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[Verkhne]

So heres the thing: if the Stormcrow and Timberwolf have been nerfed/adjusted then how can this mech not face the same treatment?

It actually has more free tonnage than a Timberwolf and so should be able to vomit lasers even more effectively.

So PGI what is going to go on? Customers are going to be getting tired of buying yet another assortment of "pigs in pokes" , so be upfront regarding this mech please!

Balanced by 1) Huge size?
2)BAD hitboxes
3) really poor movement characteristics
4) Tbr/Scr level quirks


Granted all could be used to make a really bad mech



So what balancing mechanisms for the Cauldron Born and when will they be implemented (delivery o months later)? I think the player base has a right to know this information

[Yokaiko]

Sunshine and roses


Here we are basically killing half of your good mechs, buy four more.

I already asked for a refund.

[C E Dwyer]

Damned if they do, damned if they don't..

but yes, I think the community is going to be buying less and less, there is no point in buying something new only for it to be nerfed into the ground, looking at you victors

[Alistair Winter]

No skin off my nose, really.

People who buy mech packs based on the suspicion that they will be the new Tier 1 meta-horses get little sympathy from me. If you think that the Ebon Jaguar may not be as good as some people claim it will be, that's a bit of healthy skepticism. If you think it'll be anywhere near as bad as the Summoner, you've lost your mind.

In order for the Ebon Jaguar to actually be a bad mech, they would have to smash it to a bloody pulp with the nerf hammer, which they certainly won't do. Sadly, I imagine it will take them some time to do anything about the Ebon Jaguar. Look how long it took them to do anything about the Timber Wolf and Storm Crow. And they'll most likely let the Hellbringer dominate for a while before doing anything about that too. Which, even as someone who bought the Hellbringer pack, I consider a bad thing.

Rest assured, you will probably be able to enjoy your P2W mech for a while. Sorry, I didn't mean P2W. I meant 'early access'. It's only P2W for a while, after all.

[Green Mamba]

They want an Incentive for you to buy the New Packs now that the older ones are not quite as good anymore...common business model

[Ultimax]

Green Mamba, on 17 May 2015 - 12:49 PM, said:

They want an Incentive for you to buy the New Packs now that the older ones are not quite as good anymore...common business model

That kind of burn and churn style F2P model works when you have a constant influx of new players.

That's not what this playerbase will ever be, and if PGI chooses that direction they will eventually succumb to their own failure.

[Yokaiko]

PGI already chased off a a VERY VERY large number of players.

I can't even get friends to try it they tell me they heard the game sucks.

[Green Mamba]

Ultimatum X, on 17 May 2015 - 12:51 PM, said:

That kind of burn and churn style F2P model works when you have a constant influx of new players.

That's not what this playerbase will ever be, and if PGI chooses that direction they will eventually succumb to their own failure.

I know they have been honest about everything else up till now so maybe your right

[Levi Porphyrogenitus]

PGI takes a long time to do anything meaningful about some of the most blatant outliers and people QQ. PGI finally gets around to reining in some of the most blatant outliers and people QQ. PGI announces a couple of new mechs that will be clearly better than any of the current alternatives and people QQ, then they QQ moar when they decide suddenly that PGI will likely either a - not nerf them initially, b - not nerf them until close to the c-bill release, or c - nerf them at or near launch.

The Mad Cat and Ryoken are so far beyond all the other Clan options that it isn't even funny, and trivial nerfs to specific omnipods are not only not a bad thing, but probably the best thing that PGI could hope to do. The Loki in itself isn't an issue, either, it was the fact that the Clans had an ECM carrier in that weight bracket while the IS did not, which will be/already has been fixed now.

The Shadow Cat, Cauldron Born, and Hankyu are likely to see some minor nerfs either at launch or soon thereafter, but certainly nothing to declare that the sky is falling and the game is dead. Indeed, if they don't see some kind of negative quirk action, I fully expect them to dominate Clan drop decks until PGI gets around to fixing them. Even then, the Ryoken and Mad Cat are dominant enough that I fully expect them to persist in popularity indefinitely, unless there's another round or five of negative quirks that render them unplayable.

