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[Mystere]

MrMadguy, on 17 May 2015 - 02:41 AM, said:

I'm running missiles on TBR-D, but TBR-A is dedicated energy-centric variant. And I just don't see logic here: nerf energy-centric variant for using intended type of weapons on it??? Give it 6 energy hardpoints only to take 20% (40% in case of lasers) away? Lol.

You really need to show the math of how you got 40%.

[Mystere]

Kristian Radoulov, on 17 May 2015 - 12:17 PM, said:

BTW I hear aimbot is working again so YOUR crutch should be up. No need to worry about those pesky Timberwolves with their good pilots once your bot can headshot me again.

So, did you report this to PGI? Or are you just making public "allegations"?

[Lexx]

bad arcade kitty, on 17 May 2015 - 06:08 PM, said:

>Your clan ballistics are viable.
>flat out superior like other clan weapons

i don't even see a reason to speak with you anymore

I see, so you want clan ballistics that weigh less than IS ballistics, take up less space, and have longer range; without any drawbacks to balance them?

Is it not enough for your that your ER PPC, Gauss rifle, SRMs and streaks are better than their IS counterparts already? You won't be happy until all your clan equipment is better?

Edited by Lexx, 17 May 2015 - 06:21 PM.

[Mcgral18]

Lexx, on 17 May 2015 - 06:21 PM, said:

I see, so you want clan ballistics that weigh less than IS ballistics, take up less space, and have longer range; without any drawbacks to balance them?

I don't know...perhaps 4 damage shells to fly faster than 20 damage shells?

That's a reasonable expectation, which differentiates them but doesn't make them Terribad.


Which they are, unless you boat over 30 tons of them.

Sorry,
CLAMS OP PGI PLZ NERF

Edited by Mcgral18, 17 May 2015 - 06:28 PM.

[Augustus Martelus II]

aimboting...you don't need to have a Timberwolf....lol a lot were doing it before the clans mech show up

[Gyrok]

meteorol, on 17 May 2015 - 03:04 AM, said:

The ERPPC speed nerf hit it way too hard to make guys use ERPPCs in large numbers. They will probably go for gauss/2lpl to keep the penalty for using energy weapons at a minimum.

Except the LPLs will have burn time approaching a stock CERLL, which nobody uses.

Also, Quad ERLL, (which was not at all OP at this point) will now have a 1.85 burn time across the board...because a weapon that people mostly never took needed to be worse off...

Lexx, on 17 May 2015 - 06:21 PM, said:

I see, so you want clan ballistics that weigh less than IS ballistics, take up less space, and have longer range; without any drawbacks to balance them?

Is it not enough for your that your ER PPC, Gauss rifle, SRMs and streaks are better than their IS counterparts already? You won't be happy until all your clan equipment is better?

I want you to realize 5/10/20 damage to a single component, every time, without fail, is significantly better than multiple rounds at roughly the same speed spreading damage all over a mech.

[CocoaJin]

MrMadguy, on 17 May 2015 - 01:19 AM, said:

I guess, 19th May patchnotes were published by PGI so early only to find out, how many TBR-A refund requests they would collect, before reverting this stupid 40% overnerf? No. I won't request TBR-A to be refunded due to not seeing, where it's so OP to have all energy weapons nerfed by 20% and also lasers by another 20%, resulting in 40% nerf to lasers.

But this doesn't mean, I won't react anyhow at all. Prior to this patch I was going to invest money into following things:
1) Buy new Cataphract and Battlemaster variants for my collection.
2) Buy Mauler A'La Carte.
3) Buy Hellbringer A'La Carte.

No, PGI, you should know, that I decided not to do it due to TBR overnerf. I don't really see, where it's so OP to be nerfed. 6xCUAC5 DireWolf is OP, Quad Gauss DireWolf is OP, even my 2xGauss+PPC DireWolf is OP, but not TimberWolfs - may be they need slight nerf, but not 20%+20% overnerf, sorry - this is unreasonable nerf.

[Lexx]

Gyrok, on 17 May 2015 - 06:49 PM, said:

Except the LPLs will have burn time approaching a stock CERLL, which nobody uses.

Also, Quad ERLL, (which was not at all OP at this point) will now have a 1.85 burn time across the board...because a weapon that people mostly never took needed to be worse off...



