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[Jaeger Gonzo]

While I don`t have experience with that particular mech in Clans vs IS, as we mostly play 3025 tech1, I played vs CDA-3C that share similar philosophy and was doing just fine being real pain in the ass. So I suppose 3M will do just as fine.
Stock game play is really different. Maybe it will not be best mech around, but I insure you it will have its charm as I sad and some will love it.

[Ghost_19Hz]

The stock mech concept has always interested me.

Not to play, just what the reaction will be when one or two mech variants from every weight class dominate the mode. Not all trials are created equal, or with any semblance of balance in mind for MWO.

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Moldur, on 24 May 2015 - 05:34 PM, said:

Not a good idea.

IS stock builds are near unplayable. Clans aren't good either, but comparatively speaking they're far beyond IS stock builds with standard heatsinks and small engines.

As is in current PGI land. No, it would suck. More things would have to change. Hence the whole "reinventing the wheel" paragraph in saying to separate TDM thinking from CW for a moment, and come up with ideas that "could" make it work.

PGI would have to make some changes to the current game structure to accommodate, obivously. One of the big points was its easier to quirk something that's consistent than a mech that people can change all day long... so forcing a stock mech would allow PGI to balance it to be more effective. Also, there could be new opportunities to allow for mechs or mechwarriors to level up in ways that allow for better role supporting (perhaps similar to modules or even expanding on the idea so that only certain people leveled in certain roles can use specific modules?) Hell, in "The Plan" it's even eluded to that PGI had at least an idea similar to this at one point in time for the Community Warfare/Metagame Component (ref: http://www.mwomercs.com/theplan#1.18 )

I guess I was hoping to see if people could do more brainstorming on the idea rather than present the obvious "Nope, won't work as it is now."

[Jaeger Gonzo]

Ghost_19Hz, on 24 May 2015 - 06:19 PM, said:

The stock mech concept has always interested me.

Not to play, just what the reaction will be when one or two mech variants from every weight class dominate the mode. Not all trials are created equal, or with any semblance of balance in mind for MWO.

Is far more diverse and fun then you think it is.

Edited by Jaeger Gonzo, 24 May 2015 - 06:23 PM.

[Ghost_19Hz]

Jaeger Gonzo, on 24 May 2015 - 06:22 PM, said:

Is far more diverse and fun then you think it is.

Based on what?

[Jaeger Gonzo]

Ghost_19Hz, on 24 May 2015 - 06:24 PM, said:

Based on what?

Based on count less hours of gaming in stock.

[Ghost_19Hz]

Jaeger Gonzo, on 24 May 2015 - 06:25 PM, said:

Based on count less hours of gaming in stock.

I guess we'll have to take your word for it then.

[Jaeger Gonzo]

OUuu we Battletech Stock fans are actually many, just check out the longest thread ever in community events forum section.

Edited by Jaeger Gonzo, 24 May 2015 - 06:43 PM.

[Alex Morgaine]

Is like to see a 3025/lv1 customizable mode. You can tweak, but you must use lv1 tech only. True give and take, no upgrades but if you want to sacrifice something to get something else, you can... though I have a feeling most people would put 3-4 med lasers, max armor and all the single heat sinks they can throw in XD.
Grasshoppers everywhere :3

[STEF_]

I saw a lot of victor stock this weekend...
...dat juicy st...
And dat hottie stock banshee, too!
Yummy....

edit: forgot to say, Trail mechs suck.

I would love stock mech mode. But it's not for all.

Edited by Stefka Kerensky, 24 May 2015 - 09:53 PM.

[Siegegun]

This is a terrible idea.

[Alistair Winter]

I'd definitely play, if Stock Mech mode was limited to 1 planet on the CW map that was always open for attacks for all factions. Ideally, it wouldn't just be IS vs Clans, but also IS vs IS and Clans vs Clans. Maybe make it 3 different worlds then.

Also, it would have to be something like 12 vs 10 or even 12 vs 5.

[Gagis]

A. This would be boring.

B. The stock loadouts on Clan mechs are horrible compared to many IS mechs, especially if you count Champion and Hero variants.

[Mercer Skye]

There's a few things to consider;

Not every 'mech in a weight range is equal to every other 'mech in that weight range when it comes to stock, and it's blatantly obvious that when tweaked to taste, those disparities widen after customization. If they ever get out of the lazy mode tonnage balancing for CW and move to some form of battle value, starting in stocks wouldn't be so bad.

TDM vs CW needs to be truly separated. This is probably the biggest hurdle. People have spent ridiculous amounts of their money in building a collection of fully tweaked out 'mechs that they can roll around in. For CW to really be immersive, though, imo, it needs to be 'opt in.' You leave the fancy 'simulator' barn of 'mechs you use for Conquest/Assault, etc and you get X amount of cbills (honor) in order to equip a drop deck. Then it's flourish or flounder after. R&R allows you to grow your CW stable, and than, you can create a whole new leaderboard for bragging rights, at the end of a CW season, you can post the leaderboard showing who was able to accumulate the most wealth at the end of the season.

So, imho, for CW to really shine and bring some immersion, you need to bring back R & R, you need to swap from tonnage limits to Battle Value, and most importantly, you need to leave the fully decked out 'simulator' mode TDM list of 'mechs in TDM land.

