapult has same issues + it has bad scaling.

Hunchback is fine, though it's much of a glass cannon due to being 50 tons and how good other meds are (Griffin Wolverine Stormcrow).

Atlas D has Atlas issues and too little hardpoints. All Atlases need some sorta hardpoint buff except DDC and S variants. Especially K is suffering, but D, BH, and RS need more in em.
I would say D should get an extra ballistic that is scaled high too so more people can poke with it a little.
K should get two more missile hardpoints. Maybe quirked AMS and more engine power. +quirks.
RS should get one more missile hardpoint and more engine power. +quirks.

I dunno otherwise; wrote a huge chunk somewhere where Bishop Steiner argued for armor quirks, but the problem is that Dwfs can alpha kill an Atlas in 2-3 shots, one to core, one to finish due to 90 alpha with laser + gauss vomit.

Edited by luxebo, 09 May 2015 - 03:36 PM.

[EgoSlayer]

Devilsfury, on 09 May 2015 - 03:21 PM, said:

What is this thread about? Yeah, no mention of those mechs. Stop trolling and add something of substance.

There is nothing special about the founders mechs, and they shouldn't be quirked/over quirked just because they are founders mechs. They should be treated like any other - if they are 'Tier 5' they should be boosted, if they are 'Tier 1' they should be left alone.

[luxebo]

EgoSlayer, on 09 May 2015 - 03:35 PM, said:

There is nothing special about the founders mechs, and they shouldn't be quirked/over quirked just because they are founders mechs. They should be treated like any other - if they are 'Tier 5' they should be boosted, if they are 'Tier 1' they should be left alone.

They are closing in onto Tier 5.

We're not buffing due to being Founder's, we're buffing because they have problems.

Only the HBK-4G is sufficient in Tier 3-2 but otherwise the rest are low Tier 4 maybe 5.

Edited by luxebo, 09 May 2015 - 03:38 PM.

[Devilsfury]

EgoSlayer, on 09 May 2015 - 03:35 PM, said:

There is nothing special about the founders mechs, and they shouldn't be quirked/over quirked just because they are founders mechs. They should be treated like any other - if they are 'Tier 5' they should be boosted, if they are 'Tier 1' they should be left alone.

That does make sense if they are tier 5. Was thinking that the literally haven't been relevant in a few years that it would be a nice bone for us founders!

[One Medic Army]

bad arcade kitty, on 09 May 2015 - 03:20 PM, said:

so, why don't you ask to nerf firestarter and thunderbolt

Because neither of those fixes the Jenner's CT being a deathtrap?

Quiet your agenda, clanner.

[HellAvenger]

Atlas do need more buff.

[Eboli]

I think things have gone a little bit too far and if PGI was to fix the hitboxes on certain mechs then maybe some areas of quirking can be re-examined.

Anyhow, my nonmastered Atlas has been doing quite well in PUGland.

Cheers
Eboli

Edited by Eboli, 09 May 2015 - 04:00 PM.

[luxebo]

bad arcade kitty, on 09 May 2015 - 03:20 PM, said:

so, why don't you ask to nerf firestarter and thunderbolt

Then don't ask anyone to buff Mr. Gargles, Myth Lynx, and Cute Fox.

"Because We should just nerf the Stormcrow and Timber Wolf".

[Insects]

Hunchbacks are ok but the others could use some armor buffs.

[Eboli]

joelmuzz, on 09 May 2015 - 04:08 PM, said:

Hunchbacks are ok but the others could use some armor buffs.

Yes, this. Let's not all always look at weapon quirks but areas concerning torso twist, turning capabilities, armour buffs, JJ lift etc. Create quirks that a good pilot can take advantage of rather than a weapon quirk that is only done via the press of a button.

Anyhow, PGI has their work cut out for them now that this element has been integrated into the game. You cannot keep everybody happy...

Cheers!
Eboli

[The Black Knight]

having not used my founders mechs in a while I agree they need love. The founders cat has always been the worst of the catapults and the founders atlas, once my favorite mech, is far from competitive, but then no atlas really is anymore. And all jenners have CTs the size of Texas. the only way I over die in a jenner is a cored out ct.

[Burktross]

EgoSlayer, on 09 May 2015 - 03:35 PM, said:

There is nothing special about the founders mechs, and they shouldn't be quirked/over quirked just because they are founders mechs. They should be treated like any other - if they are 'Tier 5' they should be boosted, if they are 'Tier 1' they should be left alone.

He means boost the chassis in general-- merely refering to these chassis as founders ones.
For example, I suppose they advocate that the AS7-D and AS7-D(F) get buffs.

[Sir Wulfrick]

EgoSlayer, on 09 May 2015 - 03:35 PM, said:

There is nothing special about the founders mechs, and they shouldn't be quirked/over quirked just because they are founders mechs. They should be treated like any other - if they are 'Tier 5' they should be boosted, if they are 'Tier 1' they should be left alone.

That is precisely the problem: the power creep in the game has rendered them all nearly obsolete, particularly the poor Atlas D variant. I've said this many times: it's severely hard-point deficient for a mech of its tonnage and to keep things in the spirit of the original designs I think that the Atlas should be made what it always has been: the "tankiest" mech in Battletech. It ought to receive +15% armour quirks to all three torso sections, with a minimum 15-points on the rear torsos, an extra 10% internals on all three torsos and the arms and +25% head armour. The legs are fine as-is.

The thing doesn't have ECM, has horrifically low-slung arm weapons, a nearly-useless CT energy hard point and two ballistic hard points in the same torso section. It's also (I think) the tallest mech in the game and is relatively slow even with a gigantic 350 standard engine.

To balance out the above it should be made very, very difficult to kill.

[AlexEss]

Touch my Jenner (F) and i will show you just how unpleasant 4 ML and a set of SRM 4´s can be... =P

Used well the Jenner is still a menace. Streak boats have made life a bit less certain and there is ofc that problem with one and two-shots. But that is a light mech issue more than a Jenner issue.

I guess it could be quirked up... But there is not enough quirk budget to fix the CT issue... It is simply a thing you will have to live with. Can´t deal with it... Just get another mech.

What the Jenner have that speaks for it are very high hardpoints and it packs a fairly good punch for a mech of it´s weight.

Can´t speak for the Cat or the Atlas... They might need help.

[FupDup]

Are you asking to buff ONLY the Founders' variants, or do the C-Bill equivalents also get included?