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[Apnu]

Ed Steele, on 24 May 2015 - 04:42 PM, said:

Ok, I bought Resistance 2. PGI, please make the Mauler more like the Zeus thank the Awesome (and please "shrink" the awesome).

Hell, shrink the Catapult. That sucker needs to go on a diet! Its fat and has turkey arms.

[Mechwarrior Buddah]

orcrist86, on 24 May 2015 - 07:53 PM, said:

Pricing is based on market capacity and what the consumer will bear.

IE

a fool and his money are soon parted

[orcrist86]

Mechwarrior Buddah, on 24 May 2015 - 08:23 PM, said:

IE

a fool and his money are soon parted

All consumers are fools if that's the way you see market based pricing. You can play MWO, or any of the World of insert game here games for similar price points. The consumer essentially chooses which features or grinds they are willing to run with. The phrase "a fool and his money" as a way of describing the economics of any game presume that the consumer is making a bad decision based on faulty or deficient understanding of what they are purchasing, or dishonesty by the seller; rather than than some objective value of whatever good or service is being exchanged. This may be the case with some individuals, as not everyone falls within 2-3 standard deviations of intelligence, but really, to assume that 95-99% of any potential transaction falls under "a fool and his money" is a naive statement, and says more about an emotional relationship to the economics of the game rather than any understanding of how prices are set by any business.

[Tesunie]

Mechwarrior Buddah, on 24 May 2015 - 07:14 PM, said:

Dunno; but when it was igp/pgi it was like sitxy five ppl in the whole company lol Prices were apparently IGP's fault (under that bus dammit) but funny how they havent changed

Think about it this way, if they suddenly dropped prices down (not debating if the original prices was IGP or PGI's, but I'm inclined to believe IGP, whom was also responsible for the gold mechs), how many people who bought stuff at the old prices would complain and "want a refund"?

I hate to say it, but I don't think they could drop the prices. Not without causing a massive torch and pitchfork convention. Oh wait. People do that for any tiny change that happens in the game. My bad.

Though, even if they are locked in with their pricing from IGP (possibly), could the increase in the number of discount sales that happen all the time now be an indication that they are trying to reduce prices? Without, actually reducing the prices?

[Novakaine]

[NocturnalBeast]

Apnu, on 24 May 2015 - 08:10 PM, said:

Hell, shrink the Catapult. That sucker needs to go on a diet! Its fat and has turkey arms.

The Catapult was fine until they put the VCRs under the launchers. I had some good stats with my A1 until they made the launchers 1/3 the size of the mech.

[NocturnalBeast]

orcrist86, on 24 May 2015 - 08:58 PM, said:

All consumers are fools if that's the way you see market based pricing. You can play MWO, or any of the World of insert game here games for similar price points. The consumer essentially chooses which features or grinds they are willing to run with. The phrase "a fool and his money" as a way of describing the economics of any game presume that the consumer is making a bad decision based on faulty or deficient understanding of what they are purchasing, or dishonesty by the seller; rather than than some objective value of whatever good or service is being exchanged. This may be the case with some individuals, as not everyone falls within 2-3 standard deviations of intelligence, but really, to assume that 95-99% of any potential transaction falls under "a fool and his money" is a naive statement, and says more about an emotional relationship to the economics of the game rather than any understanding of how prices are set by any business.

To anyone who was an adult before the 80s, spending real money on virtual goods would be an inconceivably foolish waste. But honestly, if you spend $ on virtual mechs, or $ on food, really all you are left with is the memory either way (although you can live without the virtual mechs). To the point, though, people should not be made to feel ashamed for what they spend their OWN money on (as long as no one else is involuntarily spending that money for them).

[White Bear 84]

Mechwarrior Buddah, on 24 May 2015 - 06:21 PM, said:

There were less than sixty ppl in this whole studio last time I knew. Thats not small?

Does that include the Hula Girl?

[Mechwarrior Buddah]

Tesunie, on 24 May 2015 - 09:10 PM, said:

Think about it this way, if they suddenly dropped prices down (not debating if the original prices was IGP or PGI's, but I'm inclined to believe IGP, whom was also responsible for the gold mechs), how many people who bought stuff at the old prices would complain and "want a refund"?

I hate to say it, but I don't think they could drop the prices. Not without causing a massive torch and pitchfork convention. Oh wait. People do that for any tiny change that happens in the game. My bad.

Though, even if they are locked in with their pricing from IGP (possibly), could the increase in the number of discount sales that happen all the time now be an indication that they are trying to reduce prices? Without, actually reducing the prices?

Hilarious logic

[ztac]

So why buy a package?
Firstly you have to weigh up whether or not the time saved in the game is worth it or not. You can't really buy it based on what it says it will do at point of sale as this can easily change (Clan mech buyers know this all too well, and indeed PGI have probably drastically reduced potential clan mech package sale possibility's by their incessant nerfing of Clans).

Personally I will grind the next clan wave 3 , maybe buy the resistance (Just to save time). The fact is that nerfs seem be thrown at the clans and buffs to IS fo some unknown reason , other than larger player base play IS so PGI are keeping the majority happy!

[NocturnalBeast]

ztac, on 25 May 2015 - 12:26 AM, said:

So why buy a package?
Firstly you have to weigh up whether or not the time saved in the game is worth it or not. You can't really buy it based on what it says it will do at point of sale as this can easily change (Clan mech buyers know this all too well, and indeed PGI have probably drastically reduced potential clan mech package sale possibility's by their incessant nerfing of Clans).