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Mercer Skye, on 25 May 2015 - 03:29 AM, said:

So, imho, for CW to really shine and bring some immersion, you need to bring back R & R, you need to swap from tonnage limits to Battle Value, and most importantly, you need to leave the fully decked out 'simulator' mode TDM list of 'mechs in TDM land.

That's a very good point that I think a lot of people aren't realizing. You can have two separate game modes, Community Warfare and Team Death Match (assault, conquest, skirmish) and keep the mechs and customization abilities for TDM.

Then on the other game mode, Community Warfare, use the mechs you've bought... but there needs to be new ways of balancing, leveling, and making gameplay different from the TDM PGI experience we're used to in order to make a Stock Mech Mode work.

Like you said, leave Team Death Match a fancy simulator barn. I feel Community Warfare could do well on its own adhering more to lore than to metabuilding. I also feel that is why CW is floundering right now because it's just more of the same, with not point or purpose.

If you just allow people to bring mechs that they've purchased into CW, you can give them something new to level, grind, customize... whether it be Mechs, Mechwarriors, Modules, whatever... but keeping it STOCK allows for greater control on PGI's end to adjust and adapt mechs so that they each have a more defined purpose. PGI really needs this sort of control for balancing mechs and its variants, especially if Community Warfare is ever going to incorporate Economy, PvE... anything greater than your 12 vs. 12 matches.

Edited by 00ohDstruct, 25 May 2015 - 03:40 PM.

[Chuck Jager]

Jaeger Gonzo, on 24 May 2015 - 06:42 PM, said:

OUuu we Battletech Stock fans are actually many, just check out the longest thread ever in community events forum section.

And they have the option to play in private matches all they want, but it takes a smidgen of effort to find 2 folks with premium time and organize those willing masses.

[mechkearney]

Summon3r, on 24 May 2015 - 04:01 PM, said:

doesnt much matter in the current non-stock format anyway 400 year old IS battlemechs trump the hell out of clan omni mechs.

i endorse a stock option somewhere in the game 100%, i would play nothing else tbh.

Summon3r, on 24 May 2015 - 04:01 PM, said:

doesnt much matter in the current non-stock format anyway 400 year old IS battlemechs trump the hell out of clan omni mechs.

i endorse a stock option somewhere in the game 100%, i would play nothing else tbh.

I'm a huge fan of lore. I agree with you. It'd be nice to see something other than metas in a game for once.

And, I think the game would be more fair. Sure, it'd be harder to play as Inner Sphere, but, the clans were complete superior in every way, so, yeah, it'd be closer to lore.

But, good teamwork can beat anything. It'd just require more strategy.

[mechkearney]

Gagis, on 25 May 2015 - 02:53 AM, said:

A. This would be boring.

B. The stock loadouts on Clan mechs are horrible compared to many IS mechs, especially if you count Champion and Hero variants.

Champion mechs aren't stock.

Stock means the mech matches exactly what sarna.net says A variant runs, B variant runs, etc

[Bishop Steiner]

saKhan Ds00 Kerensky, on 24 May 2015 - 02:57 PM, said:

I know that there is stock mech mondays, but I'm not sure if it has been mentioned before in the forums, or in this way, but what I was wondering is if Community Warfare wouldn't be more enjoyable (as well as easier balanced) if only Stock Builds were allowed for CW mode?

I suggest this because I feel current Metawarrior Online playstyle doesn't allow for mech diversity or their variants to really shine.

There is a lot I imagine that could be done in a mode like this, but just thinking off the top of my head I would imagine it'd be a lot easier to balance as the variants loadouts wouldn't change. You could even limit the amount of variants that could be taken into a drop (2, 1... whatever) as to reduce meta abuse and ease quirking overbuffing/restrictions.

Now obviously there are some glaring issues when looked at on paper. But lets separate TDM from CW for a second, and try to reinvent that wheel. There is a lot of game play ideas that could be added to a Stock Mech CW to make up for the grand canyon of a technological gap that exists between the two factions, and I'm sure that could be explored (in a positive way, we're all on the same MWO team) so that we could have our TDM metagame, and we could also have our lore-like Community Warfare.

Ideas, thoughts, suggestions?
Would you give a Stock Mech version of CW a try?

while for folks like me and you, the challenge would indeed be fun, it would make CW even more of a wasteland, since it' largely only populated by Camp Tryhard theses days. Mind you, it should be, since CW was supposed to be hard mode (ignoring the fact that when pitched, MWO was supposed to be har mode).

And those guys ain't gonna play without their Meta. And speaking of MEta... all you would see are the few decently designed Stock Mechs... and most people would only be willing to play Clan. 90% of the mechs out there, or more, would still be ignored, and the the few who stayed would still be pushing Meta...just a new Meta.

Even if it were restricted to Tier 1 SHS packing IS Mechs, there is a pretty strong demarcation between the haves, and have nots.

What needs to be focused on, is the differences between upcoming Scout Mode, and full Invasion modes... and they really need those 8v8 "skirmish"modes added.

And the Dropship needs to be restricted to 12v12 Invasion/Siege type play as it makes literally no sense for smaller group modes.

[Narcissistic Martyr]

I'll do it and I'll play IS but I'm a lore *****.

Now... random 3025 Era stock mech CW? Hell the frack yes.