I want you to realize 5/10/20 damage to a single component, every time, without fail, is significantly better than multiple rounds at roughly the same speed spreading damage all over a mech.

That's the way all autocannons should have worked from the beginning, but PGI didn't figure out how to do it until they made the clan mechs.

True, IS cannons do all their damage in one shot, but they also weigh more, take up more space, and have a shorter range. Autocannons are the epitome of the "different yet equal" concept PGI is going for.

Yet still some clanners are unhappy because their autocannons aren't better in every way, like most of their other weapons.

Edited by Lexx, 17 May 2015 - 07:02 PM.

[Gyrok]

Lexx, on 17 May 2015 - 07:01 PM, said:

That's the way all autocannons should have worked from the beginning, but PGI didn't figure out how to do it until they made the clan mechs.

True, IS cannons do all their damage in one shot, but they also weigh more, take up more space, and have a shorter range. Autocannons are the epitome of the "different yet equal" concept PGI is going for.

Yet still some clanners are unhappy because their autocannons aren't better in every way, like most of their other weapons.

I do not want better...I want competitive. IS can take a single UAC5 on a mech, and it contributes as a single weapon system. Much the same with most IS ACs (not even getting started on AC2s, those have been dead for quite some time). Clans, on the other hand, have to carry at minimum 20+ tons of ballistics to be remotely close to effective with ACs...why?

Because, regardless of the lies being spread...pinpoint front loaded damage is still king. Always will be....always was.

Why do you think PPCs got nerfed? To stop jump sniping...because JJs were not ultimately the true problem, the weapon system was the issue. Being able to spit 20-30 points of damage with no ammo, while emerging from cover and dropping back into cover almost instantly was not something easily countered. Nerfing JJs only served to make jump snipers get more creative about methods. What stopped it cold? Crappy PPCs that were no longer fast enough to hit reliably at the most favored engagement ranges...even then...some still held on trying to make it work before succumbing to the new meta.

If you are so dense to think that people want something to be OP, and that anything clan being equal would instantly be OP...then I am not sure there is even a discussion to be had beyond this post. Clans were not OP, during the tournament they won 52% of all matches. 52%. Considering that probably a good 60-70% of the most organized, best run, most skilled units in the game were playing for Clans at that time, how do you justify them only winning 52%?

If PGI gave elo data, if it was even tracked, I would be willing to bet the farm elo predictions would have predicted a significantly higher win %. How could clans be OP if they under performed against probable elo delta? I wish we could get those numbers.

[Mcgral18]

Lexx, on 17 May 2015 - 07:01 PM, said:

Yet still some clanners are unhappy because their autocannons aren't better in every way, like most of their other weapons.

Are you ever going to make a valid point, or just keep crying about your butthurt?

[Templar Dane]

bad arcade kitty, on 17 May 2015 - 06:08 PM, said:

>Your clan ballistics are viable.
>flat out superior like other clan weapons

i don't even see a reason to speak with you anymore

If by "ballistics" you mean "only the gauss rifle" then yes, agreed.

[bad arcade kitty]

if clanners only could equip that 'inferior' is ballistic

[Kristian Radoulov]

Mystere, on 17 May 2015 - 06:17 PM, said:

So, did you report this to PGI? Or are you just making public "allegations"?

Of course I reported this. I e-mailed PGI with a link to that exact video.

[Grey Ghost]

Kristian Radoulov, on 17 May 2015 - 07:26 PM, said:

Of course I reported this. I e-mailed PGI with a link to that exact video.

I gotta ask, why is there a 20 second vanity (for lack of a better description) intro on a video meant to report someone?

[FearNotDeath]

Kristian Radoulov, on 17 May 2015 - 12:17 PM, said:

Not calling you a liar or anything but I've ran into D probably hundreds of times and I don't think he aimbots.

[Aresye]

Mister D, on 17 May 2015 - 02:16 AM, said:

CRUTCH REMOVED, hahaha.

So what's the excuse going to be when we still win? Gonna cry to nerf Clan AC's?

[Kristian Radoulov]

Grey Ghost, on 17 May 2015 - 08:00 PM, said:

I gotta ask, why is there a 20 second vanity (for lack of a better description) intro on a video meant to report someone?

I pulled it off my Youtube channel; all my videos have my intro on them.