Personally I will grind the next clan wave 3 , maybe buy the resistance (Just to save time). The fact is that nerfs seem be thrown at the clans and buffs to IS fo some unknown reason , other than larger player base play IS so PGI are keeping the majority happy!

I bought Resistance 2 because I will get some very effective mechs and a few other freebees for less than what I would pay for Clan Wave 2. Also, I will be able to master these mechs before they are available for cbills. Finally, my hope is that the money I paid helps PGI to buy resources to make the game better for all of us.

Edited by Ed Steele, 25 May 2015 - 12:37 AM.

[CDLord HHGD]

You lost me at "hamstrung Clan mechs". Had to throw that bit in eh? All my Clan mechs that I played over the weekend still did pretty damn good.

Welcome back. The secret to life is to not take anything too seriously. Least of all yourself.

[Satan n stuff]

Ed Steele, on 24 May 2015 - 10:26 PM, said:

To anyone who was an adult before the 80s, spending real money on virtual goods would be an inconceivably foolish waste. But honestly, if you spend $ on virtual mechs, or $ on food, really all you are left with is the memory either way (although you can live without the virtual mechs). To the point, though, people should not be made to feel ashamed for what they spend their OWN money on (as long as no one else is involuntarily spending that money for them).

It's no more foolish than spending real money on any other hobby.

cdlord, on 25 May 2015 - 04:55 AM, said:

You lost me at "hamstrung Clan mechs". Had to throw that bit in eh? All my Clan mechs that I played over the weekend still did pretty damn good.

Welcome back. The secret to life is to not take anything too seriously. Least of all yourself.

Sometimes you need to seriously take yourself if no-one else is avaiable, let off some steam.

Edited by Satan n stuff, 25 May 2015 - 05:26 AM.

[Almond Brown]

Mechwarrior Buddah, on 24 May 2015 - 05:03 PM, said:

lol its been since closed beta that we've had this issue with him, you think thatll change?

Imagine that. After all your bad mouthing of PGI and Russ personally and they have had that issue with you since closed beta, you think that'll change?

Works both ways good sir, both ways...

[Tesunie]

Mechwarrior Buddah, on 24 May 2015 - 11:58 PM, said:

Hilarious logic

But you know people would, right?

ztac, on 25 May 2015 - 12:26 AM, said:

So why buy a package?
Firstly you have to weigh up whether or not the time saved in the game is worth it or not. You can't really buy it based on what it says it will do at point of sale as this can easily change (Clan mech buyers know this all too well, and indeed PGI have probably drastically reduced potential clan mech package sale possibility's by their incessant nerfing of Clans).

Personally I will grind the next clan wave 3 , maybe buy the resistance (Just to save time). The fact is that nerfs seem be thrown at the clans and buffs to IS fo some unknown reason , other than larger player base play IS so PGI are keeping the majority happy!

I personally buy mech packages not based on what I think the mechs would do, or how powerful I feel they may be. I personally buy mech packs to get the mechs I like from lore, or like the looks of, early. Typically with a bunch of goodies to go along with it as well.

Like Resistance 2 mechs, I bought up to the Crab pack, because the Crab is one of my all time favorite mechs from BT and TT. I do own a whole lance of Crabs for TT (only mechs I own for that game so far). I love them! I wouldn't mind the Mauler pack, but I don't have the funds for that right now, and I'd want the Mauler as one of my favorites from the cartoon series (right next to the Bushwacker).

[Mechwarrior Buddah]

ztac, on 25 May 2015 - 12:26 AM, said:

The fact is that nerfs seem be thrown at the clans and buffs to IS fo some unknown reason , other than larger player base play IS so PGI are keeping the majority happy!

I get the odd feeling that Paul got his Hunchback cheated from him by clans the one time he ever played TT

Quote

MWO: How much of the table-top have you played?

[PAUL] To be honest, only a few hours. It was enough to get the intricacies of the play style down while Bryan and Dave cheated me and took out my Hunchback so I rage quit and never played again. It was however an enjoyable time and we made sure everyone on the team experienced it.

btw ppl should really read these theyre hilarious now

http://mwomercs.com/...-developer-qa-1

http://mwomercs.com/...ley-bryan-ekman

Edited by Mechwarrior Buddah, 25 May 2015 - 04:21 PM.

[Mechwarrior Buddah]

Ed Steele, on 24 May 2015 - 04:30 PM, said:

P.S. - I have deleted my Twitter account, because nothing that I say is really that important anyway,

The only thing I used that account for was interacting with the devs and since they banned me not even that lol

Almond Brown, on 25 May 2015 - 05:48 AM, said:

Imagine that. After all your bad mouthing of PGI and Russ personally and they have had that issue with you since closed beta, you think that'll change?

Works both ways good sir, both ways...

Um if Im so horrible why can I still post O.o

[NocturnalBeast]

Satan n stuff, on 25 May 2015 - 05:25 AM, said:

It's no more foolish than spending real money on any other hobby.


Sometimes you need to seriously take yourself if no-one else is avaiable, let off some steam.

I was not quite an adult in the 80s btw, but I know any adult at that time would not have spent their money on virtual items.

[Brody319]

"Apology to PGI"
what

[Satan n stuff]

Ed Steele, on 26 May 2015 - 12:24 AM, said:

I was not quite an adult in the 80s btw, but I know any adult at that time would not have spent their money on virtual items.

Because there weren't any. Believe me, if there were people would have bought them. This is the decade that spawned most of our current tabletop game franchises, if people were willing to buy models, rulebooks, TROs, codices, whatever, they'd have been willing to buy virtual items.