TLDR - QQ moar, Clan nubs. L2P and all that.

[Kassatsu]

Well, in theory they should be short and wide.

But we all know how mechs like the King Crab turned out, so that one's out the window.

Foot-level laser arms maybe? I'm thinking just some insignificant (<10% total with all of the "best" omnipods equipped) heat/duration/range/refire nerfs that will ultimately accomplish nothing.

[Brody319]

I bought Wave 3 Because of the Executioner, with full understanding that it would not be meta.
If the Ebon Jaguar is bad I'll feel a little bad because I spent money on it, but I never bought it or any wave 3 mech with the hopes of being the first "owner of the new meta".

As long as they are playable and fun I am happy with my purchase.

[Ryokens leap]

They get released as 10v12 mechs and get nerfed back to 12v12.

[Talynn DeRaa]

My concern is actually quite high now with these new nerfs introduced to the Timberwolf and the Storm Crow.

I really would like to know what PGI intends to do as far as quirks go for the Cauldron Born, as it is indeed now definitively better than the Timber Wolf, given its current quirks. But that can very rapidly change depending on what level of quirks they intend to give it as well.

I think it would be very much in PGI's best interest, if they want to keep sales going for the Wave 3 pack, to announce the quirks for the Cauldron Born.

[bad arcade kitty]

>In order for the Ebon Jaguar to actually be a bad mech, they would have to smash it to a bloody pulp with the nerf hammer, which they certainly won't do.

in ~2 months past its release or so

Brody319, on 17 May 2015 - 01:03 PM, said:

I bought Wave 3 Because of the Executioner

why not a la carte then

[Neput Z34]

Why worry? Just accept the fact that it may be "still-born" instead of Cauldron-born or become one shortly after release for C-bills.
At least you will still be able to do #STREAK_3024 and/ or dual Gauss, if they hit it with laser "nerfs"

[Brody319]

bad arcade kitty, on 17 May 2015 - 02:44 PM, said:

>In order for the Ebon Jaguar to actually be a bad mech, they would have to smash it to a bloody pulp with the nerf hammer, which they certainly won't do.

in ~2 months past its release or so



why not a la carte then

because mechs.

[bad arcade kitty]

Neput Z34, on 17 May 2015 - 03:11 PM, said:

At least you will still be able to do #STREAK_3024 and/ or dual Gauss, if they hit it with laser "nerfs"

clan streakjaguar
clan streakwolf
clan streakcro..falcon

we need a streak capable bear-named mech

[LordKnightFandragon]

Alistair Winter, on 17 May 2015 - 12:47 PM, said:

No skin off my nose, really.

People who buy mech packs based on the suspicion that they will be the new Tier 1 meta-horses get little sympathy from me. If you think that the Ebon Jaguar may not be as good as some people claim it will be, that's a bit of healthy skepticism. If you think it'll be anywhere near as bad as the Summoner, you've lost your mind.

In order for the Ebon Jaguar to actually be a bad mech, they would have to smash it to a bloody pulp with the nerf hammer, which they certainly won't do. Sadly, I imagine it will take them some time to do anything about the Ebon Jaguar. Look how long it took them to do anything about the Timber Wolf and Storm Crow. And they'll most likely let the Hellbringer dominate for a while before doing anything about that too. Which, even as someone who bought the Hellbringer pack, I consider a bad thing.

Rest assured, you will probably be able to enjoy your P2W mech for a while. Sorry, I didn't mean P2W. I meant 'early access'. It's only P2W for a while, after all.

That is just everything wrong with meta in the first place....

[Templar Dane]

Yokaiko, on 17 May 2015 - 12:53 PM, said:

PGI already chased off a a VERY VERY large number of players.

I can't even get friends to try it they tell me they heard the game sucks.

I haven't played much in months and all my friends already left.

[Ihasa]

Ryokens leap, on 17 May 2015 - 01:36 PM, said:

They get released as 10v12 mechs and get nerfed back to 12v12.

No they didn't. 10 v 12 never got past the consideration stage because it would require a total engine rewrite.